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Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 08:38

Forecast seems good. Anyone any thoughts as to whether there’s liable to be any material advantage in either setting a target or chasing one?

I suspect that, pitch and overhead conditions wise, the answer will be ‘no.’

However, they say that one should always put the pressure on the stronger element of a team’s game. For us, our strongest element is, surely, our fielding? For that reason, I’d prefer to set a target, should we get the chance.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Phantom (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 09:39

[quote Phrench Phil][quote Bagpuss]Another abiding memory for me from 2001 is Afridi c Turner b Johnson.
A propos 'Turner', I read recently that there is a Rob Turner playing for Weston-Super-Mare.
Does anybody on this thread know if it is the same Rob Turner?[/quote]

Yes that his him

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 10:06

Weston seems to have been a veritable who's who of Somerset cricketers... Peter Trego, coach Sam Trego, Charl Willoughby for a few seasons, Rob Turner...

As for the final, I'll be watching it on TV with my dad. I toyed with taking him but he's 84 and has mobility issues, takes water tablets so needs the toilet a lot! Etc. Plus, I find actually watching finals in the flesh impossibly tense... I went to Som vs Sussex in the Gillette Cup in 1978 (lost), Som v Glos (lost), Som v Yorks (lost), Som v Leics (WIN) and Som v Warwick in the Clydesdale 40 over cup a few years ago. Yep, lost, after a totally unnecessary run-out (Hildreth?) after which they fell apart.

This year I'll be sorting wine and snacks for a good day's entertainment!

Good luck to those going.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 10:07

That was a terrific catch by Rob Turner.

Afridi was the man who could have taken the match away from us very quickly & I don't think I have ever seen a higher skier at any game, ever.

RT keeping his nerve to catch it was a massive moment for us.

Grizzzly

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 10:31

I watched a recording of it when I got home. I timed the flight of the ball from the moment Afridi hit it until the completed catch by Rob Turner to be 8 seconds.

It doesn't sound long, but it is an eternity if you are waiting underneath.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 11:11

I was thinking of finding the video - many thanks. And eight seconds is a huge amount of time to be waiting...

It was great to see the back of Afridi before he got going, He bowled well if I remember correctly, with our batsmen not picking up his googly at all - did he bowl three?

Lovely day out though, the sixes by Parsons, the Turner catch, the bowling of Boswell; I felt guilty about cheering the wides when I read an article a few years ago about Boswell, who never played top-level cricket again after that torrid experience.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 12:46

Yes, sfwitgers.... we had a bad start, but there was then a long stand between Compton and Hildreth, broken only by a daft run out. Then Imran Tahir took the rest apart. But I still think we’d have won had we picked the best team for the conditions, bowling wise, rather than taking the old ‘We have to play the team that got us to the final,’ stance. Perhaps we overcompensated for the prior Graham Rose / Stefan Jones business?

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 13:55

I took my kids to an event at the Milkennium stsdium in Cardiff where an England side including the likes of Nasser and Mark Saggers took on an Asia side full of Indian and Pakistani stars to promote short form cricket pre T20.

There were different scores for hitting the ball into different seating tiers. 4 to the rope, 6 over the rope, 8 1st tier 10 2nd and 12 for hitting the roof.

The only player who got a 12 was Afridi Much to the joy of the predominently Asian audience.



(Sm72)

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 14:47

At the Millennium it should be 30+ for hitting the roof, and I reckon that Afridi would be one of the few in with a chance.

I remember press coverage of games like that. It's a pity that British football/rugby pitches are just too small for similar games. The London Olympic stadium, with its athletics track dimensions would have been/would be ideal (didn't they try to host cricket but were turned down?).

(Completely off topic: after my reference to Half Man, Half Biscuit here recently, I went to see Robert Forster of the Go-Betweens last week and I'm seeing The Chameleons tonight. The cricket link? These are performers from the time when Somerset were one-day kings in the early 1980s, and I was young, healthy, full of life, vim and vigour... and if we win on Saturday I will be again. Briefly...!

My 84-year-old dad wants to live to Somerset win the CC, and if they do, it'll probably give him a heart attack. But I doubt he'd want a better way to go. This is partly flippant/partly serious.)



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Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 15:53

I was surprised, when T20 was first devised, that it didn’t represent a more radical departure from the game as we know it.

Such departures could have included zoned boundaries like that above, or a fixed number of balls per partnership with no dismissals that remove a batsman from the arena... with things done on a ‘single wicket,’ type basis where a dismissal incurs penalty runs to baseball type arrangements where not everybody has to bat, bowl and field etc.

I was surprised that these sort of things didn’t come in to start with (given that T20 was supposed to bring in new audiences and that the new format was, initially, not taken very seriously and and I’m even more surprised - given their hatred of traditional cricket - that the Egotistical Cricket Board aren’t intent on far more radical departures from the existing T20 format, in their cursed ‘Hundred.’

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 16:09

There was a competitor for the T20 concept which was being pushed by an ANZAC (kiwi I think) cricketer of the time with West Country links which had a pilot game at Taunton.

It was much more 'basebally' but the marketing pitch was a bit 'arts and crafts' and it never came to anything.



(Sm72)

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 16:53

Hmmm... interesting.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 16:58

That was Martin Crowe.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 18:23

Quote:
Grockle
I took my kids to an event at the Milkennium stsdium in Cardiff where an England side including the likes of Nasser and Mark Saggers took on an Asia side full of Indian and Pakistani stars to promote short form cricket pre T20.

I went to that, I remember Afridi hitting the roof. It was called "Power Cricket", was it two games of 15-overs-a-side?

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 19:26

In a nicely balanced interview on cricinfo, Hampshire`s Kyle Abbott believes his side`s main edge will come from familiarity with Lord`s from playing in last year`s final, while Somerset will be out of their comfort zone. Quite a bold statement really, as Hants will be without their most experienced batsman James Vince and spin bowler Liam Dawson.

Interesting that Abbott seems in a way to regret giving up his South African Test career to become a Kolpak with Hampshire. He puts his decision down to his country`s selection policy, but says six month later he might have taken a different view.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 19:42

Marcus's guide:

[www.thecricketer.com]

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 20:46

Well you certainly can't fault Marcus for positivity.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 20:51

"In a nicely balanced interview on cricinfo, Hampshire`s Kyle Abbott believes his side`s main edge will come from familiarity with Lord`s from playing in last year`s final, while Somerset will be out of their comfort zone. Quite a bold statement really, as Hants will be without their most experienced batsman James Vince and spin bowler Liam Dawson."

Bold... and, surely, completely confounded by the recent form in this series between Somerset and Hants:

1. They almost always beat us in 50 over games at Taunton.

2. We usually beat them in 50 over games at Hedge End.


Apart from that, it's hardly as though our guys have never played at Lord's.

Of the starting XI, I'd think the only ones that *might* not have played at Lord's would be George Bartlett and Tom Banton, if he plays. I'm not 100% certain that Craig Overton has done, mind. I've seen all of our other batsmen and bowlers (bar Azhar who has obviously played there for Pak) play at Lord's, but I can't swear that I've seen Craig bowl there.

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 21:23

So if you go by Marcus's team assumption, and all our players hit their average score we should set Hampshire approximately 370. Will take that !!!

Re: The final 50 over Final at Lords
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 May, 2019 21:40

Cove bowled at Lords in CC1 2016

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