Match report nearly 100 years too late
59 runs.
By Chunky In Argyll
February 26 2023
When I first met Chunky In Argyllat Lords , I encouraged him to write a match report for MTWD . Close to what seems like 100 years later Chunky has complied. He starts with memories on what watching sport 1923. Then we have an account of Middlesex Somerset game 9th March 1923. Our beloved game has changed so much. We look forward Chunky's next offering 2123. Thank you chunky for sharing. Enjoy.
Just before we start the match report, a bit more background.
On his way to the match Seaxe_Man would have been able to see the newly constructed Empire Stadium (Wembley to you and me) from his Metropolitan Railway carriage. It was opened less than a fortnight earlier on 28th April and was the famous 'White horse final'. Bolton Wanderers beat West Ham United 2-0. The stadium was constructed in just under a year and had a capacity of 125,000, but reports suggest as many as 300,000 may have attended. PC George Scorey on his white horse Billie is credited with clearing the playing surface of spectators so the game could proceed.
And on the back page of his copy of The Times, Seaxe_Man would have read that yesterday Surrey had defeated today's opponents Somerset by just ten runs in a very tight contest at Bath. However, the real news was that during that match Jack Hobbs had completed his hundredth first class century.
And so to Lord's 9th March 1923
Cricinfo doesn't tell us if Middlesex won the toss and asked Somerset to bat, or if they chose to bat. Whichever way it was, Somerset proceeded at two an over (not considered particularly slow at the time) and were dismissed for 136 in 68.4 overs. Leg spinner Jack Hearne 6-55 in 19.4 overs (spin on day one!) Top scorer for Somerset was their wicket-keeper Malcolm (commonly known as 'Dar') Lyon with 46. After cricket, Lyon perused a legal career and became Chief justice of The Seychelles.
Middlesex's first innings was more successful-338 all out, with opener Harry Lee top scoring with 109. Patsy Hendren 59. During the war Harry Lee had been shot in the leg at Neuve Chappelle and lay injured between the lines for three days. He was assumed to be dead and a memorial service was held. In fact he had been captured by the enemy and was repatriated. He made one test appearance against South Africa in 1931, but was a Middlesex stalwart, with a career spanning 1911-1934. Just over 20,000 runs at an average of 29.95 Somerset's most productive bowler was Archiebald (commonly known as Tom) Young 4-102 in 32 overs. He is described as often being in ill health due to lung damage incurred in the war. A right arm spinner, he too head a lengthy first class career, from 1911-1933, and died at the age of 45, three years after his last match.
Somerset did better in their second innings, 346 all out, Captain John Daniel (also a rugby union international) was joint top scorer with 68. Another with a lengthy first class career (1898-1927). The other joint scorer, Peter Johnson, was yet another with a lengthy first class career (1901-1927). Apparently, he always sported a silk cravat while playing. I'll provide links to all those I've name checked once the article is up. Hearne was again successful 3-111 and was joint leading wicket taker with Frederick (known as Jack) Durston) 3-59. He was also a footballer for QPR and Brentford.
So, Middlesex were set 145 runs to win.
We ended on 107-6 in 29 overs, which suggests we made an effort to chase the runs, but we lost three wickets in quick succession, all on 106. What I can't do is deduce if we shut up shop maybe six overs before the end, because we lost those three wickets, or if Jack White (4-47) took three wickets in the last over when it didn't really matter. Another spinner with a lengthy first class career (1909-1937)
Approximately 355 overs were bowled in three days, so about 120 a day, meaning 20 overs an hour. Again, not unusual for the time, Today 4x96 overs gives you a maximum possible 384 overs (assuming all innings finished at lunch, or tea, so no overs lost). And those overs were bowled in six playing hours a day. No playing on until a certain agreed number of overs had been bowled. Therefore a three day match a hundred years ago was worth three and two thirds of a days play today.
We'll have a look at a game v Surrey next, and an opportunity to travel on the City and South London railway a few months before it closed for modernisation (tunnels widened and platforms lengthened).
Match report nearly 100 years too late
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Date: 26/02/2023 21:45
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2023 23:23
According to commentator Kevin Foot, the England selectors were keeping a close eye on every Middlesex player...
Adelaide
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2023 07:14
Of Course 9th March 1923, should have been 9th May Global warming and climate change wasn't a thing back then! Here's the scorecard-
[static.espncricinfo.com]
It was our first championship match of the season- a whole month later than today.
After the match (quite a lot after the match-13 years to be precise, Kevin Hand spoke to Patsy Hendren-
[www.youtube.com]
And then, three years later in 1940, Mr Chulmondley-Warner also spoke to PH-
[www.youtube.com]
and some film of him playing-
[www.youtube.com]
Those two clips help lift Patsy Hendren off the page, so we get to see the man, rather than just read about him.
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[static.espncricinfo.com]
It was our first championship match of the season- a whole month later than today.
After the match (quite a lot after the match-13 years to be precise, Kevin Hand spoke to Patsy Hendren-
[www.youtube.com]
And then, three years later in 1940, Mr Chulmondley-Warner also spoke to PH-
[www.youtube.com]
and some film of him playing-
[www.youtube.com]
Those two clips help lift Patsy Hendren off the page, so we get to see the man, rather than just read about him.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2023 07:37
The wiki entries for the main protagonists-
For Somerset Dar Lyon-
[en.wikipedia.org]
Tom Young-
[en.wikipedia.org])
John Daniell-
[en.wikipedia.org])
P R Johnson (apparently that was how he was known)-
[en.wikipedia.org]#
All four had interesting lives, so worth a read if you have the time. (edit- it looks like for a couple of them you'll have to click on 'spotsman' to get to the right link)
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For Somerset Dar Lyon-
[en.wikipedia.org]
Tom Young-
[en.wikipedia.org])
John Daniell-
[en.wikipedia.org])
P R Johnson (apparently that was how he was known)-
[en.wikipedia.org]#
All four had interesting lives, so worth a read if you have the time. (edit- it looks like for a couple of them you'll have to click on 'spotsman' to get to the right link)
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2023 07:51
And for Middlesex-
Patsy Hendren-
[en.wikipedia.org]
Harry Lee (if you don't have time to read all the links, make sure you read this one)-
[en.wikipedia.org])
Frederick (Jack) Durston-
[en.wikipedia.org]
and Jack Hearne (who used to post on this forum allegedly)-
[en.wikipedia.org]
All these entries worth a read if you have the time.
Patsy Hendren-
[en.wikipedia.org]
Harry Lee (if you don't have time to read all the links, make sure you read this one)-
[en.wikipedia.org])
Frederick (Jack) Durston-
[en.wikipedia.org]
and Jack Hearne (who used to post on this forum allegedly)-
[en.wikipedia.org]
All these entries worth a read if you have the time.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2023 07:48
Oh well, if I'd wanted any replies I should have stuck to writing about the underground!
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2023 10:24
Quote:chunkyinargyll
And then, three years later in 1940, Mr Chulmondley-Warner also spoke to PH-
Notable initials - Patsy Hendren, Peter Handscomb and someone else whose name I cannot remember! Not to mention the Ph scale.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2023 12:15
Thanks for those Wiki entries, Chunky. I found both the Middlesex and the Somerset ones really interesting.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Mark Drukker (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2023 15:41
When I watched Middlesex in the 1960s, 120 overs was normal in the 6 hour day (11.30-6.30). My chemistry teacher (the last amateur to play for Spurs 1st team) pointed to the lab assistant and said he was in the crowd at the white horse final (supporting West Ham).
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2023 16:16
Good read chunky. Another casualty was LJ Moon a first teamer for both Middlesex and Fulham who was killed in 1917. So didn't make this game. The Somerset guy with ill health sounds like a mustard gas victim. Lucky to have survived that. The Metropolitan Railway to this day still reliable, strikes permitting, in getting you to Lord's, MTS or Uxbridge. Radlett on St Pancras Line via West Hampstead and Richmond on the District Branch which I recall the genius Livingstone fondly known as Ken by some, wanted to close. Fortunately ejected before that could be put into action. We now a have new genius who wants to charge £12.50 a day to back out of the driveway for the drive to Radlett. Harrow not going along with that and neither are Herts.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2023 16:27
Another interesting comment about P R Johnson.
Somerset correctly registered his place of birth as Wellington, but conveniently neglected to specify 'Wellington, New Zealand' the suggestion being the powers that be might have assumed 'Wellington, Somerset' so it's possible he shouldn't have been eligible.
Well, that's what the wiki entry suggests. Maybe it's just one of those good stories that gains a life of it's own as the years go by, without actually being true.
Somerset correctly registered his place of birth as Wellington, but conveniently neglected to specify 'Wellington, New Zealand' the suggestion being the powers that be might have assumed 'Wellington, Somerset' so it's possible he shouldn't have been eligible.
Well, that's what the wiki entry suggests. Maybe it's just one of those good stories that gains a life of it's own as the years go by, without actually being true.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2023 16:45
Funny you should say that chunky as Wellington NZ has just staged a Test that has added to cricket history. Being only the fourth time that winning from following on has occurred. The first in 1895 was England captained I think by My Dear Glorious Stod, the then Mx skipper. The second in 1981 is within living memory. The other interesting feature of the Basin Reserve. Originally a lagoon which a 19th century earthquake raised by six feet to convert to a swamp. Prison labour then converted that to the ground we see to day.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2023 18:51
Quote:Seaxe_man1
Richmond on the District Branch which I recall the genius Livingstone fondly known as Ken by some, wanted to close. Fortunately ejected before that could be put into action.
SM - Have you got chapter and verse on that? You may be right but Livingstone Mark I was so keen on public transport that he slashed fares (until Lord Denning intervened), hardly the act of someone who would have wanted to close a line. Unless he wanted to run more North London Lines instead - now that line definitely was under repeated threat. Hard to think now what an Aunt Sally line it was for so long.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 08:08
I doubt Ken is going to admit that now Adelaide. I assume as the Overground route runs on the same tracks from Gunnersbury, Ken saw that as a saving. Not so hot if you want Kew Gardens from Hammersmith though. The 1923 map shows a reverse curve to Kew Bridge Station which would be handy for Brentford's Lionel Road ground now. Ken was also quoted as wanting to close North and West Harrow and Eastcote. Not to clever as nearest on Watford branch Harrow on the Hill and Rayner's Lane on the Uxbridge line. Eastcote is used by thousands daily.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 08:22
Seaxe_Man-
Are you sure about that?
It would be the total opposite of what Ken Livingstone stood for.
He was in a constant battle with the Conservative government, who most of the time wanted the exact opposite.
Livingstone might have been leader of the GLC (who implemented 'Fairs fare') but the government had all sorts of cost saving ideas, like closing lesser used stations, closing Marylebone altogether, because they thought the Met could handle all the traffic, and closing the West Ruislip branch of the Central and replacing it with a tram. That was the absolute lowest point for the underground. Low customer usage, and services about a third of what they are today. Fares fare enticed people back, and services started to build up again.
Are you sure about that?
It would be the total opposite of what Ken Livingstone stood for.
He was in a constant battle with the Conservative government, who most of the time wanted the exact opposite.
Livingstone might have been leader of the GLC (who implemented 'Fairs fare') but the government had all sorts of cost saving ideas, like closing lesser used stations, closing Marylebone altogether, because they thought the Met could handle all the traffic, and closing the West Ruislip branch of the Central and replacing it with a tram. That was the absolute lowest point for the underground. Low customer usage, and services about a third of what they are today. Fares fare enticed people back, and services started to build up again.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 08:47
Pretty sure Chunky. Attempts to close any would have generated well supported petitions as vast areas of Middlesex from Harrow to Ruislip would be affected. Not a vote winner methinks for dear old Ken.. Marylebone. I was an objector so got all of the paperwork. Some crackpot roadie professor, Adelaide knows his name. Wanted to turn it into a bus/coach terminal. This would have involved the bus running using train wheels as far as Northolt. The wheels would then be changed to road wheels to continue. This bloke represented the so called elite then and now. Thick as two short planks. Thatcher kicked that and the Settle to Carlisle into the long grass. Recognising not too many Tory votes there in Middlesex Bucks and beyond on the Marylebone front. Add pollution for Thunberg. There is logic there. If Ken was big on cheap fares. Savings to cover would need to be made somewhere. Stations closures being one. Inconvenience tough.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 12:29
It was Portillo who persuaded Thatcher that the Settle to Carlisle line should be saved. Not many Ministers over the years persuaded her to change what was laughingly called her mind.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 12:33
SM
There you go, Chunky. Get it back on public transport and the posts mount up!
Livingstone's approach would have mirrored that of South Yorkshire - keep the fares down and fund it from the rates, which only affect business and the rich, don't they? Pretty stupid but that was the thinking of his coterie. He was more balanced policywise (though not in many of his other views) in his second coming and more successful in boosting use of the system as a result.
The Marylebone absurdity came in 1983 in a report by Prof Peter Hall, commissioned by the National Bus Company, then the primary operator of express coach services. It looked like an idea whose time had come because it chimed in the right's enthusiasm for anything deregulated and not involving ongoing public funding (express coaches) over a subsidised rail system. I don't think Thatcher kicked it out; rather the difficulty of express coaches passing each other in the tunnels made it a non-starter without an expensive virtual rebuild. At much the same time there was a proposal to convert some London rail lines, including the North London Line, to roads (the right was in love with the car, remember). By then, however, I think people had twigged that if you increased road capacity, traffic tended to increase to fill it. Also there was the plain fact that a single carriageway road had to be wider than a twin track railway, so viaducts and tunnels were a bit of an obstacle. Again, practicality won against, shall we say, ideological preference.
Michael Portillo claims credit for saving Settle-Carlisle (which I used to get from London to a wedding in Bradford purely because it was expected to close; fortunately it was a sunny day). I doubt that Mrs T had any involvement.
You say "This bloke [Prof Hall] represented the so called elite then and now." Hang on a minute. According to some, today's elite is full of woke metropolitan Remainer planet-saving public transport-using human rights-loving lefties. I don't think much of that could have been said of Prof Hall, the businessmen who commissioned him or the politicians in charge at that time; they probably thought of themselves as challenging the elite, which in their mindset would probably have included civil servants pointing out how their conversion ideas just wouldn't work.
I'm not sure how useful words like elite actually are. I suspect that those falling within one person's definition of elite would identify a quite different group as elite. Far better to consider stuff on its merits that throwing labels like elite, woke, inappropriate around.
Adelaide
There you go, Chunky. Get it back on public transport and the posts mount up!
Livingstone's approach would have mirrored that of South Yorkshire - keep the fares down and fund it from the rates, which only affect business and the rich, don't they? Pretty stupid but that was the thinking of his coterie. He was more balanced policywise (though not in many of his other views) in his second coming and more successful in boosting use of the system as a result.
The Marylebone absurdity came in 1983 in a report by Prof Peter Hall, commissioned by the National Bus Company, then the primary operator of express coach services. It looked like an idea whose time had come because it chimed in the right's enthusiasm for anything deregulated and not involving ongoing public funding (express coaches) over a subsidised rail system. I don't think Thatcher kicked it out; rather the difficulty of express coaches passing each other in the tunnels made it a non-starter without an expensive virtual rebuild. At much the same time there was a proposal to convert some London rail lines, including the North London Line, to roads (the right was in love with the car, remember). By then, however, I think people had twigged that if you increased road capacity, traffic tended to increase to fill it. Also there was the plain fact that a single carriageway road had to be wider than a twin track railway, so viaducts and tunnels were a bit of an obstacle. Again, practicality won against, shall we say, ideological preference.
Michael Portillo claims credit for saving Settle-Carlisle (which I used to get from London to a wedding in Bradford purely because it was expected to close; fortunately it was a sunny day). I doubt that Mrs T had any involvement.
You say "This bloke [Prof Hall] represented the so called elite then and now." Hang on a minute. According to some, today's elite is full of woke metropolitan Remainer planet-saving public transport-using human rights-loving lefties. I don't think much of that could have been said of Prof Hall, the businessmen who commissioned him or the politicians in charge at that time; they probably thought of themselves as challenging the elite, which in their mindset would probably have included civil servants pointing out how their conversion ideas just wouldn't work.
I'm not sure how useful words like elite actually are. I suspect that those falling within one person's definition of elite would identify a quite different group as elite. Far better to consider stuff on its merits that throwing labels like elite, woke, inappropriate around.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 12:35
Quote:Bobstan
It was Portillo who persuaded Thatcher that the Settle to Carlisle line should be saved. Not many Ministers over the years persuaded her to change what was laughingly called her mind.
Now now, Bobstan. She had a mind all right, whether or not one agreed with it. Unlike some politicians who arrive in the job with an empty rather than open mind.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 15:20
Quote:Agree Bobstab Portillo played a part in saving the S and C. He is still connected I think. Thatcher would have had to have nodded though.Bobstan
It was Portillo who persuaded Thatcher that the Settle to Carlisle line should be saved. Not many Ministers over the years persuaded her to change what was laughingly called her mind.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 15:38
Adelaide. Marylebone.the final nail.. The mad professor's scheme envisaged that the Met could pick up the displaced Marylebone passengers. The Met said they were already at overload and could not do that. When the council's along the route. mostly Tory, didn't fancy the ensuing chaos and said so. The Iron Lady applied a massive boot into the long grass. This led to the heritage steam hauled Shakespeare Expresses run on Sundays from Marylebone to Stratford on Avon. Very popular. Mallard pulled a couple. Using the railway as it was intended. When the now rapidly expanding Chiltern Railways was created. There were no longer paths for Shakespeare which now runs from Birmingham New Street to Stratford.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 04/03/2023 15:49
SM
I'd be surprised if it got anywhere near a Cabinet discussion. The scheme just wasn't physically possible. I'm sure the councils kicked up a massive stink but even if they had said it was fine, it couldn't have happened. It might be possible with guided busways these days but as you say the Chiltern Line has thrived since.
I'd be surprised if the Met had really been at capacity then, given the vast growth in tube travel there has been since, but I suppose the stretches out into Herts and Bucks might not have shown
the same pattern.
Adelaide
I'd be surprised if it got anywhere near a Cabinet discussion. The scheme just wasn't physically possible. I'm sure the councils kicked up a massive stink but even if they had said it was fine, it couldn't have happened. It might be possible with guided busways these days but as you say the Chiltern Line has thrived since.
I'd be surprised if the Met had really been at capacity then, given the vast growth in tube travel there has been since, but I suppose the stretches out into Herts and Bucks might not have shown
the same pattern.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 00:40
SM
Oh, by the way, did you have anything linking Livingstone to a proposal to close the Richmond branch?
Adelaide
Oh, by the way, did you have anything linking Livingstone to a proposal to close the Richmond branch?
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 08:02
Richmond/Ken. Reported in MSM at the time. The mad professor's wheel changing at Northolt would have required a large facility to do so. No space. Northolt Park at the end of a shopping cul de sac. Can't see Ealing Council nodding that through or Hillingdon if shoved down to South Ruislip. Sounds fraught with accident possibility to all concerned. As I said earlier and you have added Adelaide. No one with sense would have entertained and wasted time and money on the plan? But then again there was no shortage of short planks then or now. Remoaners own most of em if you read MSM or Google and You Tube.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 11:51
What's MSM, SM?
The Marylebone plan was essentially born of the more extreme free market ideology and that ideology came from the right, where not many Remainers ("Remoaners" is not worthy of you) lurk.
Earlier, Prof Hall had apparently proposed converting Liverpool Street to roads as well. This got less traction - perhaps the ideologues weren't in charge then - but according to one source online it was taken to pieces by New Scientist who pointed out that his scheme was silent on what to do at junctions.
Adelaide
The Marylebone plan was essentially born of the more extreme free market ideology and that ideology came from the right, where not many Remainers ("Remoaners" is not worthy of you) lurk.
Earlier, Prof Hall had apparently proposed converting Liverpool Street to roads as well. This got less traction - perhaps the ideologues weren't in charge then - but according to one source online it was taken to pieces by New Scientist who pointed out that his scheme was silent on what to do at junctions.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 12:49
Quote:MSM Adelaide is short for Mainstream Media which as you say and I agree is overrepresented with leftwing Remainers in relation to the UK at large. The words Remainer/Remoaner depending on your preference, should be a new word in the Oxford Dictionary. Meaning. A preference for being governed by an unelected foreign bureaucracy.. The mad professor was I imagine connected to the Road Haulage Association who funded the Rail converted to Roads Group. It was at that time, thought to be far better having vast convoys of diesel powered 50 ton trucks roaring up the M1, rather than sticking them on flat rail cars on a single train. Pollution has started to alter that view with rail freight and new track on the up. Part of the Beeching Plan was that he wasn't interested in loads of less than five tons previously carried in small rail wagons.. Hence the need for lorries who could handle those sort of loads. SM..adelaide
What's MSM, SM?
The Marylebone plan was essentially born of the more extreme free market ideology and that ideology came from the right, where not many Remainers ("Remoaners" is not worthy of you) lurk.
Earlier, Prof Hall had apparently proposed converting Liverpool Street to roads as well. This got less traction - perhaps the ideologues weren't in charge then - but according to one source online it was taken to pieces by New Scientist who pointed out that his scheme was silent on what to do at junctions.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 13:54
SM -
The Mainstream Media???? That's a Trump/QAnon trope. I didn't have you down as close to that particular rabbit hole.
Are you OK with being in NATO, given that we have a treaty obligation to come to any NATO member's defence? That's a pretty big loss of sovereignty too. I think plenty of people voted Yes because they thought it would eventually make the country more prosperous (as the Yes campaign repeatedly claimed - sunny uplands, remember?) rather than because they were hung up on sovereignty as the only issue.
I rather liked the comment from one Remain campaigner that the job of the Remainers now was to prove themselves wrong - in other words, it's done so try and make the best of it for the country.
Adelaide
The Mainstream Media???? That's a Trump/QAnon trope. I didn't have you down as close to that particular rabbit hole.
Are you OK with being in NATO, given that we have a treaty obligation to come to any NATO member's defence? That's a pretty big loss of sovereignty too. I think plenty of people voted Yes because they thought it would eventually make the country more prosperous (as the Yes campaign repeatedly claimed - sunny uplands, remember?) rather than because they were hung up on sovereignty as the only issue.
I rather liked the comment from one Remain campaigner that the job of the Remainers now was to prove themselves wrong - in other words, it's done so try and make the best of it for the country.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2023 21:36
Quote:Seaxe_man1
MSM Adelaide is short for Mainstream Media which as you say and I agree is overrepresented with leftwing Remainers in relation to the UK at large.
I didn't say that. I said that "according to some...".
If all you have on Livingstone/District is a vague memory of a story in (say) that leftie organ the Daily Mail, I'm inclined to think that your memory of newspaper articles from forty years ago is no better than mine! As others have also posted, it does seem inherently unlikely.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/03/2023 08:16
Unlikely or not it was reported so at the time. Checking newspaper footage from back then a seven day job. I would say that most Remainers have absolutely no idea how the EU set up works, as the Europhiles have always concealed that. Had Wilson's 75 referendum been staged in 73 with the full works explained re how it affected government here. That is, it would be subjugated by Brussels then I doubt it would have got 16 million votes. This was based on the ' streets would be paved with gold' put around in the MSM at that time. The more discerning 8 million who said ' your'e avin a larf' have been proved correct from events over the past 50 years. As it happens, I recall sitting in The Pavilion in 75 watching a B and H quarter final against Yorkshire which we won. In no small measure as Tim Lamb had a good day, from recall, taking five wickets. The conversation around me by the Egg and Bacon boys was how they were gonna vote to stay. It appeared then that the E and B boys were a block vote which I suspect remains the case today. However, I had the pleasure of a Middlesex win, so not a bad day.. I have just ordered Graham Barlow's book. I hope he references those days in detail. My mate Charlie Hocking played against him when both were 15 years old.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: freddie tittlemouse (IP Logged)
Date: 06/03/2023 08:28
The mainstream media? If you are referring to the press you will find that they are overwhelmingly right wing leavers and continue to be. The Express, Mail, Telegraph, Times . The only left wing paper if you discard the comics is the Grauniad.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 06/03/2023 11:56
Freddie - You forgot the Morning Star.
The biggest problem in media bias, I think, comes with internet feeds which choose stories like ones you have gone for before. If you are not careful you end up only seeing the part of their output which reinforces rather than challenges what you think. And that's before you get to the blatant truth benders like Infowars and conspiracy sites.
I don't think all the right leaning media have been leavers throughout; after all it was Heath who had taken us into the EEC as it then was. I think most economists still consider that being in the EU was to our economic advantage, so to that extent the 8 million in 1975 were probably wrong on those narrow grounds. Whether that was sufficient then or later to outweigh the increasing loss of some sovereignty is another matter. To SM sovereignty trumps everything, it seems, though he didn't answer my question about NATO.
To get back (almost) 100 years ago, Chunky's match reports next year will no doubt refer to the Zinoviev letter, a prime example of media manipulation!
Adelaide
The biggest problem in media bias, I think, comes with internet feeds which choose stories like ones you have gone for before. If you are not careful you end up only seeing the part of their output which reinforces rather than challenges what you think. And that's before you get to the blatant truth benders like Infowars and conspiracy sites.
I don't think all the right leaning media have been leavers throughout; after all it was Heath who had taken us into the EEC as it then was. I think most economists still consider that being in the EU was to our economic advantage, so to that extent the 8 million in 1975 were probably wrong on those narrow grounds. Whether that was sufficient then or later to outweigh the increasing loss of some sovereignty is another matter. To SM sovereignty trumps everything, it seems, though he didn't answer my question about NATO.
To get back (almost) 100 years ago, Chunky's match reports next year will no doubt refer to the Zinoviev letter, a prime example of media manipulation!
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 06/03/2023 12:47
Googles Zinoviev letter.....
There may well be a reference to the fact Andrew Bonar Law resigned as Prime Minister on 20th May 1923 (just after the Somerset game). He was the 20th Century's shortest serving PM at 211 days.
I think my gag was that now we have Bazball and everything is in fast forward, 99 years later Liz Truss comfortably bettered that, with a mere 49 days.
I still doubt very much that Ken Livingstone would have wanted to close a section of the underground. As a non driver he was very much in favour of cheap public transport.
S_M needs to provide supporting documentary evidence to convince me.
There may well be a reference to the fact Andrew Bonar Law resigned as Prime Minister on 20th May 1923 (just after the Somerset game). He was the 20th Century's shortest serving PM at 211 days.
I think my gag was that now we have Bazball and everything is in fast forward, 99 years later Liz Truss comfortably bettered that, with a mere 49 days.
I still doubt very much that Ken Livingstone would have wanted to close a section of the underground. As a non driver he was very much in favour of cheap public transport.
S_M needs to provide supporting documentary evidence to convince me.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 09:39
Quote:The hierarchy were reported as making similar comments. Couldn't believe we hadn't been approached. Without mentioning names, the players commented on, were unlikely to fit the requirements of Bazball. Crawley despite much criticism from all sides retains the faith of Baz and Stokes cos he gives the innings the start they require if only briefly.adelaide
According to commentator Kevin Foot, the England selectors were keeping a close eye on every Middlesex player...
Adelaide
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 09:53
Quote:Freddy. You left out the Independent big Remainers Add BBC. ITV. Sky News C4/5. LBC with a version of Steve Bray called O'Brien who are also big Remainers and part of MSM . Over the past 7 years have never left anyone in doubt that their preference in government is by an unelected commission in Brussels.. BBC also employ a football presenter, in the news today, who uses football as a platform to air his views on politics. Been doing so since 2016. Owns bars in Spain I believe.freddie tittlemouse
The mainstream media? If you are referring to the press you will find that they are overwhelmingly right wing leavers and continue to be. The Express, Mail, Telegraph, Times . The only left wing paper if you discard the comics is the Grauniad.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 10:16
Quote:If you have the time chunky, a trawl through press records will confirm. Another one of Ken's bright ideas was to channel river's with irritating bends with straight concrete channels. The effect of which deprived aquifers with water and the quickened flow caused floods elsewhere. Such a case was at Greenford where the Brent, I believe..meandered across some green acres next to the shops. This was straitened and had a concrete channel inserted. An eyesore which I can vouch for as I saw it myself. Not sure why the Ken bloke was so popular. He also shared a platform with your old club, The Ickenham Residents Association on a few occasions. Taken all round this bloke was a good forerunner to Khan. Same DNA and not resident friendly. We are there just to pay their burgeoning council tax. Pretty high. At the moment still have the free travel pass as the main benefit. On the cricket front. Kolpaks, a Brussels scheme, was not beneficial for English player development imho as overall was the country at large. Try reading up the Windsor Whitewash chunky. SM.chunkyinargyll
Googles Zinoviev letter.....
There may well be a reference to the fact Andrew Bonar Law resigned as Prime Minister on 20th May 1923 (just after the Somerset game). He was the 20th Century's shortest serving PM at 211 days.
I think my gag was that now we have Bazball and everything is in fast forward, 99 years later Liz Truss comfortably bettered that, with a mere 49 days.
I still doubt very much that Ken Livingstone would have wanted to close a section of the underground. As a non driver he was very much in favour of cheap public transport.
S_M needs to provide supporting documentary evidence to convince me.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 10:20
Quote:Seaxe_man1Over the past 7 years have never left anyone in doubt that their preference in government is by an unelected commission in Brussels.[/quote
The Commission is unelected but its legislation can be amended or stopped altogether if enough Member States can object. In theory, a veto can be deployed on some legislation but negotiation almost always avoids this. The point is that elected governments still play an important role. The idea that stuff was just imposed on the UK without any say is fantasy. In some cases the UK was the prime mover - for example the design of the single market was very much a British thing, not surprisingly because we used to preferred economic practicality to the rhetoric of ever closer political union. Of course single market rules constrained what individual Member States could do but that was considered worthwhile ... by our elected government.
Whatever you might say about the TV channels, I prefer what we have to Tucker Carlson peddling lies and conspiracy theories on Fox News. Our lot try to present news properly, even if they sometimes don't succeed. I think your adoption of MSM from the dodgier echo chamber end of the Republican party detracts from your arguments.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 10:26
Good luck with that Adelaide. Ever listened to the Radio 4 show. a comedy hosted by Hugh Dennis on a Friday at 6.30 pm. Hilarious.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 10:46
NATO chunky. Has kept the peace since 45 currently interrupted in the Ukraine. Your French President Macron wanted to start up an EU Army now shelved I think. There was an EU Army in both wars. The more recent one was called The Axis on one side and UK LTD on the other. The late Bill Edrich could have advised you on pressure during that time.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 12:12
Quote:Seaxe_man1
NATO chunky. Has kept the peace since 45 currently interrupted in the Ukraine. Your French President Macron wanted to start up an EU Army now shelved I think. There was an EU Army in both wars. The more recent one was called The Axis on one side and UK LTD on the other. The late Bill Edrich could have advised you on pressure during that time.
SM - You must surely be aware that avoiding another ruinous war in Europe was one of the main drivers behind the establishment of the original EEC so I take it your equation of the EU with @#$%& Germany is just another attempt at a wind-up.
The (still unanswered) question I asked you on NATO was whether you were happy with the loss of sovereignty implied by a commitment to come to the defence of any NATO member if attacked. If sovereignty is all-important its record in keeping the peace is no more relevant than the economic costs/benefits of being in the EU (and its own initial role in securing peace - see above).
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 12:46
No different to 1939 pre NATO and EU Adelaide. We had a pact with Poland if attacked as they were, we were obliged to come to their aid. Belonging to NATO equates to no loss of sovereignty in my book. Membership of the EU is. Everything from top to bottom is run by them. The NI Protocol dreamt up by Remainer May as an olive branch to the EU is a very good example. The Remainers with their usual economy of the truth claim Brexit done via the Windsor Whitewash. The small print suggests otherwise.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 13:08
Well, this has all taken off while I was out shopping.
S_M- you provide the evidence Livingstone wanted to close the Richmond branch. You are the one alleging it.
I was once a member of the IRA (Ickenham Residents Association).
Very militant we were too- seeing off countless attempts to overbuild on the site of the old Master Brewer, and the other side of the road by Hillingdon station.
I did think threatening to blow up Hillingdon Council offices in Uxbridge High Street over threats to cut one of the bus routes was a little extreme, and I said as much at the time (TIC)
S_M- you provide the evidence Livingstone wanted to close the Richmond branch. You are the one alleging it.
I was once a member of the IRA (Ickenham Residents Association).
Very militant we were too- seeing off countless attempts to overbuild on the site of the old Master Brewer, and the other side of the road by Hillingdon station.
I did think threatening to blow up Hillingdon Council offices in Uxbridge High Street over threats to cut one of the bus routes was a little extreme, and I said as much at the time (TIC)
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 13:09
Quote:Seaxe_man1
No different to 1939 pre NATO and EU Adelaide. We had a pact with Poland if attacked as they were, we were obliged to come to their aid. Belonging to NATO equates to no loss of sovereignty in my book. Membership of the EU is. Everything from top to bottom is run by them. The NI Protocol dreamt up by Remainer May as an olive branch to the EU is a very good example. The Remainers with their usual economy of the truth claim Brexit done via the Windsor Whitewash. The small print suggests otherwise.
Your book is very odd then. Signing up to go to war seems rather more serious than signing up to, say, common rules on VAT.
"Everything from top to bottom", oh, apart from foreign policy, defence, railways, the health service, education and loads of other stuff (remember subsidiarity).
It is those Brexiteers who are trying to clean up Boris's oven ready mess who are trying to claim that this "does" Brexit. Anyone with any sense knows that it can't be completely done without a hard land border and that that would risk a return to sectarian conflict. So, do you demand perfection and then say "nothing to do with me mate" if it all kicks off again or do you accept a compromise? We're in more danger of being dictated to by the DUP than anyone else right now.
Apologies to everyone else for the way this thread is going but blame those bring politics into it into the first place, not those who challenge their claims.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: freddie tittlemouse (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 13:42
Quote:Seaxe_man1Quote:Freddy. You left out the Independent big Remainers Add BBC. ITV. Sky News C4/5. LBC with a version of Steve Bray called O'Brien who are also big Remainers and part of MSM . Over the past 7 years have never left anyone in doubt that their preference in government is by an unelected commission in Brussels.. BBC also employ a football presenter, in the news today, who uses football as a platform to air his views on politics. Been doing so since 2016. Owns bars in Spain I believe.freddie tittlemouse
The mainstream media? If you are referring to the press you will find that they are overwhelmingly right wing leavers and continue to be. The Express, Mail, Telegraph, Times . The only left wing paper if you discard the comics is the Grauniad.
So, would you be more likely to believe something you read in the Daily telegraph or the Mail than you would to believe someting you heard on the BBC or ITV?
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 14:09
I do read the Telegraph Freddy not The Mail. BBC/ITV depends who is talking? The general view are that both are labour platforms. Davie was supposed to make it a level playing field. Failing to take action on a bloke employed to talk about football who uses that platform to offer views unconnected suggests Davie aint made a lot of progress. Salary £1.35 million. No wonder they can't afford cricket coverage. I agree that the main Telegraph is in the Leave camp. However not all of its writers are. Particularly in the Business Section where a a number of covert Remainers lurk. A bloke called Jeremy Warner is one such I suspect.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 14:16
This really isn't meant to be a politics forum.
Okay- It's not really meant to be a transport forum either, but provided people stick factually to politicians known views on transport (without putting their own political spin on it) that might be acceptable.
Okay- It's not really meant to be a transport forum either, but provided people stick factually to politicians known views on transport (without putting their own political spin on it) that might be acceptable.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2023 14:34
Technically, Lineker doesn't use "that platform". He uses Twitter. I imagine he would earn more at Sky or ITV by the way.
"The general view is that they are labour platforms". No, that's just one view. Other views are available.
A general observation would be that newspapers are read at people's leisure. They generally know where the newspaper is coming from and take that into account. TV is more immediate and perhaps less likely to be viewed through that critical prism. Worst of the lot, the internet feeds that learn what you like to read and just feed you more of it. Turns into your own personal echo chamber without you realising it.
Adelaide
"The general view is that they are labour platforms". No, that's just one view. Other views are available.
A general observation would be that newspapers are read at people's leisure. They generally know where the newspaper is coming from and take that into account. TV is more immediate and perhaps less likely to be viewed through that critical prism. Worst of the lot, the internet feeds that learn what you like to read and just feed you more of it. Turns into your own personal echo chamber without you realising it.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2023 11:54
Quote:with respect going back to the D'Oliveira Affair in 1970. Cricket has been entwined with politics for decades probably from the start. Gentleman and Players an example.. Kolpaks as I pointed out before, were politics. So a bit disingenuous to suggest politics are not involved in cricket. plenty of politics are currently being played out. . I put no spin on anything. concerning the Ken era. I lived through it. Just what was reported at that time. Sweeping it under the carpet always an option.chunkyinargyll
This really isn't meant to be a politics forum.
Okay- It's not really meant to be a transport forum either, but provided people stick factually to politicians known views on transport (without putting their own political spin on it) that might be acceptable.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2023 13:25
Quote:Seaxe_man1Quote:with respect going back to the D'Oliveira Affair in 1970. Cricket has been entwined with politics for decades probably from the start. Gentleman and Players an example.. Kolpaks as I pointed out before, were politics. So a bit disingenuous to suggest politics are not involved in cricket. plenty of politics are currently being played out. . I put no spin on anything. concerning the Ken era. I lived through it. Just what was reported at that time. Sweeping it under the carpet always an option.chunkyinargyll
This really isn't meant to be a politics forum.
Okay- It's not really meant to be a transport forum either, but provided people stick factually to politicians known views on transport (without putting their own political spin on it) that might be acceptable.
SM - Politics and cricket, fine. It's politics and the other stuff - particularly this Trumpish MSM stuff - that gets in the way and provokes equally responses (often from me) that are just as off topic.
I "lived through" Ken as well. I accept that you believe that it was reported that Ken suggested closing the District Line. Given how out of kilter it is with his approach to everything else, I (and evidently others) suspect you may be misremembering. I suppose it's possible it might have been something like "if you cut our funding we'll haver to close the Richmond line" but that's playing politics, not a proposal.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2023 15:50
There is little today that isn't affected by politics unfortunately Adelaide. Cricket certainly isn't one of them. It appears that I am debating with EU fans which was seen by the political class. as a replacement for the Empire. Plenty of flaws in that theory as we have seen. Cricket, Test Cricket, as we know it, would not exist had there never been a British Empire. This would mean this site and others not required. Nothing to discuss, cricket or politics. Yes Adelaide the window dressing for joining the EU, included the end of wars. Bound to stir emotions as intended. I would suggest NATO and the nuclear deterrent more likely to have achieved that. As it occurs since we joined up to the 'chatterboxes no wars ', there have been wars in Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Spain, Ireland albeit the latter two of a terrorist nature but plenty of victims nonetheless. EU influence? The current one in Ukraine on the EU borders doesn't seem to exercised their hierarchy a lot. On Boris's oven ready mess. The chef was Theresa May not Johnson. He was lumbered with it. He was lucky to survive Covid infection.. She was twisted around the EU finger. Didn't struggle too much as a Remainer. Not too worry. Starmer ( the new chef) and the Rejoiners will scheme a way back onto their gravy train, the Brussels Shangri La with the chatterboxes usual bs.. Add Khan's Ulez and the future looks bright.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2023 16:24
Quote:chunkyinargyll
Oh well, if I'd wanted any replies I should have stuck to writing about the underground!
Be careful what you wish for Chunky.
We seem to have wandered every so slightly completely and utterly off topic!
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 09/03/2023 23:41
Quote:Seaxe_man1
There is little today that isn't affected by politics unfortunately Adelaide. Cricket certainly isn't one of them. It appears that I am debating with EU fans which was seen by the political class. as a replacement for the Empire. Plenty of flaws in that theory as we have seen. Cricket, Test Cricket, as we know it, would not exist had there never been a British Empire. This would mean this site and others not required. Nothing to discuss, cricket or politics. Yes Adelaide the window dressing for joining the EU, included the end of wars. Bound to stir emotions as intended. I would suggest NATO and the nuclear deterrent more likely to have achieved that. As it occurs since we joined up to the 'chatterboxes no wars ', there have been wars in Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Spain, Ireland albeit the latter two of a terrorist nature but plenty of victims nonetheless. EU influence? The current one in Ukraine on the EU borders doesn't seem to exercised their hierarchy a lot. On Boris's oven ready mess. The chef was Theresa May not Johnson. He was lumbered with it. He was lucky to survive Covid infection.. She was twisted around the EU finger. Didn't struggle too much as a Remainer. Not too worry. Starmer ( the new chef) and the Rejoiners will scheme a way back onto their gravy train, the Brussels Shangri La with the chatterboxes usual bs.. Add Khan's Ulez and the future looks bright.
Chunky's post seems to have had no effect. I'm wondering how it is possible to distort reality so many times in one post. You would be on Fox News.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: freddie tittlemouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2023 12:16
The Tucker Carlson of MTWD.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: BarmierKev (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2023 19:10
I'm unsure why I bother , but will put up a cricket related article up this weekend to keep us going. Hopefully we will stay on topic.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2023 08:30
Quote:Seaxe_man1
Davie was supposed to make it a level playing field. Failing to take action on a bloke employed to talk about football who uses that platform to offer views unconnected suggests Davie aint made a lot of progress. Salary £1.35 million.
Lineker sent off for the first time in his career.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2023 11:04
Quote:BarmierKev
I'm unsure why I bother , but will put up a cricket related article up this weekend to keep us going. Hopefully we will stay on topic.
You mean on track, surely, that must be Central. Let's hope that the Metropolitan elite don't have us going round in Circles.
Theydon Boy
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2023 12:48
Adelaide-
Stop derailing the thread.
Stop derailing the thread.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2023 18:36
Well I seem to recall a short time ago that this site was on its knees for lack of posters. At the time they numbered three in number, myself, chunky and Adelaide. So, you need to be careful what you wish for. A bit disingenuous then to complain about punters when they do post. Off season there isn't that much cricket wise to comment on. Certainly for Lords clientele, the well being of Marylebone and Baker Street has to be of interest. The recent birthday party travel travails a good example. A cab from Ruislip/Eastcote mighty expensive. Over 30 quid 25 years ago. 57 posts about 10 times the usual response suggest a little diversification worked wonders.
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Seaxe_man1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2023 09:31
Quote:A spot of cancel culture by you Adelaide you surprise me. Especially with all of the furore between Davie and Lineker over freedom of speech on twitter and whether or not Twitter was part of his contract. The leftie MSM generally give the goal hanger the thumbs up.. I am merely exercising my freedom of speech as per Gary. i.try to avoid being abusive to anyone, well almost. Don't worry Kev. I will read but not post on your next offering. Hope it does well with comments.adelaideQuote:Seaxe_man1
There is little today that isn't affected by politics unfortunately Adelaide. Cricket certainly isn't one of them. It appears that I am debating with EU fans which was seen by the political class. as a replacement for the Empire. Plenty of flaws in that theory as we have seen. Cricket, Test Cricket, as we know it, would not exist had there never been a British Empire. This would mean this site and others not required. Nothing to discuss, cricket or politics. Yes Adelaide the window dressing for joining the EU, included the end of wars. Bound to stir emotions as intended. I would suggest NATO and the nuclear deterrent more likely to have achieved that. As it occurs since we joined up to the 'chatterboxes no wars ', there have been wars in Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Spain, Ireland albeit the latter two of a terrorist nature but plenty of victims nonetheless. EU influence? The current one in Ukraine on the EU borders doesn't seem to exercised their hierarchy a lot. On Boris's oven ready mess. The chef was Theresa May not Johnson. He was lumbered with it. He was lucky to survive Covid infection.. She was twisted around the EU finger. Didn't struggle too much as a Remainer. Not too worry. Starmer ( the new chef) and the Rejoiners will scheme a way back onto their gravy train, the Brussels Shangri La with the chatterboxes usual bs.. Add Khan's Ulez and the future looks bright.
Chunky's post seems to have had no effect. I'm wondering how it is possible to distort reality so many times in one post. You would be on Fox News.
Adelaide
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Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2023 14:49
SM
No cancelling here. It's more a matter of recognising that while the politics might generate lots of posts from a handful of people it might at the same time drive away more people who prefer the forum to stick closer to what it says on the tin. I've been guilty as well in responding in the past but to be honest, given the advent of "MSM" in your posts, I'm not sure there's any more point in continuing.
Here's a cricketing link with politics (and Lineker). The great John Arlott was a prime mover in the D'Oliveira affair and was a great liberal both with and without capital letters. I can remember hearing him as a regular on Any Questions. He actually stood as a candidate for the Liberal party in the 1955 and 1959 elections. As far as I know, nobody suggested he should be take off the BBC as a result, even though he was probably the best known commentator. Today, given (quoting from a Telegraph review) From a review in the Telegraph - "Arlott's independence, his Englishness, sense of fairness and justice, sympathy for the underdog and relish for the beautiful and the good...". I wonder how Arlott would have tweeted on the language (which is what Lineker did), let alone the policy today.
Adelaide
No cancelling here. It's more a matter of recognising that while the politics might generate lots of posts from a handful of people it might at the same time drive away more people who prefer the forum to stick closer to what it says on the tin. I've been guilty as well in responding in the past but to be honest, given the advent of "MSM" in your posts, I'm not sure there's any more point in continuing.
Here's a cricketing link with politics (and Lineker). The great John Arlott was a prime mover in the D'Oliveira affair and was a great liberal both with and without capital letters. I can remember hearing him as a regular on Any Questions. He actually stood as a candidate for the Liberal party in the 1955 and 1959 elections. As far as I know, nobody suggested he should be take off the BBC as a result, even though he was probably the best known commentator. Today, given (quoting from a Telegraph review) From a review in the Telegraph - "Arlott's independence, his Englishness, sense of fairness and justice, sympathy for the underdog and relish for the beautiful and the good...". I wonder how Arlott would have tweeted on the language (which is what Lineker did), let alone the policy today.
Adelaide
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: Mark Drukker (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2023 15:26
The late professor Peter Hall did change his mind in his later years and got very keen on railways, including high-speed lines.
Re: Match report nearly 100 years too late
Posted by: adelaide (IP Logged)
Date: 19/03/2023 18:47
High speed lines? Perhaps he was worried about being, er, late.
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