OldPete's Puzzler 6.5 The Main Course

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c) Helen of Troy, although I cannot link the chess connection.

Question 2 might be Rooney. The footballer was born in Liverpool (which does not necessarily make him a git, I should add) and Yonkers Race Track was founded by someone called Rooney also. I cannot find a link with a Duke of Devonshire, however.

1a might be England (also Scotland and Ireland) or The Netherlands. Does it refer to James 2 being overthrown by William of Orange in The Glorious Revolution?

I can't make any connection with velvet so it may well be wrong.

No No and No

Not a good start by me then!

At least you tried, as my old man used to say to me..

Scouse Git - Alf Garnett, Warren Mitchell, Tony Booth? US Finance - Howard Hughes?- Dukes of Devonshire, William Cavendish..?



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Bleach - you are closer than you think with your Scouse Git

Is it time for another gorgeous actress moment? Is the Cavendish, William 5th Duke of Devonshire?

I only ask because it connects through to a recent film featuring Keira Knightley as Lady Georgiana Spencer.

Pass the beta-blockers.

If we are, indeed, talking Spencer lineage, are we talking Churchill lineage, too? Leonard Jerome, grandfather to Winston Spencer Churchill is, I believe, the American financier who built a horse-racing track that was the first home of the Belmont Stakes.

Is it right to assume that the 'Scouse Git' is Tony Booth?

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Question one " Up the revolution " (a) Name the country

Velvet , Orange , Glorious

I am as perplexed as Mr Spokes that this particular Glorious Revolution is not the accession of Mary II.

It is with some trepidation that I offer Czechoslovakia as the place of the Velvet Revolution in 1989.

I will be crestfallen if the Orange Revolution was not Ukraine at the end of 2004. Orange was the colour of Yushchenko's Our Ukraine party. In an echo of the protests in Teheran at the moment, it was a demonstration of Stalin's old aphorism, "The people who cast the votes decide nothing; the people that count them decide everything."

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Question one " Up the revolution " (b)
Which " sea green incorruptable " came to a sharp conclusion ?

French Revolution and Madame Guillotine.

Robespierre couldn't be bought and that cost him his life.

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Anthony Booth?, Johnny Speight?

1d - only memorable Chess players I can think of would be Bobby Fischer or Spassky.. Fischer had a colourful existance but I can think of no reason why he would be leaving Paris..SPassky lived in Paris as far as I remember.. Must be something to do with SPassky then?

The Race Track is Jerome Park, the Financier was Leonard W Jerome,

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Question one " Up the revolution " (c)
With his greatest ambition shattered into several he is eponymously remembered by one.

Revolution is always interesting - as things revolve, it is their nature to return to their origin. Assuming that the 'he' in the question was one of the (leading) agents of revolution and that with his ambition shattered suggests a coming together and disbandment.

To me this suggests the Russian Revolution and the end of the Soviet Union. Many of the leading lights had places named after them but where and with whom to start. Pretty much everything in Russia has been returned to its original name...

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1c - Wat Tyler and the Peasant's Revolt?

there are alot of answers on the right track and some are quite right

OSB - Robespierre is indeed the correct answer - ithink it was Burke who called him a Sea green incorruptable - and the sharp conclusion was of course his appointment with Madame Guillotine.

Velvet , orange , Glorious - think between you you have got it - velvet = czech " revolution " as the wall came down . Orange = Ukraine - and Glorious - did i miss it in someones ramblings = England - the Arrival of William n Mary

strangley i wondered if someone would go down the track of velvet - little gentleman in black velvet - orange - william of orange etc and you almost did .

1 ( d ) Hmmmm

OSB and Bleach - Mr Jerome is correct - as is Tony Booth - now whats the connection.

1(c) not watt tyler ( he s been done in a previous set of questions.

Tracy - Wat Tyler is not always the answer you know

Could 1c be Simon Bolivar/Bolivia? He wanted a united South America (at least part of it), but it didn't work.

As Bleach's mention of chess gained a 'hmmm,' I'll venture the revolution of 1993.

FIDE - the international governing body of chess and based in Paris - were arranging a World Championship, once again, I believe, in Paris.

Nigel Short had won through in the qualifying competition and was due to challenge Garry Kasparov.

They broke away and founded a new organisation, the Professional Chess Association, and played their world championship matches under its auspices at the Savoy Hotel in London.

The match supported all known form - Kasparov won convincingly.

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Emma - answer is indeed Simon Bolivar - but your rationale isnt quite on target

he tried and did set up Gran Columbia which included modern Venezuela , Peru ( I think ) , Colombia and of course Bolivia. But it all fell apart and Bolivia remains.

Ps If interested there is a very good book called the Liberators which deals with the liberation of south America

Can you imagine Napoleonic style warfare in the jungle ?

right one to go - and the last to hold out against the combined wit of you lot and your googles - what on earth is all this wittering on about chess players about ?

Is the Cavendish-Jerome-Booth link the connections they have, through their daughters, to Prime Ministers.

Jennie Jerome was mother to Winston Churchill
Lady Dorothy Cavendish, daughter of the Victor, 9th Duke of Devonshire married Harold Macmillan
Cherie Booth, in case we forget, married Tony Blair

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I blame it on the person who used the word 'checkmate'

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OSB - you have summed up multiple efforts by several and the connection is they were all father in laws to british PMS.

meanwhile I make no apologies for checkmate

2d: Is this the Iranian revolution?

Ayatollah Khomeini flew from Paris to Iran and he was the cause of the Shah's downfall.

Though the games of Chess was first seen in India it was from Persia (Iran) that it went on to become a worldwide game. What we call Checkmate is a corruption of Shah mat - which translates as "The King is Finished".



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absolutely spot on Sarge

mark up a bonus point for C bloc

bouquets also to OSB for rambling around and hitting or just missing some of the targets - Bleach who opened the door for the Pms inlaws and Emma EB13 who zeroed in on Simon Bolivar.

I will do some more stuff next week - for Monday probably

Come on you Irish and Ancient British Lions.

OP,

Be thankful that you are not up before the beak (as far as I know). Mr Justice Spokes was poo-pooed when he alighted on a correct answer and didn't even get a mention in dispatches.

I hope he neither bears a grudge nor has a long memory.

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Apologies to Ian - but its not easy to sort it all out amongst the elongated ramblings of some searchers after the truth.

a thought for next week - punters may have noticed a bias in my questions towards the historical and political - next week we may go scientific in an attempt to broaden our appeal and spark off a Wee Jim v Smurf contest.

Can't we do "British Television Comedy of the 1980s"?

no Phil - nothing funny happened during the eighties

- and in case anyone asks we will also not being doing any questions about the railway stations of Europe.

What, not even Railway Stations named after the great military battles and military leaders of previous centuries?

There must be room in your heart for Waterloo and Austerlitz, although the Walter Scott connection of Waverley leaves me a little chilly, too.

"Your days are numbered. Use them to throw open the windows of your soul to the sun. If you do not, the sun will soon set, and you with it."

-- Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor 161-180 A.D.

Sorry Paul the miltary link to railway stations was always going to be a bit obvious

On the other hand heres a quicky

If Wellington had lost at Waterloo what then might a railway staion in Paris be named ?

also apart from our own dear Talevera way which is a bit modern - in older parts of towns and cities you can tell roughly when houses / streets were built Inkerman st. Omderman place , Mafeking Close etc.

Depends if Waterloo would have been considered his greatest victory, Gare d'Austerlitz already of course exists.

tradidion has it that a battle was named after the nearest place to /or at the HQ of the winning Commander - at " warerloo" Napoleon was based at a hamlet called Belle Alliance