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Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:10

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That's the kind of news that could spell a permanent end to his Midlesex career, as I'm fairly sure this is the final year of his current contract.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: BREARS (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:34

Lets hope he never plays for us again.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:36

I had a horrible feeling you'd post something like that.

No wonder he blocked you on twitter!

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: BREARS (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:41

Stuart Law knows or is and isnt a player, sussed out that chancer pretty quickly

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:42

A nice guy but we have younger players who need a chance. Compton and Franklin probably should have moved on in 2017. So this looks better organised for all parties. OP Rayner good luck for the future your day at the Oval and 15 wickets will be long remembered and stay in Mx records.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: BREARS (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 16:48

We are quick to use the loan system to loan players out but nothing ever comes the other way...squad down to bare bones after this and Jimmys injury.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 18:29

Had a look at the career averages of some recently retired England spinners.

Graeme Swann 739 wickets at 32.12
Robert Croft 1175 wickets at 35,08
Monty Panesar 709 wickets at 31.22

Ollie Rayner 303 wickets at 33.39

So- he takes his wickets at a comparable average to three England standard spinners. Fewer wickets yes, because he isn't an automatic first pick, there are fewer games anyway, and he's played fewer matches, but there is actually nothing wrong with his career average at all, just that some people have got it in to their head they don't think he is good enough.


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Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 18:33

Quote:
chunkyinargyll
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That's the kind of news that could spell a permanent end to his Midlesex career, as I'm fairly sure this is the final year of his current contract.

He is in the last year chunky. A loan makes good sense for him. Nathan Sowter needs game time. Leg spin ain't an easy skill to master..

It also means two youngsters in the seconds get more game time at their level.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: dingy bags (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 18:47

BREARS Ollie was initially a loanee with us. Perhaps we will bring one in, who knows?

Would anyone have fancied Dom Bess, whom Somerset have loaned to the Yorkies?

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 18:55

And, seeing as he's going to Kent, I checked James Treadwell's career.

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426 wickets at 36.24

And he had a full length career at Kent.

I suppose the problem is the one or two people on his case don't realise that chipping away with 2 wickets here and there is still getting the job done (5 man attack, take 2 wickets each) so maybe there weren't any eye catching 6-30 hauls to impress, but, as I say, nothing wrong with his career stats at all.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 19:00

Dingy- I wondered about Dom Bess. Clearly a decent batsman, capable of batting at 7.

We do need to be careful about his seemingly impressive bowling average, as it is Ciderabad enhanced.

Don't forget Ravi Patel took 12 wickets in a match at Ciderabad, so maybe Bess's bowling average flatters him a bit.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 19:01

The main reason why Middlesex have let Ollie Rayner go to Kent on loan is so we can give Nathan Sowter a run of matches in our County Championship side, as we seem to have finally come to the decision that Sowter should now be our number one spinner.

Until now, the club’s thinking seemed to be muddled when it came to who is our number one spinner in the Championship, as some of our supporters felt that Sowter should have been rewarded for taking 25 Royal London Cup wickets by playing in our first Championship match after the RLC, which was v Leicestershire at Lord’s, while some of our supporters felt there was at least some merit in the idea. However, Rayner played in that match and actually did OK, taking four first innings wickets, although hopes that he could do something similar in the second innings to spin us to victory were unfounded. Despite Rayner doing OK v Leics, Sowter then played in the win v Worcestershire at New Road, and although he only ended up with one wicket, I felt it was worth keeping him in the side considering the conditions there clearly favoured the seamers, and of course Sowter contributed by helping us to a batting point, breaking a 42-run 10th wicket partnership, and building pressure for our seamers to exploit by bowling at a good economy. Despite all that, Sowter was not kept in the side for the match v Sussex at Lord’s, when Rayner bowled 29 wicketless overs, although at least he did what he could with the bat in the second innings, albeit in a vain attempt to avoid defeat. At least we are clear now who our main spinner is.

The fact the last week saw Rayner fail to take any wickets v Sussex, and Sowter spin our 2nd XI to victory by taking 5-74 v Essex 2nd XI at Bishop’s Stortford, meant that I felt that Sowter would have had a good chance of playing v Leicestershire at Grace Road next week even had Rayner not gone out on loan.

It is interesting that Angus Fraser said that the circumstances in which we could recall Rayner include injuries or international call-ups. What he didn’t mention was the potential for us to come across a pitch in which we feel the need to select two specialist spinners, so I don’t know if the fact Gus didn’t mention that suggests that we would prefer to give a debut to Thilan Walallawita or Luke Hollman than to recall Rayner, or if we would be happy to select only Sowter and get lots of overs out of the likes of Dawid Malan, Max Holden, Sam Robson and Paul Stirling.

[edited as I initially forgot to add the word 'wicket' when writing "25 Royal London Cup wickets"]



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Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: freddie tittlemouse (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 19:35

Slightly perplexed at the logic of this.
No I don't believe Rayner is the solution to our spin requirements based on the last 2 and a half years, but Sowter is still rather an unknown quantity in the 4 day game. Presumably we have a recall option if Sowter does himself a mischief.
Maybe we have somebody lined up as a loan or an overseas player.
I don't see any need for vindictive posts about players, p[erhaps they should be removed.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 20:07

Fred. The point here is the club for once is looking to the future. Previous policy has been to retain players at their career end thereby blocking opportunity to the up and coming. Other counties see this and tap them up and they leave. Many recent examples.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 22:52

Or, even more curiously, retain them and take a policy decision not to play them.

I find it off from Kent's angle as Ollie being around is surely blocking opportunity for the up and coming Adam Riley, Qayyum or any other young spinners they have. Unless they are about to launch a set of Canteribad wickets.

We are a funny lot though. We (including your truly) moan about not getting anyone in as a new signing, on loan or an overseas player, all of whom would block opportunities but when it is our own experienced players blocking opportunities that is also moanable!

Even when Ollie isn't taking wickets, he is usually economical. That, i think, it the uncertainty about a new leggie in the Championship. What makes them good in the one day stuff may make them vulnerable in the CC.

I think the abusive comments near the top of the thread are a disgrace and it is a real shame that they are made under a username which relate back to our greatest ever captain.


Adelaide

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 22:57

One fairly recent departure Adam Rossington has been made Northants captain for the remainder of the season following Alex Wakely's resignation. Big job keeping wicket and batting at six in the order plus running the team.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2019 23:06

Adelaide. We are into so far a third poor season. Changes are likely and may not be the last. I would regard most posts as positive rather than moanable. A third division two season looks likely. Currently, in the unlikelijood that we were promoted. Our prospects of staying without a rebuild are very slim.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2019 07:45

There still doesn't seem to be any sign of us giving Thilan Walallawita or Luke Hollman a pro contract, so I think we still need a second spinner (even if Nathan Sowter does make the grade). Yes, we have a load of people who can bowl a few overs of spin here and there, but it is highly probable Paul Stirlng will leave at the end of the season, as he will be forced to choose between us, or international cricket with Ireland, and I assume he'll choose the latter.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2019 07:56

I don't want my pro Ollie Rayner comments to be taken as meaning I'm anti Nathan Sowter.

He deserves a chance, but as Adelaide said, it is one thing to take wickets in white ball cricket, when a lot of the time the batsman has to take chances against good balls, rather than merely keep them out.

If Sowter doesn't work out (don't get me wrong- I hope he does) then we've probably succeeded in letting Rayner fall in to the arms of another.

Re: Ollie Rayner on loan to Kent for rest of season
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2019 09:17

Rayner is 33, Sowter 26. Not quite as wider gap as Higgins and Frankie but has similarities with a likely similar end result if Mx not careful.. Which would mean Sowter ending up in the arms of another joining the large army of ex MX already there. Rayner's highlight was in 2013 since when in recent times he has been employed getting the runrate outa the red. A job other counties seem not to have a problem with.

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