Neither Farmer or myself are there. Farmer is at a much more important event and I'm in Hamilton watching this on SKY where we have already been dubbed the 'nearly men' by Mark Butcher within seconds of switching on. It is definitely the media view that we are second favourites today. I'm happy with that view. Hampshire win the toss and will bat.
LORD's. The Final. Hampshire v Somerset. No changes from the side that took Notts down in the semi away from home. Hampshire win the toss and look to put a score on the board.
Banton, Ali, Trego, Hildreth, Abell, Gregory, van der Merwe, Overton C, Overton J, Davey, Greonewald
I must admit I like to see the side that got a team to the Final playing in the Final, the first time I went to one it was the Cider Final and Steffan Jones who played in most of the games leading up to Lord's was left out in the Final and Graham Rose came back in after injury. It didn't feel right to be honest.
So Cove and Josh Davey start for us against Donald and Alsop. It is nervous but they are tight and Hampshire don't reach the boundary until the middle of the third. Good solid infielding from us as a unit and slightly reticent batting from the Hampshire openers as they are missing James Vince. In the 4th over we get first blood as Josh gets Donald driving to RvdM and it is 16 for 1. Josh seems to be favouring one side sllightly and could be just tight or something might have gone, the physio checks him and he stays on and bowling so he may play through it.
30 for 1 after 7 and our front two are looking to work hard and Alsop gives a chance to James Hildreth who drops it.... aaaarrrgghhh. But next ball the footwork is right and Hilda takes the batsmen second time. 2 wickets to Josh, 2 chances to James and Hampshire are 30 for 2. Seems Craig is 'not even close' to the England side at the moment and the patronising goes on. But we are bowling good lines and fielding very well in the first 10 overs. Good boundary fielding from both Lewis and Tom.
43 for 2 after 10 and Lewis is into the attack for the eleventh from the Nursery End and has Northeast playing at his first. It looks to be keeping a little low every now and again. Josh is really in the zone and bowling a beautiful line and length from the outside coming in. Hampshire are struggling to get the ball off the mown part of the wicket. We have the first reference to the fact that this is the LAST Lord's 50 over final for ever or maybe a considerable time. Butcher comments on the first one in 1963, references the scores in a 65 over event and then links that to why cricket is seen as not 'exciting' enough as if anyone referenceing that is looking at scoring rates in the 1960's!!!
And with that diversion Lewis Gregory bowls Weatherly with the score on 50 - oh yes the 'handsome one' does the job. Now we face the important pair; Sam Northeast and Rilee Rossouw who has been a big thorn in our side before. This is the partnership that may decide the home of the trophy, if these two get away we could be looking at something very significant, if not we will feel we are into the soft underbelly of Hants... though there is Gareth Berg!!
As we move through the teens in terms of overs the Hampshire men start to consolidate as Josh finishes his excellent first spell with 2 for 28 and we introduce Jove for the 18th. It is weird that this man and our 12th man Dom Bess were both in Championship action last week for other counties - Northants and Yorkshire respectively. Northeast gets a fortuitous edge for 4 as Jamie starts well and we finsih the 18th with Hampshire on 86 for 3.
19.4 Rossouw mistakes a ball coming in, looks to leave it, catches an inside edge and is bowled by Jamie!! Vital wicket and we have them at 4 down with less than 100 on the board. In comes Gareth Berg before a long tail. Tom puts in a slip to attack the new man and Overton is roaring in but needs to keep composure as he moves up to 89 miles an hour.
99 for 4 at 20 overs - we would have taken that at the start of this game I believe. RvdM takes an over at 22 to change ends for Jove and Hampshire go to 3 figures as we move into the 20's. There is a lot of presssure on the Hampshire captain now as his side are into their middle order and Liam Dawson is not in the side at the back end though Wood is no slouuch with the bat. Bumble seems to think that Jove 'had' pace...... after seeing him play against Lancashire last week. We shall see.
Roelof continues to twirl in the 24th from the Pavilion End and nearly has Berg stumped and he picks the wrong length of ball. By the 28th Hampshire have been held to 118 as both Somerset bowlers keep the press on. Northeast has 40 to his name and Berg has 9. They are both there and looking to establish a base from which to accelerate and we have to remember that the bowling unit of the opposition is not to be taken lightly. The commentators are looking at a 250 score, which would definitely be possible with these two staying at the crease and a contribution from the tail. Somerset would like one of these out before 30 overs and definitely not having this pair together as Hants move inbto the last 10. Presently Somerset have produced 100 non scoring balls in the first 28 overs and that is not bad.
The great thing about the 50 over game is that there is time in this format to reset and re-evaluate a position in the mid over period and this is definitely what Northeast and the dressing room are doing given the position they find themselves in. Cove replaces his brother for the 29th and at 129 for 4, given the idea that you double the 30 over score, 250 seems a good prediction of the score we will have to chase. RvdM is halfway through his spell and has only leaked 15 runs presently so he is doing his job.
Lewis looks to change the game as he returns for the 33rd but Berg and Northeast are looking well set, though Hampshire still don't have 150 (145 for 4 at 32.3 overs) and Somerset must feel they are in a decent position. There are worries about Gregory and whether he has pulled something as he is grimacing (I think he just does that) and has lost a little pace. However, the infielding of the side is keepiing the press on here with some excellent stops and pickups show how much we want this.
Jamie takes the next oneas RvdM takes a breather. He puts a short one in that tempts Berg to pull /hook him. It gets to the batsman too fast and he top edges the ball to be picked up by George Bartlett in the 'not so deep'. Just what we needed at 145 for 5 with Berg gone for 27. In comes Fuller and jove looks to work him over as well. Anyone for a '...wicket maiden in the 34th'?
Tom Abell brings himself on in the 37th as Sam Northeast goes past a dogged and captaiin's half century. Captain against captain and TB gets the breakthrough as he gets his opposite number playing on for 56 and Hampshire are at 164 for 6. In comes Chris Wood as Jamie looks to put the tail to the sword. Shame Liam Dawson is not here it seems. I think it is a bigger shame that James Vince is not in the batting side. If Hampshire were relying on Dawson then they would have been in trouble anyway. Northeast playiing across the ball and snicked it into the wicket.
We go to 165 for 7 as Jamie bangs the ball into Chris Wood, rushes him and he top edges to Bartlett who takes his time and the catch. 7.3 overs 3 for 24 for Jamie Overton and Kyle Abbot looks to push this on with a boundary off his first delivery. He will bat is he can and he can score hard but we are on top in this half of this game. A lot of talk about our 6 and a half footer using the height to dig the ball in and get it to rise into the batsman. Great spell from the big man. so pleased to see it happening on TV.
A ball before the last 10 start, we push the batsmen to complete a short run as a direct hit takes the stumps out with Fuller just in. They take 179 for 7 into the last phase of their innings and we are still pressing with sharp infield fielding. Then Tom Abell is back in the mix as he bowls Abbot playing down the wrong line and losing his off stump. 180 for 8!! The captain? 5 overs 2 for 11!! Not too shabby.
193 for 8 with line and length and bowling at the stumps.... amazing how often that works isn't it. Good to see Tom Banton standing up to Tom Abell keeping the batsmen honest and keeping them below 200 with 5 overs to go. RvdM returns, showing some confidence from the Somerset boys. He gets his first one to turn to everyone's surprise including the batsmen who scramble their 200th run from it.
Craig is reintroduced for the 46th and goes close with ball 1 to Mason Crane. Both Overton's have used their height well to get problematic bounce. It is also significant that there have been no sixes in this innings at all before this point and swinging at the moment is not a real option with only 2 wickets left. 3 overs to go and 208 for 8 on a pitch that suggests a little more thn this total. However, we have to remember that we can collapse with the best of them and it wouldn't be the first time. Irrespective of where this ends up at 50 overs, the bowlers have most certainly done their job in the first half of this game although it would be good to see that they keep the pressure on until the very end of the Hampshire innings rather than thinking the job is done with 18 balls to go and letting them get very near to 250. Crane is looking at that as his target so we need to tie him down wherever possible. 221 for 8 with 12 balls to go so the 250 is a possible still. These 2 have already equalled the 9th wicket partnership record with 44 off 41 balls against Somerset.
We have the first mention of the Somerset 'Golden 3' of the 80's from the commentary team in the 49th over so Somerset must have been doing well to keep their concentration on the game actuallly going on now. Hampshire have taken 21 off the last 2 overs as Jamie Overton takes the final over. Josh Davey has not come back to bowl so he must have had a niggle at the start of the game as was noticed. The 50 partnership comes off the first of the last over. These two tailenders have done their job well. We get the first six of the innings from James Fuller!! A second one takes him past 50 as he slaps a cutter to the off side.
A real chance for the boyz... now they need to put it away. I apologise if the report has a gap but I am off down the pub because my streaming service is startiing to lag so I will do the second half from Front Street in Hamilton oon a sunny Bermudian day. Hampshire have 244 for 8 with a partnership of 64 frm the last two guys. I think this is on, but ask me again after 10 overs. Have a nice interval. I'm off for a walk and breakfast.
Abbot and Edwards start against Banton and Ali with Tom opening with a confident boundary. Fidel is very loose at the start and the young Somerset batsman takes hinm for 14 off three consecutive deloveries and only fails to make it four by some good boundary fielding. Somerset fly to 22 off ther first 3 overs. Then both batsmen start to go after Abbot as well as they move to 42 off ther first 5 overs which prompts a picture of Tractor on SKY for some reason. I am in the Irish pub on Hamilton's Front Street where the staff have set up the TV but without audio. A couple of Scots are not happy as they have to move to watch the Scottish Cup Final but they leave me to it. Both openers are moving along and we are one run from 50 by the 6th. Wood is introduced for the 7th and the 50 is an almost imeediate result.
By the end of the 14th the opening Somerset are so settled that Mason Crane is introduced which could be danger time for Banton who is on 48 at this time. It doesn't seem to bother him though as he attempts to sweep his fist delivery and succeeds witht he third ball and a run a ball half century in impressive manner. Berg comes on for the 16th as we pass the 15th on 91. It does not slow the pair down as Banton brings out the reverse sweep and we pass 100 3 balls intothe over.
Hampshire are looking for something to turn the tide and they move Fidel to the other end and bring him back on. He in turn is wound up by his treatement in his first spell and comes in like a train with almost instant effect as he cuts Tom in two and gets an inside edge on the way through. 69 off 67 and an excellent start for the county. In comes Pete Trego who is immediately bounced by Fidel and words are exchanged between the two. The move slows down the run rate and Somerset have only moved on to 117 by the 20th. Fidel then rushes Ali and he pops one up at 121. In his second spell, Edwards has gone for 4 while snatching 2 wickets.re
Peter and James Hildreth find themselves together and have soon moved the score on to needing 100 off 144 balls while both batsmen have 14. No one really looks like bothering the barsmen except Edwards and we can afford to close up agaiinst him because we have the wickets and the balls to do it. We've moved pn to 170 before Trigger departs after skying one and being caught by Wood off Fuller for 29. Ton Abell replaces him needing 75 off 111 qnd when he goes chopping to a fielder as Fidel gets fired up again, the total needed is a run every two balls 42 from 83. It seems pretty much done and dusted but Somrset fans can't possibly accept that after so long.
Nevertheless James is Majestic and all George has to do is get him oon strike and run when he does. The man reaches 50 at 221 and with nearly 9 overs left and by 6 wickets, Somerset go to their first cup win in 18 years with a Hildreth boundary that splits the field.
Glorious. Glorious Glorious. We were hardly in danger, the bowling was excellent. Jamie Overton gets the Man of the Match award for his significant 3 wickets at the most opportune of times. The side are besides themselves and provide a brilliant version of 'Blackbird' to the crowd after the cup is awarded. This was a very solid and mature victory and it bodes well for the future as we finally have learned to 'get over the line'
SOMERSET ARE Royal London One Day Cup Champions and they damn well deserve it.
'The Nearly Men' Lord's Final
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With just three days remaining before our biggest game in years, in what could be the final domestic cup to be played at Lord's some disturbing news to see Tom Banton struggling around the county ground this afternoon, after retiring with a back spasm whilst scoring 67 no for the seconds today.
Another major factor is the inclusion of James Vince and Liam Dawson in the world cup squad, which makes them both unavailable for Hants on Saturday
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Any chance, I wonder, of Davies keeping wicket and Tom playing just as a batsman? If the back is, say, 95 percent by Saturday, might not want to aggravate it by having him keep wicket and yet might want to make the slight gamble on having him at the top of the order?
Ahh well I was hoping to be there but by the time the ECB had got its collective act together and confirmed things (some 8 days after initial enquiries and 3 automated responses from the office specifically for the final) the cost of travelling had doubled and so it will be finding places where I can get some of it live here instead.
As much as I wanted to be at the last one (for the moment), it is probably a good thing as the times that I have attended live finals we have lost while the times when I haven't we've won.
Yes, I tend to agree. Not really a suggestion, but just a "I wonder," kind of thing. Tom B would be a big miss. And it's easy to say "don't gamble if there's any doubt at all," but - especially for one-day as opposed to four day games, I think teams sometimes do make small gambles - and if he's, say I say, 95%, then it would possibly only be a small gamble... but a slightly larger one if he has to keep wicket for 50 overs first...
"ECB made representations to ICC on behalf of the board and Hampshire Cricket in an attempt to ensure Liam Dawson and James Vince were available for their county for the Royal London One-Day Cup final.
ICC regulations around global tournaments are clear that squad players are not permitted to play in domestic cricket after the start of the Support Period (May 23) and while we understand the ICC decision we are nevertheless disappointed that it will lead to two leading international players missing our showpiece domestic final at Lord's.
There was a little chap at the ground yesterday, about 8 years old, wearing a Tom Banton replica shirt with the sleeves around his knees and the hem down to his ankles. Evidently his parents had decided Banton is going to have a long Somerset career, and the poor lad is just going to have to grow into his replica shirt if he wants one.
I do hope for his sake he gets to see his hero in action on Saturday.
I'll be there on Saturday, got my ticket for Edrich Upper...
I go to the Cup Final pretty much every year as it's convenient from where I live. Not seen my team there since 2001 (Boswell's game for some, Parsons' game for others). Can't wait, like a kid at Christmas - will be nice not just to cheer for Whoever's Playing Surrey.
[quote Bagpuss]Another abiding memory for me from 2001 is Afridi c Turner b Johnson.
A propos 'Turner', I read recently that there is a Rob Turner playing for Weston-Super-Mare.
Does anybody on this thread know if it is the same Rob Turner?
Forecast seems good. Anyone any thoughts as to whether there’s liable to be any material advantage in either setting a target or chasing one?
I suspect that, pitch and overhead conditions wise, the answer will be ‘no.’
However, they say that one should always put the pressure on the stronger element of a team’s game. For us, our strongest element is, surely, our fielding? For that reason, I’d prefer to set a target, should we get the chance.
[quote Phrench Phil][quote Bagpuss]Another abiding memory for me from 2001 is Afridi c Turner b Johnson.
A propos 'Turner', I read recently that there is a Rob Turner playing for Weston-Super-Mare.
Does anybody on this thread know if it is the same Rob Turner?[/quote]
Weston seems to have been a veritable who's who of Somerset cricketers... Peter Trego, coach Sam Trego, Charl Willoughby for a few seasons, Rob Turner...
As for the final, I'll be watching it on TV with my dad. I toyed with taking him but he's 84 and has mobility issues, takes water tablets so needs the toilet a lot! Etc. Plus, I find actually watching finals in the flesh impossibly tense... I went to Som vs Sussex in the Gillette Cup in 1978 (lost), Som v Glos (lost), Som v Yorks (lost), Som v Leics (WIN) and Som v Warwick in the Clydesdale 40 over cup a few years ago. Yep, lost, after a totally unnecessary run-out (Hildreth?) after which they fell apart.
This year I'll be sorting wine and snacks for a good day's entertainment!
I was thinking of finding the video - many thanks. And eight seconds is a huge amount of time to be waiting...
It was great to see the back of Afridi before he got going, He bowled well if I remember correctly, with our batsmen not picking up his googly at all - did he bowl three?
Lovely day out though, the sixes by Parsons, the Turner catch, the bowling of Boswell; I felt guilty about cheering the wides when I read an article a few years ago about Boswell, who never played top-level cricket again after that torrid experience.
Yes, sfwitgers.... we had a bad start, but there was then a long stand between Compton and Hildreth, broken only by a daft run out. Then Imran Tahir took the rest apart. But I still think we’d have won had we picked the best team for the conditions, bowling wise, rather than taking the old ‘We have to play the team that got us to the final,’ stance. Perhaps we overcompensated for the prior Graham Rose / Stefan Jones business?
I took my kids to an event at the Milkennium stsdium in Cardiff where an England side including the likes of Nasser and Mark Saggers took on an Asia side full of Indian and Pakistani stars to promote short form cricket pre T20.
There were different scores for hitting the ball into different seating tiers. 4 to the rope, 6 over the rope, 8 1st tier 10 2nd and 12 for hitting the roof.
The only player who got a 12 was Afridi Much to the joy of the predominently Asian audience.
At the Millennium it should be 30+ for hitting the roof, and I reckon that Afridi would be one of the few in with a chance.
I remember press coverage of games like that. It's a pity that British football/rugby pitches are just too small for similar games. The London Olympic stadium, with its athletics track dimensions would have been/would be ideal (didn't they try to host cricket but were turned down?).
(Completely off topic: after my reference to Half Man, Half Biscuit here recently, I went to see Robert Forster of the Go-Betweens last week and I'm seeing The Chameleons tonight. The cricket link? These are performers from the time when Somerset were one-day kings in the early 1980s, and I was young, healthy, full of life, vim and vigour... and if we win on Saturday I will be again. Briefly...!
My 84-year-old dad wants to live to Somerset win the CC, and if they do, it'll probably give him a heart attack. But I doubt he'd want a better way to go. This is partly flippant/partly serious.)
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I was surprised, when T20 was first devised, that it didn’t represent a more radical departure from the game as we know it.
Such departures could have included zoned boundaries like that above, or a fixed number of balls per partnership with no dismissals that remove a batsman from the arena... with things done on a ‘single wicket,’ type basis where a dismissal incurs penalty runs to baseball type arrangements where not everybody has to bat, bowl and field etc.
I was surprised that these sort of things didn’t come in to start with (given that T20 was supposed to bring in new audiences and that the new format was, initially, not taken very seriously and and I’m even more surprised - given their hatred of traditional cricket - that the Egotistical Cricket Board aren’t intent on far more radical departures from the existing T20 format, in their cursed ‘Hundred.’
Grockle I took my kids to an event at the Milkennium stsdium in Cardiff where an England side including the likes of Nasser and Mark Saggers took on an Asia side full of Indian and Pakistani stars to promote short form cricket pre T20.
I went to that, I remember Afridi hitting the roof. It was called "Power Cricket", was it two games of 15-overs-a-side?
In a nicely balanced interview on cricinfo, Hampshire`s Kyle Abbott believes his side`s main edge will come from familiarity with Lord`s from playing in last year`s final, while Somerset will be out of their comfort zone. Quite a bold statement really, as Hants will be without their most experienced batsman James Vince and spin bowler Liam Dawson.
Interesting that Abbott seems in a way to regret giving up his South African Test career to become a Kolpak with Hampshire. He puts his decision down to his country`s selection policy, but says six month later he might have taken a different view.
"In a nicely balanced interview on cricinfo, Hampshire`s Kyle Abbott believes his side`s main edge will come from familiarity with Lord`s from playing in last year`s final, while Somerset will be out of their comfort zone. Quite a bold statement really, as Hants will be without their most experienced batsman James Vince and spin bowler Liam Dawson."
Bold... and, surely, completely confounded by the recent form in this series between Somerset and Hants:
1. They almost always beat us in 50 over games at Taunton.
2. We usually beat them in 50 over games at Hedge End.
Apart from that, it's hardly as though our guys have never played at Lord's.
Of the starting XI, I'd think the only ones that *might* not have played at Lord's would be George Bartlett and Tom Banton, if he plays. I'm not 100% certain that Craig Overton has done, mind. I've seen all of our other batsmen and bowlers (bar Azhar who has obviously played there for Pak) play at Lord's, but I can't swear that I've seen Craig bowl there.
I didn't read that Abbott interview as an expression of regret at going Kolpak. Nor implying that he would have ultimately done anything different, had he waited 6 months. Just that if he HAD waited 6 months, then he would have had the chance to play the Champions Trophy and the SA tour of England. But after that, he's still convinced that he would have been frozen out of the SA side, with the returns of Steyn and Morkel.
And he goes on to point out that it's always better to be 6 months early than try to be clever and be 6 months too late (with the Kolpak opportunity possibly no longer available).
Clarence, my father was at the Lords final in 1967 (he still blames Geoff Clayton for some reason) and I've been to a succession of Lords finals with him since, but we're also watching it on TV. I'd love to go with my old dad but it's just too difficult.
Hopes and wishes with the fans and players for tomorrow. Lord knows I'll be tense just watching it on the small screen!
Too far away and too many years on the clock,but the sofa is booked,the Thatchers is in the fridge and the Wurzels are by the CD player. May everybody going have wonderful day and may all the players show exactly why we believe in them. Onwards and upwards
No Dawson, no Vince, no overseas player. What more do Somerset need? Hants to play without a full number of players? Hants players to be blindfolded? When Somerset win, the prizemoney and MOTM award should be donated by Somerset to the ECB who, in scheduling the competition's final now, have denuded Hants of key players. We await the margin of Somerset's victory. I have no doubt Hants would have won with their best team out.
George Dobell's article in The Cricketer this month is apposite: a deliberate downgrading of domestic competitions to big up The Hundred?
Somerset have included Tom Banton in their 14-strong squad for Lord`s, but also Steve Davies as a precaution.
Jamie Overton is in the squad, but not fellow loanee Dom Bess, and two additions from the side that beat Notts in the semi are Tim Groenewald and Ben Green.
Hampshire make four additons from their semi-final line-up - wicket-keeper Lewis McManus, America-born Ian Holland, who won his first cricket contract with Victoria in Australia via a Reality TV Cricket Star contest, and batsmen and occasional off-break bowlers Joe Weatherley and Brad Taylor.
Very best wishes to all starting their trips to Lords.
I literally can not wait!
Having attended Rosey's event on Weston Pier last night i am more than ready for this.
As Brian said if we can learn today what it takes to win today this could be the start of a very special era for the club and a very special 2019.
Hants 01 - Whilst we understand - and even share - your frustration, your post is disrespectful to all concerned - not least to the Hants players that will grace Lord’s.
Equally, your assertion that you are ‘sure,’ Hants would win, if at full strength.
I like Liam Dawson. He’s a good cricketer. I don’t particularly like James Vince but, by County standards, I concede that he’s a good player. But you write as though Barry Richards, Gordon Greenidge and Malcolm Marshall have been ruled out, whereas the truth is that the number of world-beaters that have been ruled out is zero.
Given that recent Som vs Hants games have largely been split - with each side losing the home games, you have zero reason to be ‘certain,’ that you’d win, if only at full-strength. Equally, I can assure you that there’s zero reason to be certain we’ll win... we’re not rolling out Viv and Joel and Beefy, you know.
I remember well that you posted identical defeatist nonsense before a CC game last year, informing us that an SCCC win was inevitable. And did we win said game? No.
In that case, I'll pop over... Living just outside Reading, and five minutes walk from the station, I had no need for an early start - just enjoying a coffee before the 9.19 train into Paddington. See (some of) you in the Edrich Upper, those at home (or Bermuda) I hope you have an equally enjoyable day.
Hants01: I share some of your annoyance that Hants are shorn stupidly of some of their best players, but am sure it'll be a good game nevertheless - wish I had your certainty of the result though.
And as for radio commentary Radio 5 have a World Cup warm-up game of England and Australia and Talksport, a womans football international and then Newport County v Tranmere Rovers! Radio Somerset have no coverage. No mention at all about our cup final on the news. Cricket, including the World Cup, is being ignored by the main media. They must be keeping powder dry for the 100.
Somerset are not odds-on with most or all bookmakers- which they never were when Hants won their s/final. This reflects Hants being shorn of key players today. Somerset were trounced in their own backyard when Hants played without Vince, but now we have no Dawson and no overseas player, as well as no Vince. You need your big players for big games. It is a measure of Hants' trophy-winning in recent years, that we lose two players to the World Cup squad. Somerset, not a single one.
Where are you based Bagpuss ? I set off from just outside Cullompton at 4.45 a.m..
Left home at 5.55 to get the 0619 from Honiton to Waterloo. Good turnout in the train from Somerset supporters (it was standing room only by the time we crossed the border into Hampshire!). But from Waterloo to Lord's goes past Somerset House. An omen?
Hants01 Somerset are not odds-on with most or all bookmakers- which they never were when Hants won their s/final. This reflects Hants being shorn of key players today. Somerset were trounced in their own backyard when Hants played without Vince, but now we have no Dawson and no overseas player, as well as no Vince. You need your big players for big games. It is a measure of Hants' trophy-winning in recent years, that we lose two players to the World Cup squad. Somerset, not a single one.
Got one. Although I think the statement should rather be that it would be advantageous to get early wickets, rather than that we must do... if they had a strong lower-order then getting at them early might be in the ‘must do,’ category.
A beautiful spell by Davey, good opening from Cove, Excellent opening over from Lewis and the partnership to break at the crease.
Hants01 - if you are bitter about the ICC's work on your side then we agree with you but stay away if you want to come here and vent your frustration on the side you are playing as if we are pretenders to your supposed throne.
WE are at this final on MERIT. Lord's is NOT Taunton and we deserve to be there playing your side. The win you had was LAST year... not last week. You want it? Come and take it, you don't get it by right of playing in Southampton, having players who might get an england spot and winning it in 2018.
Wnat to win it? THEN EARN IT. Put up or please, please, please, shut up.
It seems an eternity since I first went to Lord's for a one - day Final in 1967; wish I could still do it but I will be seated around the TV nevertheless.
I too was at the 1967 final, with my Dad - according to several schoolmates I appeared on TV in a crowd shot. I also attended the 1978 final, after which I decided they were probably better off without my support in person on these occasions.
In fact I claim double credit for the 1979 win, as not only did I stay away from Lord's but commented to Keith Jennings in Wivey Rugby club house in March or so, "You're going to have to win one this year Keith", to which he replied "You're right there mate". I'm sure it helped.
Hants01, I and I'm sure all contributors here sympathise with your frustration at the final's poor timing and the ICC's ludicrous ruling. We would all rather see both teams at full strength and a cup final worthy of the name, rather than the alternatives of (from a Somerset viewpoint) a tarnished victory or an embarrassing defeat (either of which is most certainly the way the media will present it).
However your gratuitous attacks on the Somerset team, who are not responsible for the ICC ruling, are misplaced in any context, and really rather foolhardy here.
If Hants01 wants to blame anyone for James Vince's absence then blame Alex Hales for (allegedly) smoking the wacky baccy, or the journalist who broke the real 'personal' reason for his absence from Nottinghamshire's team. Because it's only Hales' absence that puts James Vince in the World Cup 15.
Has Rob Bailey, known ever so slightly strangely but for obvious reasons as BBF (or Big Batters` Friend) on the circuit since he became an umpire in the early 2000s, given Hampshire the boost they needed?
Mason Crane was as plumb lbw to Roelof van der Merwe as you are ever likely to see when he had scored 7, as Sky replays vividly demonstrated. But despite the final being at Lord`s, there is no referral system - and he survived to put on a vital 50-plus with James Fuller.
The joys of being at a live cricket match: the pair sat next to me have spent three hours talking about investment strategy, mortgage rates and capital gains tax, while the chap behind me mused to his friend that the Hants opener used to open the bowling for South Africa. FFS...
I'm in the Edrich Upper and haven't partaken in a Mexican wave for thirty years. For this and other reasons, I may seek a shadier spot for the Somerset innings.
"They'll be dancing in the streets of Taunton and Tiverton..."
Clearly the commentator is aware of the Devon contingent in the Somerset team and our neighbours' cause for celebration on their account.
Or, less probably, he is ignorant of West Country geography.
I don't feel Somerset beat Hants today. The ECB did. A major final and the grotesque scheduling of this final has robbed Hants of key players. Look at the contributions of Dawson and Vince in the group stage. Hants were the outstanding side hitherto in the competition and judges like Nasser Hussain (see this month's The Cricketer thought so). Somerset should give their prizemoney to the ECB- they have made it easy for them. I am proud of the Hants effort, performing with one hand tied behind our back today. We rarely lose a final and our record of trophy winning is fantastic in recent years; today is very disappointing, but entirely predictable, given the ECB's scheduling. What has Vince been doing today? Making decent runs against Australia at Southampton. Somerset's old hands and imports- with a helping hand from overseas- have got them home for a rare final win. Congratulations ECB.
WSM - great day for you! Excellent from Jamie and Josh (who was, shamefully, not mentioned in the Sky MoM summing Up).
For Guildford, I say Lewis to rest even if technically fit. Play two Overtons (cancel Jamie’s loan), plus TG and Tom as 4th seamer (should value himself more). Replace Gregory with Tom Banton and bar him middle order with license to attack. Drop Trescothick for Byrom. Bat Tom A at 3, get Hildreth back to 4;
The GREAT Matthew Jack Leach.
Although both Josh Davey and Lewis Gregory were both unable to complete their 10-over stints because of side strains, both took a full part in the celebrations at the end and didn`t look too inconvenienced.
Fortunate, perhaps, that Somerset, along with Nottinghamshire, miss out on the next round of cc matches.
When Dom Bess substituted for Lewis, it must surely have been the first Lord`s final in which one county had two players currently out on loan on the field.
Absolutely magnificent performance and a wonderful occasion.
Brilliant atmosphere in the mound stand and terrific stuff from all the players, who must be thrilled to bits to win the final final at Lord’s and put all those ‘nearly’ moments behind them.
I felt we bowled and fielded superbly, aided by excellent Captaincy by Tom Abell and put the game effectively beyond Hants reach with our first wicket partnership.
Whilst you make some valid points re the ECB Hants01, your comments are pretty ungracious, particularly given Tom Banton’s performance. Thought he was pretty unlucky not to get the m.o.t.m. award, even acknowledging James and Jamie’s respective achievements.
Managed to shake Brian Rose’s hand at close of play. which rounded the day off very nicely indeed.
Somerset CCC - RLODC winners 2019 !!!!!!
How good does it feel to type and say that !!!!!
Happy Saturday evening everyone.
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Good evening all - this is my very first post this season because my 94 year old Dad, who I have mentioned before as desperate to see us win the Championship died last week after a few weeks of brutal illness with the big C. He followed SCCC as long as he could and his last day of being fully aware of cricket was the superb QF win at Worcester. Today was a fantastic win and he missed it by a week. My joy at our first trophy for 14 years was tempered by not being able to share it with him. Once the funeral is out of the way I hope to be following grockles again right through to our first CC win. I am sure 'getting over the line' today will generate a belief in the squad that will do it for us. Off now to raise a glass to my old Dad and to Somerset cricket both team and incredible supporters.
Somewhat annoyed me that they continued to mention the toss. Let’s be clear we simply bowled better then batted better. We never really allowed Hants to get the run rate above 5 and Banton provided the explosive batting first up. As comfortable as it gets from start to finish.
Ahh Stevecav.... so sorry. You have to believe he saw this from wherever. If there is somewhere after you go, they couldn't not share this. He must have also thought this was on so moved on with hope in his heart.
Let's hope we celebrate those people who have followed for decades by not stopping here.
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Raising a glass for you and your Dad, Steve. My 4 year old daughter (and 10 month old son!) watched the game with us on TV. My daughter now wants to go to Taunton - this was the first final me and the wife missed in 10 years. Perhaps we were the curse !
Please accept my condolences on the loss of your old dad, Stevecab, and I hope that you will be able to reflect on many happy hours of watching and discussing Somerset cricket together. May he rest in peace.
As to the match today, many congratulations on a thoroughly deserved win. Everybody did their bit and a special congratulation to the Man of the Match, Jamie Overton.
A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.
I have the two days already pencilled in as 'personal' days for that AG. Never been there for the end of a CC season when we were in a situation to win it. Though Grizz and I were almost on the airport runway a couple of years ago.
It could be a 'treble' event as the T20 Finals day is just before it and we are in the mix for that too!!
But optimism does not suit us so let us see how things go and take it as it comes.
What a glorious day in splendid company and with perfect cricket-watching weather.
Our bowling and fielding were electric and indicated we are blessed with a profoundly whole-hearted team. Davey got the match going in the right direction very early on and then all the bowlers joined in. Watching Jove at his finest - and occasionally his fastest - was a joy (and reminded me of my wise decision not to play against him in this life or the next).
Then came that tremendous start by Banton and Azhar that ensured there was never much doubt about the result. It was my first sighting of Banton and it is hard not to predict a brilliant future for him. After the loss of the openers I was much impressed by the extemely sensible batting of Trego and Hildreth, demonstrating what they have learned from their long experience about the importance of keeping the score moving even if the boundaries temporarily dry up. Then in the latter part of the innings Hildreth demonstrated his utter mastery and would in my opinion have been a good candidate for the MotM - not that I begrudge Jove the award.
Much more I could write but all that sunshine and excitement has sapped what was left of my energy for today. But I must end by offering my condolences to Stevecav. How sad that his dad did not live to enjoy today as much as the rest of us have,
Absolutely fantastic day out in great company watching our boys do their stuff.
Taunton Cardiff Hove Taunton Bristol Taunton Taunton Worcester Nottingham London
Around 1500 miles travelled, 10 of the 11 matches attended (Radlett a good one to miss!)
Man of the match - JAMIE OVERTON
Now at least we can scrap this ridiculous loan nonsense and bring Jamie back home where he belongs & let him start taking Somerset red ball wickets towards the real trophy we want this season, yesterday was purely a warm up for the proper one in September.
A real shame we are now locked out of the CACG so those unluckly enough not to have made it yesterday have 5 weeks until they can give the boys a clap.
A very well deserved week off coming up before a HUGE month of June starts at Guildford.
My condolences to stevecav. I’m glad that the last cricketing memory which he shared with his father was a happy one, with the win at Worcester.
Many congratulations to the team and management for a masterful performance yesterday. I’m particularly pleased for Trego and Hildreth - two players who have experienced so many runners-up positions and who given Somerset cricket and its supporters so much (often as brothers in arms).
Both Banton (with some audacious and breathtaking shots) and Hildreth (who took responsibility for getting us past the target and who played with his usual elegance) would have been worthy winners of the MotM award. But it was right that the award went to a bowler - Davey and Jove between them shaped the match. I’ve never seen Jove bowl better - he was measured, quick and hostile; and apart from in the last over slog, was very economical. Somerset fielded brilliantly, especially LG, Jove and Abell, and this must have added to the pressure on the Hampshire batsmen.
I was surprised that Hampshire picked six bowlers - it meant that the middle-order batsmen felt unable to take risks, because they knew how little was to follow.
It was a pleasure to share the day with LoL and Bobstan - and to chat to Bloke/Si and Wimborne John (each of whom is late of this parish).
It felt a real privilege that the team decided to sing the team song in front of the supporters, rather than in the dressing room (have a look on the official Twitter feed or Facebook page, if you’ve not seen it).
One vignette as the on-field celebrations were dying down - as I was leaving, I saw Craig Overton gently and sympathetically shepherding a young supporter, much the worse for wear, off the pitch and onto the spectator area, so that the supporter wouldn’t fall foul of the stewards. A lesser man would have left the supporter to his own devices, but Craig broke away from his fellow players to perform that act of kindness and responsibility, out of the main public gaze.
Of the five finals that I've seen, in person, the highest quality in terms of a passage of play came in our most recent win, when we had Flintoff, at his fastest and most hostile, versus Graeme Smith at his most belligerent, in that T20 Finals Day that went on to nearly midnight, at the Oval.
Equally, the most dissapointing SCCC performance was also in a T20 - with a meek capitulation vs Leics at Edgbaston in the Final.
I am feeling very fortunate, as I've never yet been at a final where Somerset have lost !
Having been at Lord's in 1979 & again for the B & H wins in the early 1980's, I was also at the C & G 'Boswell' Final in 2001, but didn't travel over for the 2010 final. Nor have I ever been to any of the T20 finals days.
So I'm looking forwards to being at the first Trent Bridge final next year, whatever the format of the new tournament is.
Meantime, let's see if we can win this Championship thing ....
Well, that was a fantastic team effort. There has been some criticism on this board at times about Somerset not always performing as a team - not this time. I'm not sure whether Somerset would have batted it they'd won the toss - I think they back themselves chasing. Either way, they clearly had a plan, and rarely have I seen a team stick to the battleplan so diligently.
The Sky commentators somewhat grudgingly finally had to admit that Somerset were better in all departments – and convincingly so, batting, bowling and fielding. Davey never looks that threatening, but could have been close to man of the match for his opening spell, which set the tone beautifully, especially as he clearly had a bit of a niggle. But the bowlers kept a beautiful line and length, they never got after van der Merwe who looked more of a threat than the much-vaunted Crane. The fielding was first rate; I had a very bad feeling when Hildreth dropped that catch in the slips, but I needn't have worried.
I also thought the commentators overly bigged up the effects of Hants final three overs. Yes, it was a good finish for them, but Somerset would have take a score of 244 every day of the week. With a team that bats down to 10 and on what most people agreed was a wicket 'full of runs', that looked massively below par. And so the first few overs proved.
Maybe if Fidel had bowled from the other end, who knows. It's all very well bowling at 92mph, but if it's a leg-side half-volley a player like Banton (just how good is he!?) is going to hit them all day long, and that 4-6-4 made Hampshire's innings look inadequate. Somerset were able to win at a counter with only one six on the scorecard.
Great captaincy from Abell, and if he'd got a score he could also have been a contender for MOTM. As for Hildreth's batting... he scored at more than a run a ball while never looking like he was hurrying, partly the result of the lack of 'scoreboard pressure', partly the fact he's such a quality batsman.
If Somerset were to go on and win the CC (I'm not counting chickens here) with a young team featuring a lot of home-grown talent, it would make even more of a mockery of the ECB's treatment of them. Frankly, the ECB can stick the Hundred up their a**e.
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A brilliant win and to be honest one that never really looked in doubt. Being a Hampshire member but born and bred in Bath, I always want Somerset to win when they play Hampshire but am always happy for Hampshire to beat anybody else. Hope to get down to Taunton for some of the CC match against Hampshire in July as I’ve never been to Taunton a lot but really enjoyed our time at the equivalent match last season in May. I know the Bowl isn’t popular with most on here but we enjoy it as a stadium but accept that’s it’s not a proper cricket ground like Taunton. Might even try and make the last CC game of the season if we are looking like potential pennant winners!
Do you think the RLC trophy will be paraded in front of the Hampshire fans at what will be the next home match in July?
sfwithers: Abell said afterwards that he'd have batted first if he'd won the toss, while in the semifinal he'd have bowled first.
stevecav: condolences and sympathies for your recent loss.
There was a guy at Lord's yesterday, and walking back towards Paddington, with Exterminate Cricket Board printed on the back of a blue tshirt - if the first word had been Execrable, I'd have known who it was!
I've been right through my news apps on my phone. 150+ pages of UK sport on Flipchart. No mention of yesterday at all. WC cricket references, report on yesterdays game at Southampton. NO domestic cricket at all
Microsoft Launcher newsfeed. 40+ swipes no mention again. cricket stories yes but all WC related
Are the ECB press agency and marketing departmenta inept or is there a policy of keeping the spotlight on its initiatives at the expense of anything else in domestic cricket?
If I was Royal London I'd want my sponsorship money back or a damn big refund. Was there any national coverage last night?
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It was in about the 8th position on the BBC cricket website.
Royal London do,indeed, deserve a refund.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a clause in their deal committing the Egotistical Cricket Board to ‘use best endeavours to gain publicity for the competition,” and they’ve plainly done nothing of the sort.
In a brief report on the match yesterday evening Radio Five managed to say that Somerset, without the services of Vince who was playing for England, beat Hampshire! That makes the win even more remarkable.
I think it’s really unfair that Hampshire Seconds are being made to play during the World Cup purdah period, given that two of their number will have been removed to play for the Firsts, to cover for the absence of Vince and Dawson.
The country's 2nd domestic sport is not seen as worthy of news coverage while the governing body complain bitterly about a lack of young person participation. How do people start to participate when they are totally unaware of events or games taking place. Do they have a PR department or is it just '100' only a year before it starts?
Was the England warm up covered? Bet the ECB spinners were out pushing that, shaking hands, making calls, pulling in favours, sending emails.
Hypocrits are everywhere.
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Great great day.
Although London born and bred, my first game I ever attended was as a 10 yr old at the 1983 WC final. I remember being entranced by Viv Richards and the next year I watched Somerset v Lancashire on BBC2 in the John Player League and that was when I decided to support Somerset.
I didn't even know where the place was but I get down there once a season with pals and it's always worth the day out, whatever the weather.
I had the privilege to take my 11 yr old on Saturday, an avid Middlesex fan, who was mightily impressed with the Somerset support and songs and, even better, tonight in the nets after colts practice wanted to 'sweep like Tom Banton'.
Really hope this team can go and win more.
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As an avid supporter I felt utter delight on Somerset winning. That it was one of the few games that didn't shred my nerves, I am grateful! But the obvious joy shown by the players made the occasion so much sweeter. Tom lifted the trophy, but thereafter it seemed to become the personal property of Pete Trego, just about every photo I have seen, he is holding it aloft. After ten runners up medals I am so pleased he now has a winners medal.
How fitting that Hildy hit the winning runs, it just seemed right.
With luck the "young guns" will have many more days like Saturday, but it was fantastic that
it happened while we still have Pete!
An excellent display by the whole team on Saturday, which I enjoyed from the comfort of my home.
MOTM was a difficult choice, and it would have been deserving for either James Hildreth or Tom Banton to have been so rewarded, but only one player can win it, so well done to Jamie Overton.
I am unclear (and will probably never know) why both Jamie and Craig Overton in their post match interviews said exactly the same thing - that it had been "a difficult few weeks for Jamie" - obviously the time coinciding with his loan deal to Northants.
I was also impressed with the interviews with both Pete Trego and Tom Abell. Pete always looks comfortable behind a microphone, no doubt in view of his experience of presenting some programmes on an obscure TV channel, which I have to confess never having tuned into. Tom was calm and dignified, and in paying tribute to our opponents said that it was always sad that one side had to lose. Somerset supporters know that feeling only too well of course, but it was pleasing to hear our captain acknowledge that to the public, without drawing too much attention to our record of being placed second so many times.
The season continues and we have much to look forward to, whether in actual attendance or via the media.
I think it’s fairly obvious, CP, that Jamie hated being sent out on loan.
However, I also think that Saturday was, by far, his best performance of the white ball campaign. So, with hindsight, he might reflect that first-team bowling at Northants was actually better prep for him than second team cricket with Somerset would have been.
Of course, he would have preferred first team cricket with Somerset but no player that isn’t of proven international class can expect to simply walk back into a winning side (winning in red ball games, I mean).
But then again there is that little niggling bias that creeps in with the name 'Overton' Clarence.
You think young professionals can dictate where they go and what they do as far as the club is concerned? They nay have been involved in the discussions or not. I don't know... do you?
Where is your evidence that Jamie's response was not the same as Dom's?
There is nothing in any of the reports that I have seen that says 'the Overton's' complained about the situation to management or were awkward about it in any way.
I am sure that both players would have rather fought for their place in Taunton. I'm sure they were both disappointed not to be there and although I think they may both see it differently after Saturday both of them may have had a hard time adapting to different environments.
The fact that one said it was difficult and the other didn't gives you very little to criticise character on. But give you an Overton 'inch' and you usually make the most of it.
Seems to have been the right decision for both and with luck we'll see the effect in Dom very soon as well.
Clarence - regardless of JO’s true wishes, it may have been communicated to him by AH/JK (more likely implied than stated outright) that a dim view would be taken of any refusal by a player to go out on loan. In which case? Sure, he wasn’t being forced at gun-point, but...
Mike TA1 A quickly arrange public gathering for the public before the lock-down on Friday.
Following the formal media call, a public event will take place in St James Street Car Park (16:30 - 18:00) with the full squad in attendance.
Identical twins with mirror-image handedness is a well-known phenomenon (I knew a pair at school, incidentally).
However it does seem unlikely that Jamie could bowl at such pace with his right arm if he were left-handed. (Jack Leach's throwing arm is hardly a comparison).
Actually, to my eyes at least, the hair in the pic in question looks too dark for either Jamie or Roley - though the last signature on the bat looks vaguely like R...Merwe and the shot suggests he may have been lifting his pen after signing, so probably RvdM and the hair colour is a trick of the light.
Either that or Mike got the picture the wrong way round, which is surely inconceivable.
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