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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2020 15:57

Moores with 50 and Pattinson and Broad with a 91 run partnership revitalise Notts in the afternoon session and they go into Tea still alive at 261 for 9. A little bit better than their situation at Lunch one has to say and Somerset have let them off the leash a little.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2020 16:26

Am I right in thinking Broad scored (virtual) runs against us in the game a few weeks ago? Is this the same Stuart Broad who hasn't known one end of a cricket bat from the other in recent years? I demand an investigation.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2020 18:03

He used to recognise a bat.

Though he did have trouble with the concept of when he had and hadn't hit the ball at times.

Batting has certainly not been his forte any time recently in the real world. This is true.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07 June, 2020 18:40

So Day 1 ends with a better position than Notts would have expected. 291 all out with Somerset at 74 for 1 by the end of the day. We've been here before this season.....



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2020 10:35

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Though he did have trouble with the concept of when he had and hadn't hit the ball at times.

Seems to me that what caused him trouble was the extraordinary discrepancy between public perceptions of edging a ball to a wicket-keeper who catches it, and edging a ball to a wicket-keeper who drops it for slip to catch on the rebound.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2020 14:42

If only that was the case. But that is the difference between what happens and urban myths

The video evidence suggests something else I'm afraid. The keeper leaves it, makes no contact with the ball as it deviated to slip.

But there you go, one man's cheating is another man's optical illusion.

Quite a while ago now and he survived in the same way Smith has I suppose. People tend to forget that he got absolute stick for it, again in the same way Smith did.

Anyway....

A decent Somerset fantasy morning with the loss of Azhar for 63 and a healthy 164 for 2 at lunch on Day 2. 127 behind with 8 wickets to come. A job for Stuart to do this afternoon.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2020 16:17

I've watched the video several times as well and there is a very clear deflection off the keeper's gloves.
Not, self-evidently, that there is the slightest difference in ethical terms between edging to the keeper and leaving the decision to the umpire, and edging to slip and doing so (someone could have tried explaining this to the Australian yobbos who booed Broad when they were accustomed to cheering on Hayden, Ponting, Symonds and all the rest of their heroes for doing exactly the same. For all I know, possibly someone did).
Yes it was a long time ago but some people clearly consider it worth bringing up again, so it seems the point needs reiterating: whatever your views on the ethics of walking/not-walking, why single out Broad for doing what 95% of batsmen in the modern game have been doing for years (including Marcus)?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08 June, 2020 19:16

Wagging tail gives us an extra 41 at the end of the innings and we go 84 ahead with 29 minutes at the Notts openers

No wickets unfortunately and they will start Day 3 55 behind at 29 for 0

Not a bad day. The innings moved between strong and weak but the deep tail helped and Tom Abell at 5 was vital for the second half of the game.

I've obviously seen a different film on Youtube. The keeper's gloves don't open, he simply looks to the slip. But the question really is - Did he hit it?

Yep 95% of batsmen stand, some cheat, some are unsure. It's why we have technology. Crime studies suggest that the certainty of getting caught stops illegal acts.

Sometimes it is needed and sometimes it is used because the batsmen are dishonest/unsure.

Sometimes it catches them and if the Third Umpires had the ability to change obvious errors from the on the pitch official then the technology might cause less attempts to gain unfair advantages.

Looking to justify a decision because 95% of the people might do the same is not a justification.

It just calls for more legislation to aid the umpire and the game weed out those who will not follow the rules if they can get away with it.

A cheat is a cheat and if the rules don't catch them it does not change the definition of what cheating is. Cricket does not redefine it, it's rules just don't catch it all.... yet. I don't think it matters whether his name is Marcus or not

We'll probably disagree on what ought to have happened in that situation had the umpires on the whole had more power.

They didn't and there we go.

Notts need to bat long and deep tomorrow in FantasyLand



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 07:49

I'm not justifying it, as you will see if you read my post a little more carefully.
What I am doing in pointing out the invidiousness and illogicality of constantly singling Broad out for something which is such common practice.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 08:40

Well reading posts seems to also be more than a singular issue. Further reading will also note that I didn't 'single out' Broad over others. I just noted a point about his career.

You made it an issue of a singular nature. I class the non walkers together and would like to see technology decrease the issue because as you note it affects far too many.

His was just a particularly obvious example that came up in conversation because he came up in conversation.

Like it or not, it is something he is known for because it is something he did and that's the reason it occasionally comes up as does Andy's painting and decorating career or Pete's penchant for tattoos.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 13:09

Notts look to bring this game into a 4th day, declare with a total and put us in to see if they can get the win.

However, to do that they need to bat well. Lewis Gregory and Jamie Overton come out to make that difficult for them this third day morning.

44 for 1 before a breakthrough But then Jove takes 2 for 13 off his first 3

And it keeps on going
49 for 2
51 for 3
57 for 4
75 for 5
81 for 6
Moores and Pattinson fight back
156 for 7 at lunch!! 72 ahead and almost dead and buried

This is becoming a trend. Our bowlers are playing out of their skins and we aren't using Tom as a 6th bowler all that often.

May be going to Headingley with a significant lead in the CC1!!



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 16:32

Notts are crippled and all out for 182 - a lead of only 98. 3-fers for all the seamers

This should not be a problem but you never know!!



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 18:03

Another game following the 2019 outcome.

Gregory and Jove, who had been rested previously, take 12 wickets between them. A little disappointing for our spinners taking only a match total of 4 wickets.

I do wonder what would happen if we play only 4 main bowlers?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 18:49

An 8 wicket victory for Somerset with Eddie and George both taking 41.

Somerset 175 points versus Yorkshire's 157 and the next game is Yorkshire at Headingly!!



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 20:57

A useful 40 from Roelof could have made the difference but at headingley Craig must surely come back assuming no further injuries. George Bartlett having a great fake season, just a shame its not for real. Banton and Carberry must be crying out for a chance but what can you do !!!

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09 June, 2020 21:53

True. And Abells move to 5 is working as well. What can you do?



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