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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 08:49

Happy with that.Dont know if SD would be happy dropping to 7 after his 90 in the last game though

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 11:04

Given without Leach and Bess there is no ideal solution I could live with that. Brooks has proved me wrong more than once this season so, whilst I think Davey would be the safer option Craig O and vdM can both keep it tight and, as SLLL says we do need 20 wickets. A win here would give us aat least a one-game cushion with three to play. Davies, last season at least, showed himself very capable of staying with our lower order while they hit out so may be a better option at seven than Banton who would also have Davies to secure an end.

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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 12:01

What do you reckon about us bowling first? It's not often I say that, but look at the weather conditions.

This simulation seems to have very high first innings scores for the side batting first. Can we limit them somehow to 250 and then get 320? A Warwickshire second innings collapse for 100 would leave us needing 30?

That is the thinking anyhow: outscore them with our strength in batting and let the pitch do the rest. Though if we batted first and made 250, then maybe they could collapse first innings?

Another outcome is we get totally hammered for lack of wicket taking... that is what this discussion is about. I call it covering my posterior, others may refer to it as due diligence

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 12:11

I may have to run a poll for batsmen. Hope that Banton would be up and coming by now but unsure that his first class record based on 2019 is that hot

We are still working on our 2020 perceptions versus the 2019 perceptions of the PC to some extent.

The general consensus seems to be to opt for RvdM as the only spinner and not opt for an unknown youngster or Max at first class (history would suggest that the machine would assume he would be expensive - though if it wasn't an important match it might be worth the experiment).

The only 2 questions seem to be

Davey or Brooks - with this pitch I'm not sure I'd personally go with Brooks

Carberry or Banton - extra man at 7 though I would not move Davies from 6 after Yorkshire
I'd also not put Carberry at 7, he would have to open with Ali - meaning moving Eddie to 7!

We could of course go with both Carberry AND Banton offering Carberry as another possible slow man IF the pitch does take spin in the second half.

What are your thought selectors. I'd like to run this game from TOMORROW if possible.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 12:18

So the question areas as far as I can see

1. Ali
2.??
3. Bartlett
4. Hildreth
5. Abell
6. Davies (wk) or ??
7.?? or Davies (wk)
8. Craig Overton
9. RvdM
10. Jamie Overton
11??

Perm any three from Byrom, Banton, Carberry, Davey, Brooks



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 13:19

I think after the discussion there is some consensus around which most of us could live:

Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Banton, Davies, Gregory, Cove, vdM, Brooks

It isn't ideal, but none of the suggestions are because of the impossibility of replacing Leach and Bess on a pitch that will probably turn. I would be happy with Davies at six or seven. There are arguments either way.

Whatever the team, have a toss, and if we win it then bat. There are only rare occasions when I would insert, and this isn't one of them. If the pitch is going to deteriorate, use the best of it, and get the runs on the board early (Ask WG). Inserting would put huge pressure on our depleted bowling attack, and on our batsmen if Warwickshire got away. Runs on the board would take the pressure off vdM and Azhar and give them time to apply some pressure on batsmen facing the pressure of a decent total on a pitch that is unlikely to improve.

Farmer

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 13:25

Byrom ,Banton and Brooke’s.
Would also swap Jamie for Gregory (not on your list Grockle)

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 15:06

And bat Lewis at 8?



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 15:11

Bowling selection here for me is on who would take the most wickets. That would be Leach by a mile, so without him I would suggest Gregory as it's a bouncy track and there is lots of cloud forecast for the start of the match. Then probably Brooks. And after that Jove, but I accept he should be rested. vdM on a turning track is the wildcard. A quick look at Wiki says his best first class figures are 4/22

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 16:18

OK

Ali
Byrom
Bartlett
Hildreth
Abell
Davies
Gregory
Banton
RvdM
Overton C
Brooks

Ask for a toss. If we win we bat.

Use Ali if required and Eddie at a push.

I won't drop Steve down or put Tom in front of Lewis based on PC stats in this season.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2020 11:32

We won the toss with the side above and we will bat



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2020 12:12

Thanks for the update, Come On Somerset

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2020 12:40

Can you give us a link to the live stream Grockle 😂😂😂

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2020 18:52

Funnily enough I did check that out but the video slows the game play down and the audio is not there. May do it IF we get to a CC1 title game.

Day 1 not wonderful.... report will be there a little later.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Warwickshire @ Edgbaston
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 10:22

Sorry PC and wifi conspired not to allow me to put Day 1 on last night. Will do it this morning



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 11:16

238 all out with only Azhar really firing. Miles 5 for 70

But Cove did a little to redress the balance with 2 for 14 before the end of play Bell out first ball.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 12:36

34 for 2 at the start of play. All out just 1 hour and 30 minutes later for 82!! Cove 6 for 19, 2 for RvdM in his first over and LG takes the last 2

Do we enforce? 156 runs ahead with 2 days and 2 sessions to go? I'll leave it for an hour or so....



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 13:47

The weather conditions for the afternoon session of day 2 look bad for batting.

This pitch is going to deteriorate as the game progresses.

Difficult one, I would ask them to follow on, but when we did that against Kent... they made 350+. It wouldn't be nice to chase 200 on this pitch.

However, I don't expect Warwickshire to score that many. Are they bottom in the division?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 13:53

Think they were bottom

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 @Warwickshire Grin and Bear it?
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 25 June, 2020 14:06

Head on block time. Bat again. Teams usually do better second time around following on. We wouldn't want to chase many against Patel given the behviour of the pitch. If we collapse it does open up te risk of Warks being presented with a target they might just see as achievable and concentrate their minds. There is risk either way. but, I think, unless there is any real indication that the pitch might improve, there is less risk batting again.

Ali's innings is interesting. Sounds like a very similar performance to the one against Ashwin last year.

Farmer

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