Notts Quarter


By Grockle et al
June 13 2017

After the debacle that is Somerset's Championship season continues with a defeat to Yorkshire we move seamlessly into a 50 over quarter final (mostly because it's the only day SKY haven't got a World Championship game to cover) and we welcome Notts to a pretty sparse Taunton (under 4000 tickets sold as of yesterday I heard) at 10:30 on a Tuesday. Who will play?  Who won't play?  The sun is out and we start at 11:00  

v NOTTINGHAMSHIRE RLODC Quarter Final @ Taunton Tuesday June 13 2017

Scorecard

Commentary

Somerset have won the toss and will bowl.

The side is:

Allenby, Myburgh, Davies S, Trego, Elgar, Hose, Gregory, van der Merwe, Overton C, Overton J, Groenewald

Views on bowling first?  The wicket is pretty green and Stuart Broad and James Pattinson both play as far as we are aware.  The wicket is in the middle of the ground and we need to come out firing.  No Max Waller today and Josh Davey misses out from the scorecard side being replaced by Jamie Overton.   Given our capitulation yesterday this is presently our best chance of a Final appearance.  There is little belief that our T20 campaign will have improved drastically even with Corey Anderson in the ranks.

Just before the start we have a pretty full Trescothick Stand, the Somerset stand is about 40% as is the Botham.  The Gimblett is full of the old retainers and the Ondaatje is running at roughly half full.  The large green monstrosity where the scoreboard used to be is not being used today  and even the CA is only running at about half capacity.  It may have something to do with some media outlets advertising this game as starting at 2pm but who knows.

Lumb and Wessels start for Notts and Craig opens from the Pavilion End for us. A flashed 4 down the legside is not really the way to start but that is what we get.  5 off the first after a loose start.  Overton J  then starts at the River End.  He starts with a four to the Somerset as well, though Lumb got a little more on this loosener outside off stump.  He continues with the first six off a short and wide one. Another long hop ball 4 also goes to the Ondaatje for six as Lumb pulls him followed by a boundary. 20 off his first over and a long day ahead for Mr Overton J.  Notts are 25 for 0 after 2

Craig gets hold of the game again and only goes for 1 after the third and Lewis takes the 4th but does little better as he goes for 14 mostly from the bat of Lumb who loooks in good form and has moved on to 35 out of 41 in no time at all.  Neither batsmen look in too much trouble on this strip from the Somerset openers and it is likely that the visitors will pass 50 wiith only 5 overs down.  However, Cove put his back into it but a Wessels 'ramp' on the last ball moves Notts to 51 off 5.

Somerset pull it back to some extent during the second 5 and with Myburgh taking the 9th over we finish the first 10 with Notts on 79.  RvdM is on for the 11th as we try to press with slow men at both ends.  If that is what we hope to do one has to wonder why Max isn't in the side.  However it works as Lumb on 47 goes to Roelof at 82 caught in the covers by Jamie Overton who then comes on at the River to the new man Patel.

RvdM changes ends for the 14th and Wessels hoists him into the Botham to bring up the Notts 100 with a six. He then goes on to 50 and takes another six off Tim Groenewald introduced at the Pavilion for the 15th.  By the end of the over Notts are 121 for 1 with Wessels on 60 and Patel on 10. Allenby is moviing his bowlers about in the hope of unsettling this partnership and brings Jamie back on at the River for the 16th.

At the start of the 18th and with Wessels on 47 we get a break as he drives one straight to Adam Hose and he goes to Tim G and it is 147 for 2.  Taylor is the next man in and he helps Patel to take his side to 150 and beyond off the second ball of the 20th with another boundary. 6 sixes and 16 fours in the first 20 overs.  Not a great statistic for the home side.

The 200 arrives from a Craig Overton over (27th) as Taylor takes a single off the 4th ball and it is 204 for 2 at the end of the over after Taylor tries to pull Cove and top edges over Davies for 4.

Samit goes to 50 (53 balls 3 fours 2 sixes) at 216 for 2 with a ramped six to the Botham off Cove.  On this pitch 400 is on as Myburgh is back on for the 30th froom the River and Notts reach 234 for 2 with 20 to go.  Double the score and 450+ is definitely on.

Taylor takes his score past 50 in 37 balls with 5 fours and 3 sixes and Notts pass 250 in the 32nd over as Jim continues with Johann while not bowling himself.  Confusing.  But it is soon no longer a problem as he put himself on for the 33rd.  He doesn't get the breakthrough.  That comes from Tim at the end of the 35th when Patel lofts the ball to Craig at 280 for 3 and trudges off with 66. Mullaney replaces him and is immediately looking to push the score on by smacking Jim to the CA for four.

The 300 seems to come at pace with more than 10 overs left of the innings as Mullaney hits a six off Allenby to bring it up.  The highest run chase here seems to be 383 and it is suggested this will be more as Notts have 12.5 overs to add to their present 306.

Brendan Taylor finally gets to 100 off 69 balls with 11 fours and 3 sixes with the first ball of the 41st from Jove from the Pavilion.  At 331 for 3 with 10 overs to go oone would expect the Outlaws to pass 450 and give us a mountain of batting proportions to climb in the second half of this game.  It will be a significant 50 over game if we get anywhere near it.

The 350 arrives off RvdM in the 42nd and Mullaney goes for 37 at 355 halfway through the 43rd over. Taylor is let off on 124 when he is dropped and he takes 10 off his next two balls in punishment. by the end of the 46th Notts are at 386 for 4 with 24 balls to go. 

Notts reach 400 off a high full toss no ball at the end of the 47th.  Johann Myburgh seems to have gone off with some kind of break in his left hand after trying to stoop a boundary ball that hit him... he may not bat to make things even worse.  It may also solve the issue of who will replace Dean Elgar.

Meanwhile Notts have now made the highest List A score at Tauunton passing the Scotland game in 2009.  Taylor reaches 150 and then goes at 154 (his highest List A score) with 410 on the board being caught by Elgar in the deep.  Root then goes the next ball to Lewis for 9 off 14 balls and it is 410 for 6 with 13 balls to go.  Taylor was dropped off his 85th ball and then scored 29 runs off the next 12 he faced before dying.  An excellent contribution to his side's total and enough to send them to the semis instead of us one would imagine.

There is a clatter of wickets as 4 go down for less than 15 between 410 and 425 but the last partnership manage to bat out the overs and give us 430 to win.  What an afternoon we have in store.

The Reply

The good news is that Johann Myburgh is OK to bat.  He comes out with Jim to start the innings and hits 14 in boundaries off the first over and while his skipper takes it a little slower, he takes on the Notts bowlers with a passion and connects most of the time.  By the end of the 4th over Somerset have reached 45 with Mybs on 39 with 9 fours off his first 15 balls.  He has taken the game to Fletcher and Gurney and have come out on top with 50 off 4.3 (27 balls) quicker than the Notts flyer.

The problem is that it has to keep going for another 46 overs for them to be anywhere near this total.  At 5 overs it is 55 for 0 with JM on 44 off 17 balls. But a middle stump yorker from Gurney stops the onslaught and it is 55 for 1 as Steve Davies replaces Johann.

But he's not there long as he tries to ramp Fletcher and puts the ball down Gurney's throat with the score on 60 for 2 after 6.4.  Dean Elgar arrives with a ton of Somerset hope on his shoulders.  The big partnership needs to be here because at the moment of his arrival we are still ahead in terms of runs of where Notts were at 65 for 2 after 7. 

At 7.5 overs down, the young bowler shows what is needed at pace.  If you bowl fullish and straight you may get a decent result.  Gurney does so, Allenby plays away from his body a little, possibly gets a small edge and is skittled fo 18 and we are 67 for 3.  Pete Trego  arrives at the crease with something to prove but he'll have to do an awful lot of 'something' to help get us out of this mess.  We are 300 annd a lot behind with ony 7 wickets remaining.  Not many are hopeful of a semi final at Chelmsford at this moment in time.

Elgar is dropped by Pattinson on 2 with Somerset on 77 for 3 in the 10th - we would love to see him pay for that.  At 10 overs gone we are 79 for 3 and on comes Stuart Broad for the first time in the game. At the end of his first we have moved on by 10 as Pete picks up his sixth ball and puts it into the not yet used 'Scoreboard' Stand.

There is an indication that Harry Gurney has probably come to the end of his first spell as his pace has dropped considerably as we move to 97 after 12 so Stuart and Pattinson may be in tandem from here on in and the game may be decided there. A good fast spell from young Gurney.

Petenearly gives it away swatting at a fast one from Broad while a more sedate stroke brings up three figures at the end of the 13th.  330 to go in 240 balls.

James Pattinson does come on from the Pavilion End for the 14th at 104 for 3.  Read drops Elgar again as he doesn't hold a sharply moving chance at full stretch.  It shaped in then moved away taking the leading edge. We need to make them pay for these errors if we are to get anywhere near this total.  After 15 we are still in the hunt but 123 for 3 is only just holding on.  Broad thinks he has Pete. He just stands there and then when Stuart asks he rubs his shoulder as he was hurried by a steep bouncer.  He probably didn't touch it but a bit of sportsmanship just top make sure!!

Dean  makes them pay a little as he reaches his sixth half century in 7 innings off the last ball of Pattinson in the 18th over.  Mullaney came on at the River for the 17th (he went fo 16) and with the third ball of the 19th he sees Somerset pass 150 with a massive car park six from Elgar.

Samit takes the 20th and Peter takes him to the cleanres with a huge Ondaatje six to bring up the 100 partnership followd by a four to take 17 off the over.  172 for 3 at 20

Pete starts to push the score as he goes for Patel in the 22nd putting his 2nd ball into the crowd and following up with a boundary off the next.  He is 47 off 38 and it's quite a good idea to get him off strike.  Read brings Pattinson back for the 23rd, chhasnging ends to the River and Trigger quietly takes the single to move him to 50 off 41 (4 fours and 2 sixes) at 194.  Dean then takes Somerset over 200 with a four just over Taylor's head to the Scoreboard Stand boundary.  He then asks for his third bat of this innings - does he break them regularly?

In the 24th over Trego takes on Patel and smashes him for three balls with two massive sixes and a tracer bullet four.  However, the old saying "...don't bat a bowler out of the game, milk him for what you can get" seems to have passed Pete by and he tries oncce too often and is caught in the deep for 66 off 46 balls with 5 fours and 4 sixes.  That could be the turning point as Adam Hose strides out to keep this momentum going if he can.  It was good while it lasted but PT ought to have made it last a good few balls more to be honest.

At the end of the 25th Somerset have 225 for 4 where Notts had 195 but they had 2 exttra wickets.  Dean Elgar has passed 500 runs for the season.  Broad changes ends and returns from the Pavilion.  The commentator then does for Dean.  Just after Anthony Gibson predicts we are going to take this one, Stuart Brooad produces a full one that gets past the South African and takes his leg stump 246 for 5 with our main man gone for 97.  They send in RvdM before Lewis at the start of the 29th.  I'm no longer hopeful.......

However, at the end of the 30th Adam is there on 24 off 20 and RvdM  has 3 off 5.  We need 166 from 20 overs with 5 wickets in hand.  I did not think we would still be in this one at 30 overs.  Winning it would still require the second biggest run chase in cricket history and the biggest in the UK.  If we do this then play THIS batting line-up in EVERY game we play from now until the end of September!!

As we move towards 300, Read brings Pattinson back on at the Pavilion and Roelof takes a shine to him taking 12 off him with two sixes into the Ondaatje car park to take Somerset past 300.  After 35 overs the home side needs 118 as we have reached 312 for 6.  It is definitely still on and this has been a greatly entertaining game of cricket if you like batting. 

Harry Gurney returns for the 36th from the Pavilion and after Lewis takes him for a legside 4 he bowls 2 more wides before he is spanked back over his head for another boundary.  325 at the end of the over.  105 off 14 needed.

The pressure will now start to grow as the two Somerset men take the required runs target below 100.  By the end of the 38th over the score is 335 for 7 but we will have to do it without RvdM who does not pick Gurney's slower ball and is throuugh the sweep shot too quickly managing to play on to his stumps for 43.  Cove is the next man in and digs out a full yorker to survive the over.

95 needed from 72 balls with three wickets left. 

90 off 66 balls same wickets.  Stuart Broad back on at the Pavilion.

Lewisskies one after swinging at 2 and is caught in the deep at 342 for 8.  The Overton's are in together.

They take a risky single to bring up the end of the 40th

87 off 60 balls. Patel from the River.  Broady drops Cove at 349.  The ball came slower than he expected and he simply parried it as he fell backwards.  349 for 8 at 41

81 off 54 Broad from the Pavilion.  350 up off the first ball. Jove runs a risky one and dives in.  Teapots all over the place from Notts but the umpire says he is in. 258 for 8 after 42

72 off 48 with Patel still on at the River end.  364 for 6 after 43

66 off 42 and Pattinson is on at the Pavilion with Cove facing. He nicks a wide long hop to Read and goes for a run a ball 16.  364 for 9 with Tim G. Digs out a yorker and then nearly falls over as Pattinson tries to run him out on the return. Jove tries a reverse sweep and is nearly caught  on the leg side.  Ball did not carry. 367 for 9.

63 off 36 with Patel bowling out at the River.  Jove hits him for 6 on his 4th ball. 377/9 after 45

53 from 30.  Jove sixes Pattinson into the car park ball 2. 47 needed. 385 for 9

45 from 24. Fletcher back on at the River for the 47th. boundary off the last ball after a ludicrous decision not to give a wide.

35 from 18. Gurney from the Pavilion. A good two from the third ball to keep Jove on strike. Six off the fourth takes us over 400 to 404.

Mix up in the running and Jove is run out going back.  Lose by 24 runs.

Jove40 off 26 and Tim G 8 off 12.  Personally that was a great effortbut I can't help thinking that Pete should have held fire and milked Patel for another couple of overs.  We did scare the living daylights out of them though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 10:37

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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 11:07

2 a ball off the first two overs with the Overtons bowling in tandem. Long day ahead ladies and gents.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 11:51

Anybody else watching live streaming?

Good view in line with wicket.

BBC commentary is behind the pictures.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:06

Just about to ask what people thought of it Rob

Live feed



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:08

You don't see the whole thing though as Wessels puts one between the huge temporary stand and the Caddyshack off TG. It would have gone over the Caddy had it been slightly more towards the Pavilion end of the ground. 132 for 1 in the 17th

Because you only see the wicket you sometimes have to assume what has happened to the ball. I think that is why some of these live feed sites give commentary because once it is off the wicket it's anyone's guess where the ball has gone.

Wessels takes another six off RvdM to go to 75 off 58



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:16

I'm too depressed viz CC form to get too worked up over this comp but it does rather sound, already, as though we need to hope that this is the flattest of all flat tracks because it sounds as though we may end up having to chase an enormous total. At least we'll do so without a full line-up of demoralised CC batsmen..

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:24

As we move past 20 overs there have been 21 boundaries up to now and 6 over them were big ones. If we project ahead it's going to be well over 300 at present rates and a 400 total is definitely on at the moment unless things start happening in the wickets column quite soon.

Lumb looked in great form and Wessels had turned on the afterburners just before we got him. Patel and Taylor are being a little more circumspect but there is a long way to go and if they both get in.....



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:28

It seems that the reason we bowled first is because we like and are confident of chasing any total here. Not sure where that confidence comes from given our present batting across the two competitions.

However, if the county have that kind of confidence in the batsmen out there today one asks the question.... why aren't some of them helping out with the CC1 problem?

Dom Bess has just been called up for the Lions



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 12:54

Splendid news for young Dominic, and well deserved. Looking at the composition of the squad (6 batsmen including 1 WK, five quicks and two spinners), presumably they'll play all the batsmen and either 4+1 or 3+2.
Not at all sorry to see we are not playing in the next round of Championship matches so will not be missing both our boys at once.
Reverting to the proper subject of the thread, I'm not at the match but looking at the scorecard it looks as if a bit of Jim taking the pace off the ball might have been a good idea by now? If not somewhat sooner?

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 13:01

We are wondering where the wily Aussie is.... Johann Myburgh is presently being given that role and if Notts double their score at 30 overs we will be chasing 468..... now there would be a story.

Jim is probably saving himself for the 150 he'll need to score to help lead his side home. It is as flat as a pancake....well until the Notts boys take the field of course.

Taylor has just gone to a 38 ball 50 as they move towards 250 with 19 to go. 245 for 2



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 13:04

Conventional wisdom is that if a side has wickets in hand you can double the score at 30 overs to get a rough idea of the likely final total. Chasing 500 could be a challenge. (Apologies to Grockle for overlap).



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 13:20

Extremely well deserved for Dom, well done sir!

However the horrendous irony of this awful CC season is that our batsmen will probably get us relegated and all five of our talented young bowlers shall probably then attract CC1 offers..After all, all five are / have been Lions players so why wouldn't CC1 teams be interested?

Yes, I know they're all under contract, but....



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 13:29

For what it's worth, I agree with Jim - unless track is abnormally dry we should always field first at Taunton. That doesn't mean that I expect to be able to chase down 430 vs Broad, Pattinson and Gurney (good white ball bowler). I know this is flat but one wonders whether the Herculean efforts by our bowlers in trying to carry a side Saná batsmen in the CC has finally taken its toll?

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 14:05

Presently Taylor and Root are swinging at everything as they move into the 390s. Not going to be chasing 500 but a good portion of 450 could be the ask. 400 for 4 with a boundary off a high full toss no ball with a free hit to come - about sums it up at the end of the 47th



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 14:05

Quote:
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a side Saná batsmen

Clearly Oman's successes have engendered an enthusiasm for cricket in Yemen as well...

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 15:28

Mybs 44 off 19 but has now lost his middle stump.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 16:22

I wonder if anybody has ever had a worse 50 over campaign - for any County, than poor old Steve Davies has had for us this season?

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 16:54

Steve played a naïve shot to be honest. Got to get those ramps much finer or hit them much harder.

Trigger has just hit Patel for two massive Ondaatje sixes in two balls. Both cleared the roof though one was slightly to the left and may have landed in the garden of the house there.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 16:57

But then got greedy and was caught on the fourth attempt. Don't hit a bowler out of the game. Take the runs and then stop so you can take the runs again next over. Not sensible with 210 still needed I'm afraid.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 16:58

Well done, Peter Trego - given us a slither of a chance and great entertainment, even on the live stream.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 17:33

It was glorious...just not for long enough. He could have milked Patel for a couple more overs I think.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 17:57

If we had three more wkts in hand then this would probably be a breeze from here!

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 17:59

It's less than double figures needed with 12.4 overs to go



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 18:52

Fair play to Jamie - good effort.

Pattinson's bowling presumably the difference on the flattest of flat tracks.

Needed more from Jim and SD if we were going to chase down such a humongous total, really.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: WS55 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 19:14

I don't believe it guys.

I've just posted a Yorkshire view of yesterday's game -- full of sympathy and some sorrow -- to your Yorkshire Test thread.

And now I see you've scored over 400 at 8+ an over, and still lost!


Two days running! There is no justice in the world!

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 20:05

How right you are sir. Much more disappointed in yesterday than today.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 20:21

Not so much Pattinson and Broad. We coped with the Notts bowling but we gave them too many at the start with too much short and wide. Our bowling openers are better than that. Would Max have made a difference with the ball? Could we have trusted him with the bat? Swings and roundabouts i suppose.

For some this is the end of the trophy run for this season. Unless of course you are ultra optimistic about a change in our CC1 form. The T20 is not your baby and that is all we now have until August. How does that make sense?



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 20:52

Monday - gutted
Tuesday - gutted

I saw a few players shortly after the game, i promise you they care.
We may have lost both days but we have a fantastic group of players, many homegrown who bleed maroon for our club. It hurts them more than any of us.
We have so much talent in that dressing room. It WILL come good.....

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 21:10

Well there's no reason to suppose that a full-strength SCCC XI Will be up to much in T20 so, personally, I think we need to take the chance to introduce the odd young batsmen who may need to play in CC1 in the second half of the season. And that applies doubly now that Myburgh will (presumably) now be unable to replace Elgar due to his hand injury:

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Cleavo (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 21:45

AG Myburgh didn't look in too much discomfort when he batted this afternoon. Do we know the extent of the injury?

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 22:11

What is of some concern are the reports of a relative low attendance. We used to fill the ground for such games. Are prices too high?

Nice to see us making a realistic challenge, but why no Max, who has the potential to make a huge difference.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 22:38

Group games were 'free' to members.
Today was £15/17/20 for most.
I suggest many non diehards would have been put off as a result of having to pay on top.of their membership.
It was also a Tuesday which isnt great for workers to get holiday.
Also a huge amount of members guest passes used at the group games which definitely swelled those game by many hundred if not thousand.....

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 23:13

Tuesday was not the choice of the club of course and it was a very short selling window.

Not sure Max would have made a 'huge' difference. He might have been a better option than Mybs with the ball but not Tim with the bat.

Didn't see the ECB pushing the 50 over programme this year. They don't particularly want it - even though England are favourites for the Champions Trophy and they aren't interested in its image.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 23:33

Fantastic day's cricket, just a shame that we came second.

Oh dear, I seem to have written that two days running !

Terrific effort from everyone with the bat today. I really didn't think we would get anywhere near Notts. score, which was immensely impressive to watch.

I guess we lost the game with the ball today. Too many deliveries short of a length allowing the batsmen plenty of room to swing.

A tough week for sure.

It is June 13th & our season is effectively over in terms of winning any meaningful silverware. It is also eight weeks until the next Championship game at Taunton which I won't see anyway as today was also my last cricket at HQ for the year.

Ho hum.

Grizzzly

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2017 23:46

One of the Somerset bowlers said after the match that was the flattest pitch he'd ever played on. And there's been plenty of competition for that accolade at Taunton.

If they serve up similar for the Eng v SA T20I a 300+ total isn't beyond the realms of possibility

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 07:43

Good to see you hearty and well Grizzz however fleetingly along with JuiaW and FarmerW. It does seem weird that on June 14 we are talking about a season of competitive cricket being all but over except for some early evening stuff.

The kids haven't even broken up yet. Where is their summer of cricket? Oh forgot; they don't have loadsa money do they? Participation rates are falling and cricket grounds that are full in late July and August are alternatives to the pub for people mostly with stag party mentalities. Oh to be in England now the summer is here.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 08:15

Great match to watch. Shame about result.
That's cricket over for several weeks and summers just landed!
Seems we're everyone's favourite bridesmaid. Time we caught the bouquet again! Not this year 😓

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 09:13

Definitely lost with the ball yesterday.

On a pitch that everybody knew would play as flat as a pancake, why did we not select a spinner? Too much to ask of Dom Bess at this stage of his career, but Leach may have been worth a shot.

Our heralded pace attack bowled too much short dross which were easy pickings for Taylor & Co. Painful to watch at times.

We came relatively close, but Notts. were worthy winners, so I couldn't argue with the result.

As some have already said, we only have the T20 circus now in which to try to put up a reasonable show, but our biggest challenge will be to try to avoid relegation in the CC.

That will be a big ask for a demoralised side. We have had a few 'Harry Houdini' escape acts in recent seasons, but soon we will have to bite the bullet and accept that we are simply not good enough to compete successfully and consistently at that level.

But don't despair Somerset. We have a ground which is partially redeveloped; we make good profits every year, and we have an International T20 game to host very soon.

What more could the Board ask for?

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 09:35

Could I suggest that, for the rest of this season at least, avoiding relegation in the CC is the trophy we aim for? Looking at the Div One table, that is entirely possible, given that there are eight games left, roughly 190 points to play for, and we've held "winning positions" in most of the games we've played so far - oh, and certainly Warks, at least, look worse than us.

Still a heck of a lot to play for, don't give up yet boys and girls.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grizzzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 09:49

Agreed SP.

It's just a shame that avoiding relegation is the only real ambition left to us, so early in the season.

I can't agree that we are not good enough to do better, it is simply that our Championship batsmen haven't fired on anything other than one and a half cylinders.

No idea why. Is it the fault of Captain, Coach, Director of cricket, or a combination of all of these. Or, is it just the players themselves ?

Bottom line is, if our top five had performed to the extent of their ability, we would be talking about mounting a challenge to win the Championship, rather than struggling to avoid the drop.

Grizzzly

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 10:46

SP - quite right.

Grizzly - all of the above.

Some people might say that Maynard has made poor signings. I'd clear him of that charge - apart from Ryan Davies his signings have all had good records prior to coming here.

HOWEVER, Maynard has - surely - failed to get the best out of almost all of the players that he has signed across various formats - Rehman, Arafat, two Davies's, Cooper, Allenby ... all of had far worse records playing for Somerset than they had before they came here... the only partial exception would be VDM who has improved his bowling record under MM (though his batting has been worse). This stands at least somewhat in contrast to Brian Rose who had some notable transfer successes, especially Nick Compton and Alf Thomas (both of whom performed far better here than they had done in their previous careers). Even Charl came here after a poor stint at Leics (albeit strong record in SA).

Clarence - we should remember that short rubbish, far from being an accident, is actually a team tactic in white ball stuff at home - all based on the square boundaries being relatively long. Maynard and Jim are therefore at least as much to blame as those purveying short rubbish.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 10:53

A note of interest.

The umpires for the Yorkshire CC match were David Millns & Neil Bainton, it was Neil Bainton who gave most if not all the questioned dismissals.

The cup match umpires yesterday against Notts included David Millns but not Neil Bainton, I wonder if there was a connection why one and not the other seeing that it was a day later.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 10:55

David Millns, IMO, is a good umpire.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 11:23

Quote:
AGod
we should remember that short rubbish, far from being an accident, is actually a team tactic in white ball stuff at home - all based on the square boundaries being relatively long. Maynard and Jim are therefore at least as much to blame as those purveying short rubbish.


So are you exonerating our BOWLING COACH Jason Kerr from this policy AG,
personally I feel a change of bowling coach is long overdue.


Steffan Jones's name springs to mind for the position

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 11:53

Hmmm 'Harry Houdini' escapers in the past? Not sure when they were Clarence... maybe one close shave. Rest of the time it was predictions of relegation by this time of a season that came to absolutely nothing as the second 'half' of most seasons we are stronger than the first'half' rather than 'escaping' by the skin of our teeth. For some relegation predictors, anything outside of top 4 is an 'escape'. I suppose they were 'Harry Houdini-like' in the sense that they looked more dangerous than they ever were to those who did not understand 'Harry' and his abilities.

We may be closer this year than we would have liked to be.... and you are probably right Shepton this is the campaign for the second half of this season.

We haven't been relegation fodder for years as is suggested. But we aren't a solid unit this year for certain in the longer format.

A successful T20 campaign might do something for the morale of the side but the timetabling does mean that we will have some rusty players coming back in for the second 'half' of the CC1. Young players getting a taste of top level stuff would be good as some of them may be called to the four day fray if things continue to go awry. Though 3 hour thrashes may not be the best preparation for the steadfast championship innings required.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 12:06

We did have a spinner in the side yesterday in RvdM. Max wasn't played but as said earlier it might have tightened bowling (but not certainly given the pitch) but would have weakened the batting (we really did bat to eleven).

I assume we are adding the man Jason Kerr to the blame who is being lauded on twitter and elsewhere this morning for getting three Somerset bowlers into the Lions squad and one into the England T20.

The comparison between Harry Gurney and Jamie Overton yesterday was to doo with length. Gurney bowled a longer length and although it didn't stop Somerset scoring, it did take earlier wickets however which became important at the end of the run chase when we ran out of batsmen.

Should we have batted first? Not sure to be honest, we like chasing and we haven't been bad at it in this competition.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 12:09

I wouldn't agree about Jason Kerr, Roger. With the Overtons, Gregory, Groenewald, Leach and Bess in recent/current England representative squads, and a broad consensus on here that our bowlers are very much not to blame for our current woes (yesterday notwithstanding), I'd contend that JK is the last person we'd want to lose.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 12:16

Lose a game...sack the management Shepton.

Lose two games sack the management and the backroom.

Twas always the way.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 12:36

Mybs also spun a few overs yesterday .

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 13:03

No Grockle its not my opinion based on the squad performances this season, I think you have mentioned before your are happy with JK as bowling coach.

I said the same on this site last year. However I do not really expect any changes to be made in that area at the end of the season, irrespective of our results.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 13:26

No idea whether Kerr suggested it or not but obvious that MM has the power to veto it, should he wish to do so, Roger.

So far as I can see though, Roger, in the most important comp (CC) Mr Kerr's charges have, without exception, performed laudably this season?



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 14:31

I'm not sure I've got an opinion one way or the other about Jason. But Like AG I can't really fault the bowlers this year - they just aren't allowed to make mistakes because of the ones being made by the batting unit on a match by match basis.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 14:43

Not only are the Lions crew doing well but TG, Josh and Roelof also seem to have done well when called upon in the CC.

Admittedly the team has probably been winning most of its white ball games due to good batting on some flat surfaces.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grizzzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 16:28

What's your thinking Roger ?

Grizzzly

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 19:01

Rest of the time it was predictions of relegation by this time of a season that came to absolutely nothing as the second 'half' of most seasons we are stronger than the first'half' rather than 'escaping' by the skin of our teeth.

I never thought this motley crew would make an impact in the Championship this year. Last year when we finished runners - up was a freak performance when they were allowed by the opposition to play above themselves.

Lightning doesn't strike twice and this year we are (well some of us) beginning to realise that we put out elevens on the park which are neither well - balanced or good enough.

Despite what Maynard says I don't see the hunger or desire needed to pull us out of this.

I see us as a poor side. We have escaped the drop a few times in recent years, but as a result of poor recruitment and management we find ourselves as having to do likewise again.

If we stay up I shall admit to being wrong. If we drop there will be several years in the wilderness of Div 2 and a mass exodus of Maynards Babes.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 20:59

A 'freak performance' over a number of games.... around about the time we lost you for the summer last year Tom.

This 'motley crew' is the same except for Chris Rogers I believe, who, as a batsman did not come to the party until the last match. But as a batting coach probably needs to quite soon.

Once again, to 'escape' the drop we must have come 7th? How many times has that been the case?

We were second last year
We came 6th in 2015
We came 6th in 2014
We came 6th in 2013
We came 2nd in 2012 (really? slipped my mind)
We came 4th in 2011
We came 2nd in 2010
We came 3rd in 2009
We came 4th in 2008
And we won the second division in 2007 of course (well at least according to Wikipedia)


So...we have never 'escaped' relegation as such.

I'd be happy to do it for the first time this year.

Whether we are a 'poor' side over a season has yet to be proved in relation to the First Division but don't give up hope Tom.

If we are still hearing from you in early September on the subject of our CC1 performance then will be the time to worry I suppose.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 21:14

I suppose one must concede, though, that in a sequence of 6th, 6th, 6th, 2nd, 8th* it is the 2nd place finish that looks like the outlier.

* current position

Regardless the big worry is that our batsmen will get us relegated and then our talented young bowlers will have their heads turned by offers from CC1 sides. Of course, the wider worry is also that the CC may not even survive the introduction of franchise drivel ...in which case, should we get ourselves relegated this season, we may never have a chance to get the damn CC won..

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 21:29

Last year was a move up and if that was the case are we putting that all down to Chris Rogers? The only difference in the composition of our CC1 side this year?

I'd put some of it down tp him but a 'freak' event it wasn't.

It would be good to find out what it actually was and get it back.

I'm sure all our bowlers are very happy AG that you have their careers sorted out if it all goes sphericals up though I do hope we aren't going to read all about their prospects at other counties for the rest of this season - you have mentioned this possible scenario twice in the last few days.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 21:44

If you look at last season we got on a roll near the end. By far the best performance was the destruction of Yorkshire at Headingley. We also overwhelmed a demoralised and already relegated Notts side. We had the three other home wins, all of which were close and, in the games with Durham and Warks winning the toss and being able to bat first probably made a big difference. This season we've generally lost those tosses and had to bat last, heaping pressure on the weaker part of our game.

Last season, had we lost the toss vs Warks and Durham, I think we'd have lost both games. Had we won the toss vs Yorks the other day then I think we'd have won that one. Hants is a harder call to make, given the magnitude of that defeat, but having to bat last certainly didn't help.

Perhaps the most worrying thing of all this season is that we were second best vs Warks (who have been hopeless against everybody else).

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 21:57

Crikey. We have 11 more days of this endless optimism before we next get back on tbe field.

Can see no logic in thinking any of our bowlers will be tempted away after our certain relegation.
Jack Dom Jamie Craig Lewis are all homegrown. Somerset through & through. Plus im pretty sure have contracts past September 2017.
If we stayed down for several years yes maybe but id be amazed if any jumped ship. They'd want to get us back up.

Anyway with 8 games to go we may just may win a game or 2 over coming matches and prove a few on here wrong.....

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 22:59

Holding players that want out to their contracts is something that almost never happens these days, hence contracts a total red herring.

Since all five guys presumably have England aspirations, it's far from obvious why any of them would want to play Div Two cricket. As for being home-grown? So was Jos and he left to further his England aspirations (at least that was the theory).

So I think you're kidding yourself, WSM, if you think they'd just all automatically stay on for poor Div Two cricket.

So, we'd better somehow avoid the drop and, with only 3 home games left, we are unlikely to have many turning tracks left to suit our team's biggest strength. So, with confidence through the floor, it will be a huge ask to escape from here.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 23:24

Crikey im not sure there is any point carrying on.
We are certain for relegation.
When we do all our bowlers will leave.
Nothing like looking on the bright side.
I'm not sure why i'm bothering with a few days at the concrete bowl really, much better watching our impending doom behind a screen.....

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 23:33

6th place in 3 consecutive years from 2013 to 2015 plus our current position in 2017, would suggest to me that 2016 was indeed the odd one out, as AG has already said.

Whilst our 2016 season's success owed much to the turning tracks that gave Leach & Co. match winning performances, it was a situation not likely to be repeated this year.

A side didn't have to finish 7th. in past seasons (not this one of course in view of fewer sides in Div.1) to "escape the drop" IMO. If we were in 8th. or 9th. spot when the last game of the season started, and we picked up a few points to finish 6th. whilst other counties did not, then I would indeed feel justified in saying we just "escaped the drop."

I admire loyalty wsm, but in this day and age, a professional sportsman with an agent breathing down his neck for his commission, I can't imagine many (if any at all) of our young bowlers would stick around for long in Div.2. Your concept of "Somerset through and through" wouldn't mean a thing when money and further opportunities come into the reckoning. You need look no further than Jos Buttler to contradict your line of thinking.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 23:39

Jos completely different.
He didnt go for money or div1 cricket.
He wanted to keep & we made it clear Kiesy was our number 1.
And yes i think our bowlers would be loyal. Not indefinitely no. If we do actually go down then have 2 3 seasons showing no prospect of a return then yes id expect 1 or 2 to have a think.
Broad Patel Wessels Lumb Hales Ball Gurney all seem to have stayed with Notts so far after their horror season last year......

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 23:47

...as have Jennings, Wood, Rushworth, Onions, Burnham, Coughlin, Richardson at Durham. With the enforced points deduction two years in Div 2 must have been anticipated. Yes Stoneman and Borthwick decamped to Surrey, but they were both out of contract and in both cases the moves were announced well before the ECB "relegated' Durham.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2017 23:49

Don't try bringing facts & logic into this Bagpuss, how silly.....

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 06:20

Broad, Wood and Ball already England players. Onions, Rushworth et al no real chance of any more/any appearances, respectively.

So none of those are equivalent cases.

Jennings was promoted to captain, I believe, something which usually comes with a hefty payrise. It is my understanding that Durham had to fight hard to keep him and that the Captaincy was part of their solution.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 10:10

Quote:
wsm fan
Jos completely different.
He didnt go for money or div1 cricket.
He wanted to keep & we made it clear Kiesy was our number 1.
And yes i think our bowlers would be loyal. Not indefinitely no. If we do actually go down then have 2 3 seasons showing no prospect of a return then yes id expect 1 or 2 to have a think.
Broad Patel Wessels Lumb Hales Ball Gurney all seem to have stayed with Notts so far after their horror season last year......

At the time he left, Buttler was considered by many to be the brightest kid on the block. Probably a number of counties would have been interested in signing him, but presumably on the advice of his agent he opted for Lancashire. Somerset had nurtured and looked after him since his schooldays, but did he show any loyalty to us in return? No! He walked out with a year remaining on his contract with us, and I find it very difficult to believe that money was not a factor in him reneging on his contract.

As for the loyalty of some of our existing players if we do drop down, then can you imagine that they would hang around for "2 / 3 seasons" before they decide that they are flogging a dead horse? For one thing they would be 2 / 3 years nearer to the end of their career (if indeed they still have one at that stage) and the opportunities to move elsewhere may no longer be there. It's a nice thought that you have expressed wsm, but no more than that IMO.

Back to Buttler. Even if he expressed a wish later in his career to return to Somerset, I would not wish to see it happen whatever our circumstances at the time. The club made the right decision in giving the gloves to Kieswetter for Championship cricket. It was a tragedy that ended his career, and I can't help thinking that had he still been playing for us, his batting alone at No. 5 would have set us in a much better place than we find ourselves in now.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 11:11

You are being unfair to Jos in an attempt to simply prove a point Clarence.

Anyone who knows the man knows how hard that decision was. You only had to see his body language on his first return to see that first hand.

I think he made a mistake, he may also think he made a mistake. It seems some main officials at the club did not have particular empathy to the situation and there were also third parties involved in advising the player with their own agendas. He had bad advice from people who wanted him elsewhere.

As WSM has already stated. Why are we talking about this now? 8 games in the CC1 so not even halfway and we are talking about replacing our bowling resources for CC2 cricket in 2018!! Get a grip fellas!

You 'escape' relegation by just managing to NOT go down Clarence. That means you are on the edge of the relegation zone. That's SEVENTH place whatever your opinion is.


If you want to say we have had poor seasons then that's fine but don't paint a picture of Somerset hanging on by their fingertips when that simply has not been the case.

On your logic, looking at the statistics, we have also been 'almost victors' in the CC1 for 6 years out of the last 9....... that isn't really true either.

I haven't heard many people talking about our 'freak' attack on the top spot last season. I did hear a number saying that we seemed to be finally getting over our transition period which has been debated in the last two seasons.

Many, at the start of this season believed that we had now got our side back into a form that could compete. That assessment of the bowling seems to have not been too far out - room for improvement still of course.

It looks like we might have been presumptive about the nature of our batting in terms of replacing seniors and the nature of the captaincy in terms of how young our captain should be.

It's not a great position at the moment but we are not in freeefall yet.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 12:01

Why should "some main officials at the club have particular empathy to the Buttler situation"? He was a club employee under contract with still a year to run. That has always been my stance.

If he did return to Taunton sobbing into his beer glass that he "had bad advice from people who wanted him elsewhere" then perhaps he should not have heeded their advice.

Anyway, he left and good luck to the man. He remains to me just another ex Somerset player, and there are hundreds of them.

One year that we finished in 6th. place, we ended up being equal on points with the team in 7th. position. "You 'escape' relegation by just managing to NOT go down Clarence." If that is not just escaping relegation, then I don't know what is, but then apart from you Grockle I don't know anyone else who knows.

They "hung on by their fingertips" alright.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 12:11

But you implied a number of seasons Clarence of 'escaping'.

One is not a number of seasons. We have been second three times. What is your assessment of those years then?

And your assessment of 60+% of a decade's positions in the top 4? No comment on that?

Got to do the whole picture CP, not just the bits you want to fit your particular perspective old boy.

The empathy aspect is to do with loyalty Clarence.... if bosses want loyalty from their players then it's a two way thing.

If it is just about employees and employment contracts then I can't see what your beef is with the way Jos went anyway. You seem very bitter about it.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 12:40

Buttler wanted his own way in that he wanted to be first choice 'keeper in the CC. Somerset rightly said IMO that Kieswetter was the preferred choice. Whatever he felt, whatever advice he was given, he left with still a year to run on his contract. He showed no loyalty to the club.

You imply that unless the club give in to one of their player's demands, then they can not expect "loyalty" from the player. Sorry, old boy, but I take the complete opposite view.

Enough of Buttler, he was just a flash in the pan of Somerset's rich history.

6th. place in 3 consecutive years does not suggest any improvement during that time. We bumped along at the bottom with no chance of winning anything. YES, we 'escaped' relegation on more than one occasion whichever way one tries to suggest otherwise.

We are currently in the bottom 2 with a lot to play for and a lot of hard work to be done. Can we do it? I shall tune in at the end of the season to find out.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 13:17

I imply nothing of the sort. Club and player are in a working arrangement. It should be co-operative and empathic. You want the best out of players then you work with them. You want to keep them then you have to know the whole situation - some of our people at that time didn't.

I don't know where you get that Jos seemed to demand to be top keeper or nothing. Not a version I have seen or heard about anywhere but in your post. Then again I wasn't involved in the negotiations and you obviously were to be so sure.

It was difficult. I'm not sure there was a solution but I do know that both sides tried to find one and there were mistakes made on both sides.

Done and dusted though so try and let it go. It was an unusual situation and hardly comparable to the others being discussed.

Your initial posts suggested us escaping relegation year after year. Your posts have now calmed down. We have 'bumped along at a lower level' through the first half of the last three years and we have then had a much stronger second half of the season and out performed many of our opponents. There doesn't seem to be any credit given for that part of our seasons - then again comments from you aren't as common in those sections of our season anyway.

Inconsistency agreed but your view of a struggling, failing and consistently lucky to get another CC1 season side in Taunton is simply not backed up by the facts I'm afraid.

Most of the time it is a case of an underperforming side in stages of transition finally finding it's form and moving back to where it should be in the league each season.

You can't see that I understand. Nothing we can do about that I am afraid.

I hope we all see better performances in the rest of this season as is usually the case in most of the last decade's record for Somerset. One year they are going to get it wrong. Hope it isn't in 2017



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 14:06

Stating the bloomin obvious- but only one person can keep wicket.

You might try to keep two people happy by playing one as a batsman only, but Buttler had been told by England he needed to be keeping wicket if he wanted to further his international ambitions.

Clarence- you really are asking a lot to expect someone to say 'I'd sooner play second fiddle at Somerset, rather than do what I need to do if I want to play for England'.

I don't understand why you are so unsympathetic to Buttler. He wanted to be the best he could be, and Somerset were blocking his way. So, not unreasonably, he went elsewhere.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 14:16

It's around the fact that he didn't need to be here as a keeper and he was pushed to see that as his only way into the England setup by Mr Giles et al.

We'd coped the year before. He may have had to wait longer but he would have made it in as a batsman anyway - I personally think he would have been a better one had he stayed here with Trecothick, Compton, Hildreth, Kieswetter and Trego.

I think his career would have taken a different and more long term path as an international batsman. I don't blame him for going but I don't think we argued the options well enough. Why did Guy do the negotiation? Part of the problem for Jos wasn't the cricket at that time.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 14:23

Whatever happened or didn't in the last ten years there have been near misses.

This year may be no different. We are a struggling unbalanced side with no depth in reserve. This has been brought about by a casual, non understanding attitude by officials who have the misguided attitude that we can produce a fully home grown team with the exception of an overseas player. The folly of that is now coming home hard. We should have recruited sensibly in the last few years but didn't recruit enough.

Probably Warwickshire and us are the 2 weakest sides in the Division, and they came out strongly above us in Fortress Taunton earlier this year.

If we continue to play for the rest of this season as we have so far, then we fully deserve relegation.

I shall have no qualms for I think that it would be better to regroup for a couple of years in the lower division. Sure we will lose some of our existing players but if they want to go then let them. Only with a flush of young players developing together at the same time, and without the damaging influences of some of our old guard, will we once again come to the fore.

It ain't going to happen this year that's for sure.


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A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 14:26

If Jos was available and willing now, I would take him back without hesitation.

Compared to our two Davies incumbents, he wouldn't have much to beat, more's the pity.

Still, don't suppose we would see much of him anyway, given International and other commitments.

Not sure I agree with the doubts expressed with loyalty. Messrs Overton, Bess & Leach would all be attractive to other Counties, but I tend to the view they would choose to stay with us, for a while anyway.

Or perhaps I am just being naive.

Best option, pull our collective batting fingers out & avoid the drop anyway.

Grizzzly

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 14:40

This sounds like a conversation that shouldn't be happening until September, but I would suggest the best way forward id to give the younger players, Bartlett, Byrom, and Green a chance. You only find out if people are good enough by playing them.

There are bound to be a few 35 year olds released by other counties who might be good enough to play for another 2 or 3 years, but, tempting as it might be to shore things up by signing one or two of them, all that does is hold up progress (another two years of Bartlett not getting in the side) but, sure as eggs are eggs, people will want to see some signings.

I seem to remember only a few years ago, when I first started posting on Grockles, there was a match when everyone was in a mad panic, because out of necessity, there was no choice but to pick two Overtons, Gregory, and Meschede. Okay- the latter has gone elsewhere- but the other three hit the ground running from the word go.

Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 15:41

How sensible of you Chunky...two people suggested that about a page ago.

If we play like we have up to now it seems the experts say we will be relegated so you are correct Grizzz. If we want to avoid the doomsday scenarios of Soothsayer AG we need to take your advice.

If only we had bought a side in and not bothered with Lewis, the Overtons, Leach, Bess we'd be better off. We'd have batsmen and no bowlers but that's OK we could have failed sensibly then- I think.

I wish I'd kept a list of all those great batsmen who went on to do great things in the county game that were available to Somerset who failed to buy when they were offering themselves for almost nothing to come here. Damn the queue was around the block - remember? I'm old it seems to have gone from my memory.

Has anyone got a list of those available that we missed out on since 2007?

Of course we forget that at that time we had players we don't have now. If only Jos had stayed. if only Craig K hadn't been tragically lost. If Compo hadn't got homesick. (TiC) - total mismanagement.

Anyway - one piece of sense from MM over the last couple of weeks was that we are where we are and like it or not the people we have here NOW have got to get us out of this. They have done it before and they can do it again. Or they don't and then we have to deal with that.......in about 4 months time if at all.



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Re: Notts Quarter
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2017 16:20

I don't want to get drawn into this argument but would like to correct one point. Jos did not renege on his contract. He was out of contract at the end of the 2013 season. Both Warwickshire and Surrey put in formal 28-day notices to speak to him as well as Lancashire.

Similar approaches were made to Nick Compton who was also out of contract at the end of this season. After much soul-searching he put pen to a three-year deal at Taunton, although he left with the agreement of the club after two years.

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