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CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 08:24

Not expecting many people will come to this thread given the ECB says the tournament doesn't matter haha.

Anyway as over 5,000 came to see us beat Worcestershire last weekend and more watched online worldwide...

Are we better at batting first? Will Tom give a Captain's innings? Is Jack in the side to support our centurions? Who will take a 5-for?

And team selection, if it ain't broke then don't. Unless you are in a silo at Lord's.

All welcome to post, not just Mums and Kids. We love you Yorkshire, birthplace of Matt Renshaw, but we love Somerset more



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Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: That Bloke With The Dog (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 09:13

Just the one spinner again, with conditions forecast to be unpleasantly cool. Could be hard for a finger spinner to grip the ball. I'd stick with Leach for this match, simply because the Yorkshire middle order comprises solely right-handers.

If Byrom's shoulder can't be risked, then I'd be looking to Renshaw to open and a recall for Trego. You can't keep naming an XI for the whole season without Pete Trego and still call it a Somerset team. Them's the rules.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 09:20

Would love to see Dom Bess in the team but how/where ?

Given that Jack wasn’t even asked to bowl until the very end of the Worcs game, it’s tough to see how DB gets in, unless the pitch is very different.

Some runs from EB and SD would be welcome.

Grizzzly

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 09:23

If EB is injured, I guess another option would be for Tom to revert to opening with Marcus and bring in Trigger (who has an excellent track record v. York’s.) at number five.

Grizzzly

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 09:25

If Eddie's shoulder is still bad, how about Renshaw at 2, Abell 3 and Bess 6? (Though TBwtD's comment on Trego is quite right too).

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 10:08

I'd be cautious about promoting Dom as a prospective batting replacement at this stage of his career. For that is what we will need if Byrom is unfit for Friday (and with Jack bowling just 10 balls v Worcestershire don't kid me we need his extra bowling)

A first class century in the Champion County match is a fine thing. But it will be a lot different batting in April at Taunton to the slow turner of Rumbai.

If they don't want to move Tom back to the top 3 (and on balance I'd be reluctant) then Renshaw to open and Bartlett at 3 would be another possibility.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 12:00

I fear that Renshaw opening and Bartlett at three is the solution that they would alight upon. But I'd rather Tom three and Peter at six.

I'd also rather we try to prepare something dry that turns. I can't really believe George Dobell's idea that we've decided to go away from that to try and keep LG happy - it would be a nonsense. Pitch strategy must be determined by what gives you the best chance of winning games. In an era when the away team can insert the home team without a toss, that strategy really shouldn't be grassy tracks for Somerset.

Yes, we beat Worcs. But they're a strong bet to finish last (a stronger one than Yorkshire. For example, their number three hasn't managed so much as a single 50 since September 2016!!). And, if Worcs had been able to catch James Hildreth, then there's every chance that we wouldn't have prevailed in that one.

We do not have a relative advantage in seam bowling compared to other teams (Worcs pretty much matched us in seam bowling in the recent game, for example), but we have an *overwhelming* relative advantage in spin bowling.

So, I for one, don't want to see lots of grass and four seamers again vs Yorkshire. IF we follow that approach, I think there's a strong chance of coming unstuck against the likes of Brooks and Coad.

So I'd still far rather have a dry track and two spinners and I hope that the first track was a kind of weather-related accident rather than a misguided attempt to alter our strategy.



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Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 12:04

The other thing that will bear watching will be Trescothick in the slips.

If the first game was just a blip? Fine.

If not? Then there's a huge problem as you can't very well field him anywhere else, can you?

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 12:29

Here are the numbers on the seamers picked by the two sides for the round just finished in our case (or finishing today in the case of the Yorkies).

I don't know whether they'll have to play J Shaw vs us, or whether they will have somebody else back and available again?

Somerset

Cove - Ave 26.76, S/R 51.2

LG - Ave 27.88, S/R 48.6

Tim - 29.72, S/R 57.6

Josh - 28.73, S/R 55.1

Yorks

Brooks - ave 27.25, S/R 46.8

Coad - ave 21.16, S/R 43.6

Bresnan - ave 30.98, S/R 59.9

Shaw - ave 39.39, s/r 60.4

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So, pace wise, the only relative advantage would be Davey vs Shaw (if they're forced to pick Shaw again, they may not be).

Statistically, there's relative disadvantage with the new ball.

And if we prepare something well grassed and juicy, there's a stone-cold certainty that Yorkshire will simply send us in, and it seems unlikely that they would drop a succession of sitters a la Worcs.

Our relative advantage of Davey vs Shaw, may count for nothing if we're 5 or 6 down by the time Shaw has to bowl.

Now, spin wise? What do Yorkshire have?

Azeem Rafiq - ave 39.49 and S/R 74.6

And what do we have?

KING Jack - ave 26.33 S/R 59.33

Dom - ave 21.4, S/R 41.3!!!!!!!!!!!!

SPOT THE RELATIVE ADVANTAGE THAT WE HOLD HERE.

So, IF, it's possible for Simon Lee and team to produce a turner, then the determination of which strategy to follow really should be a no-brainer....

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 15:13

Considering that last season we were (supposedly) going with the prepare-a-turning-pitch policy it was a strategy that didn't exactly pay off. I suspect this was more to do with the fact that the English climate is not conducive to producing such pitches in April. And this spring has bern even wetter than last year.

I'd be happy come Friday with a pitch offering some pace and bounce. If prevailing conditions on the day means it swings so be it. And tell the batters to leave all their fancy shots in the locker till the white ball stuff and PLAY STRAIGHT!

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 15:31

That's as maybe, but we've certainly shown we can do it later in the season and it would be folly if we really have abandoned that as a strategy, as per the sort of comment that George D has made in his reports to that effect.

Last season was one of almost unprecedented batting failure with everybody out of form at the same time (apart from Elgar). And I don't think we can put that at the door of the turning tracks because the first few games (home and away) didn't do that much... the rot had already set in by the time we got to the turning track stage of the season.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 16:19

How about,

Yorkshire win toss and bat first, scoring 256
Then, Marcus makes over 40 whilst Yorkshire hold a few catches
Matt Renshaw has worked out he doesn't need to do much to top Somerset's batting averages
More runs are piled on by the visitors
When all seems lost, Dom comes to bat thinking of the Lions

That's enough jinxing, but don't expect a pushover as we need to bat and field better than with Worcs

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 16:31

We do.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 19:41

Like I said yesterday , a lot depends on whether they use the same wicket as the Worcester game as it is only 2.5 days old.Mike might be able to confirm yes or no if it's the same pitch.
In which case bat I would bat first and bring in Roelof or Bess instead of an injured Byron.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23 April, 2018 23:12

Regarding the Yorkshire match pitch, I haven't looked yet to see what pitch it will be played on.

In say that, according to the rules the same pitch can't be used for two consecutive first class match within seven days of the finish of the first match. So it should be a different pitch.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 24 April, 2018 06:57

Yes. We might get the Worcs pitch out again for whatever our next home CC fixture is (after the Yorkies).

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 24 April, 2018 08:03

Gosh is our next (after next) home CC game that far away? Yorkshire don't play in the competition again at Headingley until August 29th against ?

You can have your shiny silver button back if you guess correctly



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Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: AG on apple (IP Logged)
Date: 24 April, 2018 10:02

Good grief. I had to look it up (so you can keep the button). I assumed you were joking, but you were not. Yorkshire really aren't playing a CC match at Headingley until Wed Aug 29 against us - absurd. Disgraceful.

As a separate point, it doesn't suit us to play at Leeds. We almost never win there. I always want to see us at North Marine Road instead.

Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 24 April, 2018 11:01

lack of home games at Headingley could well be due to this.




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Re: CC1 vs Yorkshire, Taunton.. Team Selection and More
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 24 April, 2018 11:43

I remember our Headingley fixture scheduled for mid Sept 2008 was hastily rearranged to Scarborough at short notice so they could 'do something to their pitch'!

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