The AGM


By Grockle et al
January 20 2018

On Monday Mr Cooper presides over his first Annual General Meeting at the County Ground.  Mr Nash takes the top table for the last time and Andy Hurry is back for another but in a different position.  What are we expecting?

The AGM has always been the point in time for me where one season ends and another is pushed kicking and screaming into a cold January.  After all the regional get togethers this is the final autopsy on what came before and the first confirmation of things we have heard are to come.

Guy Lavender is no more so Lee Cooper will be the man in the driving seat for 2018.  Andy Nash will step down as Chair and Charles Clark will take his place. The cricket questions will be in the hands of our new DoC, new title old face, Andy Hurry and the new Head Coach Jason Kerr may also be there.  He's probably done a few but not in such a high profile position as this.  The club skipper  (red and longer white ball format) Tom Abell may also be present and even the T20 skipper Lewis Gregory.

This is the time to discuss things that have happened and get a few answers/pointers to what is going to happen or might happen in the next couple of months as appetisers to the start of the season towards the end of April.

We know that Cameron Bancroft is here as the long term international (doing quite well in the BBL at the moment) but we do not have much idea about who might be joining him for the T20.  One would assume that there is one to come, Bancroft's T20 form suggests he will play all three formats. 

It will be interesting to hear the assessments of what happened last year.  I personally hope we do not wash dirty laundry in front of a crowd who ought to be looking forward and with a number of the people involved not present and unable to give their side of stories.  The 2017 season was not a great success but we came out of it on the right side and we have people who have a lot to prove in their own right so it would be nice to see them look forward rather than dwell in the past.

Questions that might come up and are relevant are such things as the nature of the pitches and the plan for next year. We've heard some things but not the justifications for them and that would be good to know.

There might be something about the spring prep and especially the Irish game which is an exciting and novel addition which might bring more than the thermal crowd out to an early game. 

Are there plans for other additions to the squad?  I assume there will be no surprise news about Sam Northeast but you never know.

Who are the prospects coming through we should be excited to see on the pitch possibly joining the likes of Eddie Byrom, George Bartlett, Tom Banton and Dom Bess?  Fin Trenouth and Tom Lammonby may be ready but are there bowlers?

I'm sure the prices may come up but I'm not sure what else there is to say about that after the meeting at the end of the season.

If you go, please let us know what your impressions are of the proceedings and the characters.  There are a number who used to look forward to these sessions and have not been able to get to them for a number of years (me included for the last 7 years).

We shall wait and see what transpires........... interesting times

 

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The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 16:01

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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 17:08

That's a fair summary as to what may or may not be discussed.

Usually at our AGM's there is less talk on cricket than on other issues, and I suspect that this year will be no different in view of the hike in membership prices. Some people still have it very much on their own private agendas.

I have just discovered the following letter which appeared in the 'Somerset County Gazette' recently.

Somerset CCC's AGM is 'one of most crucial in club's history'

[www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk]

Mr Amphlett does appear to have a point on the subject of debating and voting upon membership fees but, even though I have criticised the administration and management of the club at times and will do so again if IMO the need should arise, I consider that an attack on the integrity of both Lee Cooper and Charles Clark is hardly warranted.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 17:58

There may be discussion about the three division CC idea as well. I'm not sure what the club's stance would be on that.

They seemed quite interested when it suggested that Devon and Cornwall might be included though it might stop our stream of young hopefuls to Taunton.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 20:51

Thanks Grockle. As for bowlers, I can't recall hearing much about Ben Green lately.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 21:44

The recent Almanac says that Green was injured for much of 2017.
No indication of his possible fitness for the new season.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 09:47

Green is batting in grade cricket and going quite well - no news on his bowling I think he was starting again January. Worryingly lewis hadn’t really started running much so him being fit to bowl at start of year must be doubtful . IMO we need another bowler esp if cove is used for England . As far as I’m aware Bancroft isn’t signed for all 3 formats either as he’s going home part way through year and then coming back for last few cc games. That could change though but for me would be lazy just to give him the extra gig - I’d be looking thoroughly at other options before doing that .

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 15:00

Well in that case Ron they are going to need extra. We'll have to see what the prognosis is. Do any of these guys ever play a full season?



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 21:48

They haven’t really although lewis did well to get as far as he did as apparently he had been carrying his injury for sometime. Hopefully the surgery will allow him to be pain free and get back to his old self

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2018 02:53

Well the last big fix caused him to have to remodel his action and that took a while to get him back on track. Hope this one is a long term fix and we get the same player but pain and worry free. It's no fun being a human bowling machine!!



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2018 22:20

A few snippets from the AGM. Not comprehensive. And where my memory has erred I am sure others will fill the gaps and correct the errors.

• Over 250 present according to the Chair. People required to sign in.
• 3rd highest spender on the cricket squad at £1.65m (Surrey top with £2.4m).
• 8 players from the men’s teams in various England squads this winter.
• 3 fixtures in 2019 World Cup at Taunton.
• Installation of floodlights will commence Sept 2018.
• Strongest finances of any County (Test Grounds tend to lose money if they do not have a Test).
• The Club does not outsource any if its operations.
• David Gabbitas awarded a County Cap for 25 years Committee service.
• Andy Hurry said the Club is “a long way down the process” of signing at T20 overseas player. Criteria include availability for “all or most” of the competition.
• Andy Hurry said the Club has sufficient playing resources to withstand some England calls/injuries but maintains ongoing due diligence on players who might be available to be signed should the need arise.
• Andy Hurry said there is a HUGE focus on carrying forward the intensity of the end of last season into the start of 2018. Players left in no doubt that not performing as had been the case in the first half of last season is totally unacceptable.
• Andy Nash said the Committee supported the new T20 competition because it considered the competition to be in the wider interests of the game.
• Lee Cooper re-iterated the rationale behind the new membership prices: If members just bought the games they attended last year 90% would be better off. Less than 200 Platinum members attended all 7 T20s. Of those that did most attended no CC matches. Nearly 500 only watched one T20. Sold Out T20s were only at about 75% capacity due to non-attendances.
• SCCC is a members club. If members want to influence matters there is a route through the Area Committee system.
• The Club has debts of £2.8m down from £3.3m two years ago. The remainder being paid off at the rate of £0.25m p.a. Warwickshire have debt of £28m. Yorkshire £24m.
• Presentation to Andy Nash.

Others will be able to add (and please put me right if I misheard or forgot things). My memory in need of an external hard drive.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2018 23:55

Im in a very small club then!
As i was 1 of the 164 of 4200 platinum members who DID attend all 7 T20s (even the rained off Glos one) yet i also attended at least 2 days every championship match.

I cant question Mr Coopers facts but am very surprised in the fact there are so few who seem to watch all 3 forms regularly as he states is the case.
Based on watching behaviour 90% he says will now be paying less to watch their cricket under new structure.

Im in the 10% i guess paying £45 more for a worse T20 seat & no choice per match where i sit......

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 01:08

I didn't think at the time, but it would be interesting to know how many attended 6 T20s last year. There were probably quite a few who chose not to go to the Gloucestershire match as the forecast was so bad (and iirc it was scheduled to be on Sky)

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 03:27

I love phrases like 'players were left in no doubt'.... did some of them initially have doubts about the level of performance required and thought that last year's first half of the season was OK batting wise and had to be put right by Andy? Love it.....



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 03:30

I have 6 on England sides.... who were the other 2 on duty? Craig, Jack, Dom, Tom, Tom and Fin and...

And bowling wise we have;

Craig (possible England)
Jamie (Injury worry - hope not but...)
Tim
Lewis (Less of an injury worry but...)
Pete (effective still?)
Josh (effective 4 dayer?)
Meerkat (effective 4 dayer?)
RvdM
Jack
Dom
Max (T20 only still?)

I can see we have spin and slow stuff but enough resources for a 4 day campaign overall if we are moving from pitches taking spin? Only if there are no major unexpected problems I would suggest - and when you haven't prepared that is when they come more times than not.

Who is coming through to pick up the slack? It is good for Josh and Paul but they have to come to the party when required. Do we have enough pace variation?

I personally hope someone becomes available while we are keeping tabs on things, especially if he happens to be a leftie.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 04:09

With the greatest of respect for the opinion. When the club is voting on changes to the game then their brief is NOT to vote in the '...wider interests of the game' unless they have checked that the membership agree with their view of those wider interests.

If we are a members' club as stated then the club's responsibility is to represent the views of the members. It was a difficult position to be in but specifically consulting the members beforehand and asking their actual opinion would have helped. I wasn't there but both the Q&A sessions seemed not to have that kind of membership check but seemed rather to be selling exercises on the ECB's urban plan

I don't think the Chair's vote made any difference in the overall picture because they had already been shafted by the ECB media machine earlier but a principle is a principle I suppose and it is either accepted in all situations or not at all and the governance changed. It can't simply be used when convenient and ignored when difficult. My personal opinion is that we should have abstained in the vote but I'm not presently a member so what do I know.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 08:17

I wonder how many posters attend games across all formats or just one? Last season I went to championship games and the 50 overs competition. Perhaps someone can start a poll if it interests them as well.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 09:40

My flabber was quite ghasted when I heard that not only are we installing state-of-the-art LED floodlights, BUT we're going for a colour option too???? Just how wide the spectrum will be wasn't discussed but I've been thinking this through.
If we could go to infra-red, we could sort out all players' (including opposition's) bad backs. This might interfere with everyone's TV remote controls within a mile radius though.
If we get a colour match for a particular team's kit, will they become invisible?
Would green light make the pitch invisible?
Ultra-Violet, X-rays, Gamma rays, microwaves?
This is exciting stuff.
I remember a Red Dwarf episode where the crew were advised to go from a yellow to a red-alert status, until Crichton pointed out that it meant changing the bulb!

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 10:18

I may be wrong, Grockle, but what has been written above seems to imply that the squad may have been given a post-event reprimand for having somewhat coasted (rather than playing with intensity) in the first half of last season, rather than simply being told that their batting wasn’t up to snuff.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 11:56

I just find the phrase funny.... I'm sure they were and if they hadn't been we'd all be asking why not.

I just imagine them all sitting there in the first big 'let'g get them boys' captain's speech putting their hands up and saying "... sorry I'm a little unclear. When you say 110% how much effort do you actually mean? Can we have some clarification please?"



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 18:37

Perhaps Mr Hurry had this sort of statement in mind, which came from Mr Maynard after that shocking capitulation to Yorkshire back in June:

“It’s obviously a very quiet dressing room at the moment and when we get the chance we will talk through it and see where we could have done a little bit better. To be fair Ryan Sidebottom bowled an impressive spell and got the old ball reversing and didn’t give us anything.

“It’s easy to look back and say we could have done this or we could have done that but we are a young side and a young batting group so to get so close was a great effort from them. The top order has been a problem for us over the year. I can’t put my finger on why that’s the case but we don’t seem to be able to get to 50 or 60 without losing a wicket at this stage.

“We’ve got a lot of hard work to do obviously. It would have been brilliant to have got the first win and Adam Hose had a good debut. We are not far away from securing a couple of results and we know what it’s like if you get on a run because you start winning those tight games. So we just have to keep on working hard.”
[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

Yes, I know it was a statement for public consumption, but if the attitude in the the dressing room after a series of such debacles was really that complacent, then those players really did need to have it made clear to them that the apparent culture of taking the positives and ignoring the results wasn't going to be tolerated under the new management. And that 2018 wasn't going to be another year of treating the first half of the season as a relaxed practice run for the second half.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2018 20:41

Reading an awful lot into this chaps.

Hurry could not have been clearer that he demands a better start this year to last and many before.
We think we have got stronger pre season fixtures.
We have a big tent due mid Feb to get grass training in earlier than past years too.

I personally am not sure this slow start thing can be compared year on year.
Everything changes. Weather opposition home or away games pitches players player availability management.
I see no way we can link the start in say 2010 to last year and say "we always start slowly"

If Bancroft fails in early games it will have nothing to do with fact team started slowly in 2017.
So much changes year on year things just arent comparable.

Same goes for not having beaten xxxxx county for xxx years.
Once that stat goes over 3 or 4 years in all likelihood the players involved are largely different so this bogey side thing is meaningless.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 04:15

You certainly are.... I was simply commenting on the English phraseology rather than the context in which it was used in the AGM.

Of course they know what they are supposed to do

Of course the professional cricketer is rarely complacent about a very poor run of form

Of course they all see that things have to get better

Is was simply that the phrase suggests that people have to be told that as if they are unaware of it (note to self don't forget the 'TiC' at the end in future)



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 11:45

Tractor: I trust your flabber is feeling a litte less ghasted now, especially after Bristol City's very creditable performance yesterday evening.

One thing the new lights will do is detect which players - only opposition ones of course - have taken illicit substances.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 12:06

Oh dear. What have I done. The phrase was mine. I knew not what I said. I don't and didn't recall when I typed my 'report' precisely what words Andy Hurry used. However as WSM fan says there was no doubting their meaning. A rocket had been delivered. Now there is another phrase to conjure with. However I would say I imagine a rocket delivered by Andy Hurry leaves no-one in any doubt what he means or what is expected!

As per Grockle's instruction I would tic but my emoticons aren't working. Now there is a title for a song.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 15:24

Farmer, I should not worry at all, I went to the meeting but did not post anything of the AGM on here as so often use of words are not an exact transcript of what was said, and then get misconstrued, when all we are merely trying to do is to give those members who were unable to attend, a gist of the meetings and it’s Q & A.



As Lee Cooper mentioned at the AGM, regarding the Times interview he did last week, some of his comments were reported wrongly.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 15:34

"Andy Hurry said the Club has sufficient playing resources to withstand some England calls/injuries but maintains ongoing due diligence on players who might be available to be signed should the need arise."

A worrying trait IMO. Past Directors of Cricket (Maynard and Nosworthy) have just sailed along in the belief that we have a strong enough squad to compete at all levels.

Andy Hurry may send out messages that he is glad to be back at his "home" club and what a wonderful club it is blah, blah, blah, but does he sense that we have a mixture of older players who must surely be at the end of the line (Trescothick and Trego immediately come to mind) and young and as yet untried youth who may or may not make the cut.

We need to start the season with 7 or 8 fast, fast - medium or medium - fast bowlers who could be entrusted to step into the First team and do their bit in the CC. We have a couple (and I don't care how fast they are) who are injury prone and will as sure as eggs are eggs miss out again in 2018. We certainly do not have 7 or 8 from whom we could select and trust to do a good job.

I don't have many concerns over the slow bowling or wicket keeping roles, but one must always be on the look out for back up players.

Abell was found out last year and other batters may well be undone this year. How much will Trescothick play? The batting too must be strengthened, but as usual we will coast into the start of a new season on a wing and a prayer. Leave everything to the last minute cos it will be alright approach.

We weren't relegated last year, but we came within a whisker so it should be another boot up the backside for those who manage our cricket.

The club meanders on in its all too cosy way. Do we advertise senior posts or is it all done on the old boy network? Let us hope that Andy Hurry isn't too close to the players in that they can get away with under-performing.

Until then I reserve judgement.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 18:50

Well you suggested that Jack would be 'found out' last year so we can only hope the same happens this year to Tom and he isn't and has a good season

We weren't relegated the year before either when it was suggested as well so I suppose we have to hope your predictions go the way they usually do overall.

In case you missed it and come back surprised that I agree with you about our bowling. I've already pointed out the same concerns earlier in this thread.

Someone suggested we wouldn't use Bancroft in the T20... was there talk of more than one T20 signing or was the discussion singular?



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 19:52

Singular as I heard it.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 21:12

We have signed Cameron for 4 day & 50 overs as our overseas.
We are definitely after 2 separate T20 overseas players.
Hurry said we are in advanced discussions with one and an announcement would be made through our normal media sources once confirmed.
It was then a knock on effect as to who we then targeted as the 2nd overseas.
At £40 per ticket we need to offer more than 1 half crocked allrounder that we got last year.....

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 02:04

Very true.

Though on further reflection I'm not sure why there is resistance to Cameron playing in a format he seems to like and perform in. No one is worried about Lewis playing all formats or Steve Davis or others.

I remember someone saying that he will be going home for something during the season and I don't know when that is but if he is here and the choice was between him and some half here half motivated name I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have a player who has got used to his teammates and has already been part of their unit for a while.

That is the way it used to be boys and girls - you got one and he was there for everything.

Anyway the economic policies of the club say we don't need name attractions, we have geared up to sell out fully this time before the competition even starts haven't we?



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 08:32

The clubs announcement at the time on their website.

“Cameron will be available, subject to permission from Cricket Australia, for the start of the 2018 Specsavers County Championship season, all of the Royal London One-Day Cup fixtures plus the six remaining Championship matches that take place after the T20 Blast group stages. [www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 09:30

Bancroft currently keeping for Perth in the BBL...

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 11:16

Ahhh Thanks Mike. So he isn't here for the T20. Explains and clarifies. This site is great for lazy supporters.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 11:24

Bancroft (batting at 3) gone for 49 off 39, missed a googly. Good innings.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 11:32

Yep.... maybe a shame he isn't here - could be his forte



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 12:13

That article doesn’t state t20 is an option but all of that could change I guess over time with everyone’s agreement . We may have other t20 targets though !!

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 13:42

Today's Somerset County Gazette states that they were barred from attending Monday's AGM.

What in the name of sanity does the club have to hide, or hope to gain from this action?

A local hack has always been present in the past.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 14:03

They don't like these things getting out of the CA Pavilion Tom (except by people talking to their mates once out). Last year it was an obsession with websites getting info now its the press.

I have no idea what it is they wish to keep to themselves but the best way to get it out there is to ban the local press.



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Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 15:40

That question was asked at the AGM, Lee Cooper said he told Spencer Bishop the Gazette could attend the meeting.

If they are still saying they couldn't attend the meeting something has gone wrong.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 17:13

Has anyone ever heard of the press being allowed to attend any AGM, whether it be a cricket club, charity, business or whatever? Members and shareholders are only those officially allowed to attend and, unless what is discussed there is leaked (evidently a perfectly respectable happening these days) then proceedings are private to members all of whom are able to read the minutes in due course. Why think that it is some sort of conspiracy to not allow the media to attend? Where would it stop?

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 18:26

Here here.
An agm is for the members of the club.
The press get press conferences when club wants to tell them something.
No reason any press or non members should be allowed into here confidential club business.

Re: The AGM for 2017
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 18:57

Do you sign some kind of confidentiality agreement then wsm? Do you have secret handshakes as well?

Why would it ever be a closed meeting? It's not like you are discussing world secrets. Anyway many break the confidentiality almost immediately they leave the conclave.

Its never been an issue on either side in my experience. I've been to a number as a member and as an interested observer without any issue. The only thing you respect as an observer is that you don't involve yourself in the procedures or votes.

When a considerable number of members can't get there it was always seen as a service to the absentees by the bosses and I appreciated that. It hasn't quite been that way recently I heard but I would be surprised if that was the case with the local press. But I can't say from personal experience since 2011.



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