Afghan and England flagging at the end


Whare's Your Taliban?
By Panther Like
March 13 2015

This is the battle of the World Cup minnows. Pantherlike describes a memorable occasion at SCG more for the romantic thought of seeing Afghanistan playing close to the "highest" level. There is a lot of detail on the atmosphere created, a search for autographs and we can also read something about the cricket.

I'd purchased the tickets to come and see England play Afghanistan after I'd come down crook and missed the Australia v England fixture at the SCG in January. Didn't want to miss out on seeing Hi-Fi and Moggy donning the 3 Lions caps again. In doing so, I had that sneaking feeling that the match would be awfully lopsided as England would be no doubt preparing themselves for the finals....no matter, no one would be there and it was a day at the cricket!  Well, an overcast and at times wet day greeted us here in sunny Sydney, more akin to high summer in Manchester.  

I thought, as England won the toss and sent the Afghanis in to bat in an obvious ploy to knock 'em over, get the runs and rack off home. It had been a miserable World Cup for England after what had been a promising tri-series. Indeed the fortunes of India and England couldn't be more divergent since that mini-series in January. Arriving in time for the anthems I was struck by the beauty and sense of drama contained in the Afghan anthem and the pleasingly short yet poignant rendition of God Save The Queen. With the formalities done, England took to the field. I quickly noticed that HiFi was in hi-viz meaning that I wasn't going to see him bowl, a pity.

  

Hi-Viz the Waiter!                                                                                    God Save Our Team

But allow me stop here in what is becoming a rather hum drum missive about a game between one of the major forces in the ICC and an associate taking its first steps in the big world of serious cricket in a game that held little to no significance. Indeed, Anderson looked disinterested, nay dismayed, that things had not worked out; despite bowling at a decent clip and moving the ball about. Too much for the Afghan openers to handle. Yet the game was very significant. Please forgive the hyperbole, but today was one of cricket's finest triumphs. Afghanistan were playing cricket against England. At the SCG. The Afghan fans greeted every run with the enthusiasm that displayed their delight that their otherwise war torn country had a team competing in a sport at its highest level. Well okay, it wasn't a test match, but hopefully you get my drift. Sitting there watching flags being waved I thought that it wasn't that this was a sight I thought I'd never see, because I'd have need to possess the kind of imagination that could have conceived the notion that I'd ever get to see Afghan flags being waved at a cricket match in Australia. I've long had the romantic notion of a Germany or USA taking up cricket to a serious level, but Afghanistan? I thought of those fans and what some had likely had to go through to leave their country and restart life down under. And now here they were with the delirium and delight of being able to cheer their national team in a cricket match against the country who founded the game. Yes, they'd played the Aussies, Kiwis and the Windies, but England is always the big one. I recalled an article I had read years ago in Time magazine which had reported that cricket was one of the few games the Taliban allowed due to its 'modest attire'. Funny how things can turn out. Yes, today had nothing to do with results. It had everything to do with how this game can bring peoples and cultures together; bonded by their love of cricket.

Good to see

Whilst musing with my mate Dev on the bigger picture, the Afghani's were making hard work of it. Anderson and Broad followed by Jordan and Bopara had them pinned at 4-39. Then the rain came. We decided to take shelter in the empty row of seats in front of the Afghanistan team whilst the rain tried its best to stop. I struck up a conversation with their team manager, a very pleasant chap who told me where the members of the squad play their cricket. As it turns out he mentioned the MCC first, I recall there was one Afghan who played at Lord's a few years back.... otherwise it was either the BPL in Bangladesh or club cricket in Dubai. Fair enough. With the rain soon stopped, the covers came off and we got some more cricket. There'd clearly been some talk of run rate lifting indoors, and the batsmen came out showing more run scoring intent, however as is often the case with minnows this also led to a wickets falling. Moggy took a good catch at point diving forward, Bopara took a fantastic outfield catch off Tredwell etc. then the rain came again. The heavier rain effectively put an end to proceedings, England's campaign somewhat symbolically being washed away in front of our eyes. But I have to hand it to them. The English players may have been dispirited and disappointed, but were more than willing to sign autographs and mingle with the crowd. Moin Ali was leaning over the rail of the pavilion to reach the kids, much to the chagrin of the security (typical!), Finny was brilliant: after getting a drink for Anderson, he hopped over the pavilion fence for photos, autographs and meet and greets with all and sundry. Even Moggy stepped out to sign autographs. Yours truly managed to get his new 2015 MCCC abroad members card signed by all three; well Moin was meant to just pass it to Finny, but signed it first!

A Root that needs developing

 

Further play didn't look possible for some 90 minutes, repeated umpire inspections would only bring more rain, however things did improve and play was able to restart just before 9pm. Messrs Duckworth and Lewis decreed that England would need 101 to get off 25. Not a difficult assignment and Hales and Bell had 40 on the board in the 7th over. They moved things on to 83 in the 14th before Hales became the subject of more Afghani flag waving when he feathered one through to the keeper off Hassan. Young James Taylor came in at 3 and he and Bell finished off the remaining 20 or so runs securing the win. For what it was worth, Bell got 50. At least we got to see the fantastic sight of the mulleted Shapoor doing his fine Shoaib Akhtar impersonation, pushing off the fence to deliver his mid-130kms thunderbolts. And he's the complete fast bowler: the glare and spray he gave Bell after being flicked over slip for 4 was priceless! Could easily build a cult following. The Afghan skipper Nabi showed that he's a useful spinner as well as a good middle order bat; he and Shenwari were the stand out players in the Cup for the new kids on the block. The future will continue to be bright for Afghanistan, provided they get regular exposure to international cricket. Perhaps a few might find themselves in England in the near future?

So where did it all go wrong for England? Allow me to indulge myself and I completely understand if you stop reading here! If you made it this far: thanks!! I've watched a fair bit of this a World Cup and I've been very aware that the game is changing in front of my eyes. The 360deg scoring arcs of several key batsmen, the fitness of the players (Sangakkara is 37 years old and made 4 hundreds in a row, Maxwell and AB just don't seem to tire and get out like batsmen used to), teams have bowlers who are quick (Starc and Milne come to mind) or have tight spinners and medium pacers with variation. Apart from fitness and solid reputations and a balanced side, England is none of above. The batting can be stodgy and predictable, Buttler was lively at times but too often would come in too late, Ali didn't fire, Morgan looked weighed down by captaincy. Mind you he was striking the ball well and getting out. Bell is class but just couldn't find the higher standards set by other similar veteran batsmen in the comp. Not sure if Tredwell is the best spin option? And as much as it pains you all, you missed KP. Was it the coaching and management? Maybe. Saker has been there a while now, but the slip in English fortunes seems to have coincided with Moores's return and Ramps coming in as batting coach. Just not sure Ramps is the right coaching option right now. I've heard that the approach is too stats based. Perhaps. But there's a distinct lack of onfield acumen to be able to change the plan, do something different. I noticed this too in July during the Lord's test against India. England had the chance to put India in the vice have on the first day, and didn't. Whatever the reasons, Paul Downton et al will have to locate those core weaknesses soon and turn things around before the Ashes. The future starts now. Build around Taylor, Buttler, Hales, Morgan (whether captain or not) and Jordan. There, that's enough opining into a smart phone. Hard to get all of one's thoughts out on this little keyboard! The telly had an interesting comparison between Finn and Morkel's bowling actions. The angle Steve finds himself in is acute when compared to Morkel who stands up straighter. This has concerned me. He's the same height as Joel Garner yet makes little use of that height. No doubt Gus is on to it. Anyway they showed this on the scoreboard along with a sheepish looking Finny with all the sudden attention.

Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: Middlesex till we die (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 14:46

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Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 14:56

Great report, Pantherlike.

Pardon my ignorance, but I've always assumed you are an australian living in Oz, or are are you english, and exciled in Oz?

I'm assuming the average aussie can't stop laughing over England's failure to even make the quarter-finals.

Re the idea of Germany and cricket. I remember Captain Mainwaring in Dad's Army saying, 'If the germans played cricket, we wouldn't be at war'.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 16:06

I switched on at 6:00am to find Sky showing New Zealand v Bangladesh, so I initially thought they had deemed England v Afghanistan to only be worthy for the red button. I then pressed the red button, and what appeared? New Zealand v Bangladesh! I then thought they had given up on England's campaign! It was only when I switched on Sky Sports News that I realised the players were off for one of the match's many rain stoppages. When I got to work, someone saw me checking the score on Cricinfo and said he had a similar thought process after being unable to find the match on Sky during the stoppages.

It is great that England managed to deny Scotland and Afghanistan the satisfaction of finishing above them in their group, although they will be very disappointed to have fallen three points shy of qualification.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 16:16

Fact remains Ireland have beaten two test playing nations (west Indies and Zimbabwe) and England didn't beat any.

I think 'great' and 'England' should go on the oxymoron thread.

And 'disappointed' is a bit of an understatement.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: Fozzie (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 18:01

I read last week Ireland have in fact had 5 World Cup victories against Test-playing nations since their first World Cup in 1996, whereas England have only managed 4 in the same period.

Very interesting thoughts, Pantherlike. On the question of whether England's coaching is too stats-oriented, Peter Moore's immediate response to the Bangladesh defeat - "we'll have to look at the data" - has been jumped on by many of the English journalists in Australia.

There was an excellent BBC documentary from 4 or 5 years ago about the rise of the Afghan team, called Out of the Ashes. It covered their rise up the Associate rankings and bid to qualify for the last World Cup.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: BarmierKev (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 18:28

A massive thanks to Pantherlike for this detailed report sent to me close after close of play.

Interesting to see if difference in bowling actions between Finn and Morkel is taken into account by those who can genuinely help him.

Back to the Global picture. I have a feel here and from other reports how the Associate nations add so much value to this competition. It is sad to think that the next World Cup looks like is going to be restricted to 10 nations. I agree this competition drags on too long. This can be overcome by having 16 nations 4 groups of 4, with 1/4's for the top 2. Otherwise, it looks likes we won't see the likes of Afghanistan , Scotland or Ireland etc. performing again at the highest level.

Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 19:46

A format of four groups each containing four teams is something which a lot of people would agree with considering it would result in a shorter tournament and would mean that the amount of Associate nations playing would go in an upwards direction rather than the current downwards direction. However, one of the main reasons why such a format is seen as inferior to the present one is that it carries the risk of major nations failing to qualify for the latter stages, which would be seen as a disaster financially. A format of four groups of four featured in the 2007 World Cup (albeit being followed by a Super 8 stage, which made for a long tournament), whereupon India and Pakistan both got off to a slow start and failed to make it out of the opening round. Contrastingly, the present format made it seemingly easier for the major nations to reach the last eight, as all they needed to do was beat the so-called minor teams, and it afforded teams the chance to pick up some form as the tournament goes on. Of course, this format still allowed England to go out early and for Ireland to beat West Indies.

Personally, I actually like tournaments which go on for some time, although I seem to be in a minority. However, I disagree with ICC's decision to reduce the amount of teams for the 2019 World Cup and their efforts to make the line-up of the 2015 quarter-finalists predictable.

The 2019 tournament in England is likely to be contested by England, West Indies, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia, New Zealand and two teams from a qualifying tournament which will take place in Bangladesh. I imagine that Bangladesh will be strong favourites to be one of those qualifiers considering they are always improving and will be on home soil, while the other qualifier could be any of a number of teams, such as Ireland, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, UAE, Scotland, Netherlands, Kenya etc.

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Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: pantherlike (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2015 21:02

Thanks to those who made it through the write-up. There were more paragraph breaks when I sent it, Kev tells me the transfer to the site does away with much of the formatting. Will blame that as well on my poor grammar!


Chunky: I'm a born and bred Victorian! Lived in England for a few years there and joined the Middle during that time. Living in Sydney niw, which to a Victorian is much the same as an Aussie in Blighty!



One thing I noticed during the game was no Barmy Army, at all! Whilst The Afghan supporters were out in force, it was a quiet crowd in relation English support. Just polite applause from the locals really.



The stats reference is what I have heard and if it's true needs to be flushed as a method straight away. It's too constraining and the talent needs to unfettered come the 35 over mark these days!

Wished HiFi all the best for the CC season; hope we win the thing in 2015!

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: BarmierKev (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2015 15:42

Pantherlike has sent me a picture today of National Anthems that I have added to the report.

I have to say there was a spell this week where I was in why do I bother with MTWD mode. This report answered my question.

From our teams perspective, the report has left me thinking, like last year tour of Oz, how Hi Viz I mean Fi is going to come out of this on return home.

Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: pantherlike (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2015 21:54

A low ebb in the 'why bother' stakes can only mean it's still winter over there? You'll be raring to go cum April!?

Seriously though BK, this website is invaluable in staying close to the action for the likes of the all too distant Middx follower such as myself. I enjoy the daily riposte of the posters and then there's the thoroughness of JW's research which provides the blanket coverage one needs to know that is going on!

Long may it continue!

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: BeefyRoberts (IP Logged)
Date: 15/03/2015 00:10

This is a great read Pantherlike,and shows with the Afghan support why the tournament needs these countries playing in it.
So annoying when you see players like Finny carrying the drinks,and those who should be dropped still playing.
Enjoy the rest of the world cup Paul.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: pantherlike (IP Logged)
Date: 15/03/2015 06:01

Cheers Beefy!

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
Date: 15/03/2015 09:38

Despite Ireland having beaten West Indies earlier on this tournament, it looks like West Indies will be qualifying at Ireland's expense, which may have not happened there been a format of four groups of four and and any group stage defeats being difficult to recover from. However, as I have said, ICC had a preference for the the quarter-finals containing most of the major nations, and it looks like they will get their way.

Re: Afghan and England flagging at the end
Posted by: pantherlike (IP Logged)
Date: 16/03/2015 12:21

In the end Ireland were stymied by Pakistan losing to the Windies earlier in the tournament.

That and the fact that the rain in Napier was a day late!!

It was a tough break for them, but they'll need to develop a stronger bowling contingent to match their batting over the next four years.

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