White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton


By Farmer White et al
May 15 2019

Back to the long stuff at the County Ground after the variable but eventually glorious 50 over competition.  Marcus, the two Jacks and Steve return to the crease along and Farmer starts a four day opus on the proceedings.....

County Championship Division 1. Somerset v Surrey. 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th May 2019. Taunton.

Somerset Match Centre

Toss. Surrey. Elected to bat.

First day. 14th April – White clothing and red ball


It was a curious sight that greeted me as I stood chatting on Legends Square. 13 men in white and two in white coats. Rather like a hospital ward walking onto the field. At least that was the thought that jumped into my head after a whirlwind three weeks criss-crossing the southern half of the country and the Midlands as I tried to keep up with Somerset’s 50 over campaign. I had become inured to technicolour cricket. Coloured clothing and a white ball. Now we had white clothing and a coloured ball. As if that was not enough my brain had struggled to keep up with the high-speed, almost daily, cricket watching, ping-pong travel, overnight stays and late-night writing of match reports. I can, without a hint of exaggeration, say that at one match I had to ask someone which day of the week it was. And now my brain was struggling to accommodate cricket being played in whites. Oh, what a mad cricketing world we live in. At least for those of us who remember when Championship matches started every Wednesday and Saturday and one-day matches were played every Sunday and, for cup matches, on a Wednesday in place of the Championship. There could be as long as 28 days between a quarter-final and a semi-final. This year there were not many more than 28 hours. All the old reference points have gone and the sudden reappearance of two of the few that are left, white clothing and a red ball, suddenly jarred on the mind.

We did have a toss which helped get my equilibrium back into some sort of order although Surrey winning it and electing to bat on a glorious day for batting hardly settled the nerves. Gregory’s first ball from the Somerset Pavilion End almost did. It whistled through Stoneman’s defence to a huge appeal and imploring looks at the umpire. As the morning wore on that scene was to be repeated. Ball beating bat time and again, unrequited appeals to the umpire and, I imagine, at times, to the heavens. It had all the hallmarks of a ‘flat’ pitch where, to my mind, bowlers seem to beat the bat but never find the edge. The thought of Surrey building a huge total was never far from the mind or the chat, memories of 2018 still fresh in the mind.

Gregory’s first spell, from the Somerset Pavilion End, looked sharp and constantly challenged the batsmen. Brooks, from the River End, threatened too and, across the day, apart from Gregory’s evening spell, looked the most likely to take a wicket. To get from Legends Square to my favoured location at the top of the Somerset Pavilion you have to cross close in front of the Gimblett’s Hill spectators so it can only be done between overs. If you are at the end of the queue to cross, Gimblett’s Hill is just long enough to make it a challenge to complete the journey before the steward at the far end is waiting to close the exit next to the sightscreen with a rope. Dallying to complete a conversation I realised I was not going to make it and scurried back to the sit on the step before making another more successful attempt at the end of the next over. Rather different from white ball crowds where the historic sanctity of the view during an over can be less well observed.

Once I was in my seat the old world began to fall back into place and players in whites once more felt like the natural order of things. The talk though was often of Somerset’s colossal performances at Worcester and Trent Bridge and of tickets and travel for the final at Lord’s. On the field of play the Surrey batsmen continued to play and miss but were settling ominously. By 12.15 Leach was bowling from the River End but with no more effect on the score, which had reached 63 for 0, although one ball fizzed past the edge of Stoneman’s bat. Craig Overton had taken over from Gregory at the Somerset Pavilion End after half an hour and had his share of balls beating the bat but with no more luck than Gregory or Brooks. How many times the ball has to beat the bat before an edge is taken would be an interesting piece of research although the results might not encourage the recruitment of bowlers. Even allowing for some balls that look like they have beaten the bat having actually been the batsman deliberately playing inside the line the ration of wickets always seem exasperatingly low on mornings such as this.

The crowd although back to Championship proportions after the large 50 over crowds was still of a size to make many other counties green with envy. It got right behind its team. Applause followed any ball which troubled or beat the batsman and was especially in evidence at the end of any testing over, of which there were many. But Burns headed the list of first division run scorers by a distance in 2018 and Stoneman has five test fifties. Any slight leeway in the bowling resulted in the ball piercing the field and finding the boundary as the sun beat down on an outfield seemingly faster than it had been for the 50 over matches. Stoneman reached fifty to characteristically generous applause from the Somerset crowd as lunch beckoned. Someone who has an uncanny feel for the game sat behind me for a chat and started by saying, “Brooks is going to take a wicket.” As if following an instruction from on high, three balls alter he did. The pressure of the bowling finally told or the luck finally changed and Stoneman edged Brooks to Davies, back behind the stumps for the game in whites. Surrey 96 for 1. Stoneman 50.

When my lunchtime amble around the ground reached the Caddick Pavilion I diverted onto and across the outfield. It involved a detour to the Colin Atkinson boundary to navigate around a couple of players having boundary catching practice. Being able to walk within five yards of the target area for a high velocity missile, even if someone is trying to catch it, seemed incongruous in an age of risk assessments and safety rules. But provided you kept our eye on the ball as they say, and didn’t stand immediately behind the fielder as the ball was struck, it felt as safe as houses. That really was the old times coming to visit even if the ball was white.

As is the way with my perambulations at lunchtime I failed to make it back to my seat for the resumption. I found myself watching from Legends Square again. It was fortuitous on this occasion for I had a perfect view of the ball as Gregory, now bowling from the River End, finally found the edge of a bat. The ball flew fast and on a downward trajectory directly towards Overton standing at third slip and towards me standing at third man beyond the boundary. Overton’s hands moved down and intercepted the ball perfectly a foot above the ground. In the one of the 50 over matches I had seen him take a stunning, running outfield catch with just as much assurance. Quite a fielder.

Before returning to my seat I watched an over or two from where the covers are stored next to the Ondaatje Stand. Burns tried to hook Gregory, the ball flew down the leg side, Davies took off at full stretch, got a hand to the ball but it fell to earth. It was impossible to see from my angle whether the ball had touched bat or something else or how much of a hand Davies got on the ball. Most in a better position to see than i and to whom I spoke afterwards were certain a chance had been spilled. Such moments can alter the course of a match. This one did not alter the course but it did confirm it on the course it had been following for Burns now began to work his way towards a century with increasing certainty although not without further luck. An edge off Groenewald flew safely through a gap in the slips. On one of only two visits to the kiosk at the back of the seating at the top of the Somerset Stand I heard a huge slowly building cheer rise and then deflate into a slowly descending groan. I went onto the terrace to find out what had happened. Burns had pulled Brooks straight to Azhar on the Somerset Stand rope. The ball had gone straight into his hands and straight back out again. The looks of disbelief told me all I needed to know.

Meanwhile Elgar was building what seemed to me a perfectly constructed innings at the other end. Burns made it to his century in the end but Elgar always looked as if a century was in no doubt, at least as far as that is possible in cricket. For much of the afternoon he played the ball around the field and to the boundary, held in check only by the continuing persistence of the Somerset bowling and the excellence and intensity of the Somerset fielding which was repeatedly encouraged by applause from the crowd. At tea Surrey were 217 for 2. Burns 95. Elgar 60.

For 40 minutes after tea the pattern of the day continued unabated as Burns and Elgar built Surrey’s score past 250. Once an edge flew but bounced short of slip. It was not the first of the day to do that. “Should the cordon not move forward a little?” asked someone who had played a lot of cricket in his youth. It seemed a reasonable question given the propensity of the ball to fall short but I don’t know how far forward a slip cordon can move before reaction time becomes an issue. A fine judgement to be made by those standing there I imagine.

During that passage of play I decided to try the last gambit of the supporter when wickets will not come and set off on a circumnavigation of the ground. “Back to reality I am afraid,” someone said as we chatted next to the Colin Atkinson Pavilion. We watched Burns go to his century before moving on in our different directions. I took solace at the ice cream kiosk near the Garner Gates. It was just the weather to watch from their whilst the ice cream met its demise. Much warmer than the chill on the north face of the Somerset Stand. No good was done though so I set off behind the Somerset Stand towards Legends Square. That provoked a huge cheer as I was about half way round the back of the stand. Overton had caught Burns somewhere in the infield off Groenewald it was explained to me when I emerged. Surrey 265 for 3. Burns 107.

Somerset now turned to Abell. In his second over of this spell the newly arrived batsman, Foakes, edged him to Davies as I spent an over or two watching from next to the Ondaatje Stand. Surrey 268 for 4. I returned to my seat with some anxiety because none of the four wickets Somerset had taken had fallen when I was in my seat. I received much advice to remain on my feet for the rest of the innings but you have to sit down at some point. It made no difference. After one or two worrying boundaries from Elgar, Gregory bowled a spearing yorker, as was his wont before his back problems, and hit Elgar full on the foot. Elgar hobbled painfully off, lbw for 103. Surrey were 291 for 5 and Somerset were working their fingertips back into contact with the game. When Gregory hit Jacks on the pads and the finger was raised Surrey were 295 for 6 and the fingertips were beginning to grip.

Somewhere during my perambulation, either whilst I was behind a stand, queuing for an ice cream or deep in conversation I had missed Elgar hitting the ball into the river. It had meant a change of ball and the bowlers had begun to trouble the batsmen. Somerset delayed the new ball by about ten overs. But, on the demise of Jacks, Rikki Clarke, so often Somerset’s nemesis, emerged from the Caddick Pavilion. He and Ryan Patel worked to settle things for a few overs and Somerset took the new ball. It seemed to make no difference. “I don’t think the new ball is moving like the old one,” said the text from an online watcher. And it didn’t appear to be from my vantage point at the top of the Somerset Stand.

There were no more wickets and at 330 for 6 at the close with Clarke there to menace Somerset in the morning I left the ground with more anxiety than anticipation, although reminding myself that there was something altogether more resilient about this Somerset team this year. Kent and Nottinghamshire have been beaten and Somerset are top of the Championship. Surrey are likely to be a different proposition and when Clarke has finished with the bat he and Morne Morkel will be waiting with the ball. This match has all the makings of being every bit as much of a test for Somerset’s Championship ambitions as it looked like being when the fixture list was first published in November.

Close. Surrey 330 for 6.

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Date: 15/05/2019 13:13

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Championship v Surrey
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2019 18:24

Wittier thread titles welcomed!
So, whom do we pick? Presumably Steve D is still first-choice keeper in the long game and it's hard to see how Tom B can force his way in just yet. Marcus will keep his place for at least one more game - I have to say, with a heavy heart, a poor one should see him left out next time - which actually makes it a simple case of picking two from Jamie O, Tim G, Jack B and Josh.
I'd go for JO and JD - but then again, I'd have dropped Tom B for the Surrey 50-over game.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2019 18:35

Marcus is having trouble keeping on his feet these days.

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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2019 19:32

Surrey hoped to give Mornie Morkel a run-out with the Seconds in a friendly against MCC Young Cricketers yesterday, but the match was rained off before he could get a bowl.

They do have several players on the verge of being fit again - including Scott Borthwick and Amar Virdi. Rickie Clarke, so often a thorn in Somerset`s side is unlikely to make it by Tuesday, but Sam Curran will be home from the IPL now his franchise has been eliminated.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/05/2019 19:50

Really? Isn't there another franchise somewhere else in the world he can join?



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 12:16

ECB to rest Sam Curran following his return from the IPL. Will be unavailable for Surrey in this week's championship match

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 12:29

I suppose bowling about eight overs a week must be quite exhausting...



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 12:34

Not as exhausting as working your way through the intricacies of an Indian airport to fly home. Though I dare say his queues were shorter than mine usually were!

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 12:45

Stupid call by England. Absurd.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 12:58

Very true. How sad. What a shame.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 19:01

Oh dear, what a pity, how sad, never mind.

As the recently departed Windsor Davies would no doubt have said.

Grizzzly

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 19:11

We can hope that Morne M might be a little undercooked.

Thinking about what LaLaLa said, I guess what was meant was a possible lack of focus, with a big final coming, rather than a lack of motivation. I'm sure it's something that AH and JK will be keen to guard against. But perhaps it would be as well to make quite a few changes for the red ball game, not simply to freshen things up, as Grockle suggested, but to ensure that we have fewer players who might, just might, be tempted to look ahead to a day out at Lord's.

Trescothick has no chance of being selected for said final. Brooks has a limited chance only. The GREAT Jack Leach, very sadly, apparently no chance. Steve Davies, presumably a limited chance...although Davies might just think that if he can show really well in the red ball games before Lord's then maybe, just maybe, he might manage to usurp George Bartlett (which might leave Tom B free to concentrate on his batting?)... I wouldn't be all that surprised if Davies goes like gangbusters against his former county in the CC, precisely for that reason.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2019 21:45

The way Tim G was being put through his paces I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was given a run-out v Surrey on Tuesday. LG and CO especially must be due a break (don't know what there is between this Surrey game and the final on the 25th).

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 09:00

We have Surrey this week ( Tues-Fri) and Warwick at Taunton next Mon -Thurs. Hants travel to Edgabaston this week and have Notts on the Isle of Wight next week. Our lads are giving their all by the ways things are going. We had our little blip but it seems that when one has an off day someone else steps up and from afar the fielding intensity (and running between wickets) sounds immense.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 11:56

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AGod
I wouldn't be all that surprised if Davies goes like gangbusters against his former county in the CC, precisely for that reason.

Have to say I'm a bit disturbed by any suggestion that a player might "go like gangbusters" in any specific match, suggesting by implication that he doesn't/wouldn't put in full effort at other times.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 12:44

In real life there are always occasions when some players find a little extra motivation in certain situations - for example playing against a former County (which also happens to apply in this case), playing against a County who previously rejected you... or even country (e.g Caddick vs New Zealand). It’s no different to the idea of bowlers having spells where they Bowl within themselves and then others where they let rip, pace wise, depending on match situation, sight of opponent they don’t like etc.

If being dropped from white ball hasn’t given S Davies some extra motivation, then I’d be worried. Same with Bess and Jove being told that they are, temporarily, surplus to requirements in red ball.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 13:06

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Shepton Paul 2
The way Tim G was being put through his paces I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was given a run-out v Surrey on Tuesday. LG and CO especially must be due a break (don't know what there is between this Surrey game and the final on the 25th).

I'd say it was absolutely essential that we play our best Championship side this week, on general principles because a) the Championship is the one we most want to win and b) this is what you're supposed to do anyway, but even more because of our current place in the table and the awareness that, if we are still in contention come September, Surrey will probably be among our closest rivals.
Lewis and Craig have both been outstanding in both competitions and they must play. If they are "due a break" they will have ample opportunity later in the season. Neither has bowled anything like as many overs in the last few weeks as Trueman or Statham would have done in a corresponding period (as Trueman would have been the first to point out) - though they may have put in a bit more in the batting line.
In Jamie's absence I would go for Josh and Jack B, but the management may have different ideas - anyway Tim G keeping fully fit and in practice is obviously desirable as he may be needed at any time.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 13:16

I agree, mike, that we should play our best team in the CC and, all other things being equal, Lewis and Craig really should play - but workload is a consideration. Looks to me that our squad for tomorrow is a big one, and perming eleven from this lot is anyone's guess:

Tres
Byrom
Ali
Hildreth
Abell
Banton
Davies
Gregory
Coverton
Leach
Brooks
Bartlett
Groeneweld
Green
...and maybe others I've forgotten.

My XI would be the first eleven listed above.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 13:54

SP - What on earth would George Bartlett have done to merit exclusion from your CC XI?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 13:59

Mikeindex - with the stress fracture history of both Lewis and Cove, I think management would be right to consider managing them over the course of the season. I completely understand the notion that, theoretically, they could rest later in the season... but theoretically is the key word there... for example.... both Jamie Overton and Jack Brooks have hugely questionable fitness records. Brooks is fit now... but he may very well not be, later in the season, when the likes of LG and Cove need a rest. Likewise, Jamie O is not currently injured, but may very well be later in the season. At the present time then, IF management is desired, they could field one of LG or Cove, Brooks, Josh and Tim. Later in the year, with every chance of Brooks and Jamie being unavailable, we may have less scope?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 14:14

I forgot Davey who, like George, would be very unlucky to be left out. My point was: not an easy team to select!

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 15:01

Rikki Clarke, often something of a thorn in Somerset`s side, returns to the 14-strong Surrey squad for tomorrow`s county championship clash, after recovering from an open-finger injury.

Scott Borthwick, back after a side injury, is included for the first time this season, and Surrey include two spinning options our old friend Gareth Batty and slow left-armer Freddy van den Bergh.

Squad: Burns (c), Batty, Borthwick, Clarke, Elgar, Foakes, Jacks, McKerr, Meaker, Morkel, Patel, Smith, Stoneman, van den Bergh.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 15:18

Difficult to select? Perhaps SP, but I’d have thought selecting a man who made a big ton last time out in red ball would be one of the easier ‘selection dilemmas’!?

Perhaps there’s an argument to be had, in terms of Davies Vs Banton but I can’t see how the latter can move ahead of George B for this next game.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 17:15

13-man squad: Tom Abell (c), Azhar Ali, Tom Banton, George Bartlett, Jack Brooks, Josh Davey, Steve Davies, Lewis Gregory, Tim Groenewald, James Hildreth, Jack Leach, Craig Overton and Marcus Trescothick

Who will be omitted?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 17:25

Omitted or rested I suppose. Though would you include people you expected to rest? I suppose so in order to not telegraph absences to the opposition. I would expect Brooks to play given the decision regarding Jove. Davies or Banton must be one decision. Jack will most likely play (though that could be a late decision I suppose) and he would take a seam bowlers place.

Abell, Ali, Trescothick, Hildreth, Brooks, Groenewald will probably play so it's rest or perm from those left

Can't see them resting both Davey and Cove. Lewis rested would mean George would be a definite I'd expect.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 18:02

Banton & TimmyG will be the ones left out.
They will go with the same team as the last red ball win at Trent Bridge in April

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 19:07

Yes, I suspect that's right, WSM.

If we were planning on a rotation policy for the seamers then it's likely that Jamie would not have been loaned to Northants.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 13/05/2019 22:54

Personality I'd leave out Tim and Banger and play Banton as an opener. This is a big game.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 01:18

I wouldn't be far behind you Scrumper. Willing to give Banger one more but only because Tom Lammomby hasn't moved up yet. Marcus needs a good score.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 09:46

Marcus is, of course, but one piece of that top three puzzle.

We have him, Azhar who, so far as I know, is on a one-year deal and James Hildreth, currently batting out of position in the hope of an England place.

Lower down the order, we have Tom A, who used to be a top three player and George B who has also batted up there at three and, at times, done a good job up there (think partnership with Renshaw vs Yorkshire last year).

Hovering around, we have Eddie B, who has shown the ability to bat time (valuable in protecting those to come) but not yet managed to capitalise with hundreds. I think both the talent and temperament are there, personally.

Then there's Ben Green, who I believe made a ton for the seconds the other day. More pertinently, Green showed quite a lot of composure in amongst the headless chicken antics of his colleagues in the debacle of a tie (72 all out, or whatever it was) vs Lancs, in last year's title chase.

And there are high hopes for Lammonby.

So it's a complex picture, with lots of moving parts. Through two games, the existing top three line-up has made very few runs. Perhaps conditions will be flatter today? Regardless, Mr Morkel looms and McKerr looked good against us in the white ball stuff.

The task for Jason and Andy is to balance current performance with the need to develop the top of the order for the future. IN theory, that's a tough juggling act... but - if the more experienced men in those positions fail to perform, then the tension between "current performance and future potential," diminishes somewhat, does it not?



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 09:51

In the case of Hildreth, one wonders how long he, himself, will want to persist at three if he doesn't come off there?

One can see the logic of "England have top three vacancies, bat in the top three," but there must still be a remote chance that England might pick somebody scoring lots of runs at four in CC1, to bat at three for them. There's (presumably) very little chance of them picking somebody not scoring runs at 3 in CC1 to bat there for them, the fact that they're not spoiled for choice, notwithstanding.

One thing worth mentioning... in CC1 they've gone to the ball with the less prominent seam.. and this is likely to mean that top three batsmen make more runs in CC1 than they did last year... BUT the Ashes is going to be played with the old ball.....so any new batsmen making the step up from CC1 to Tests, will have to deal both with an increase in standard and with a ball more tricky than they one they've been batting against all season..

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 10:48

Surrey win toss and bat, Josh and Tom B miss out.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 11:05

Brooks onto bowl.. he needs to be far, far tighter, than he has been across the first two games, especially on such a good batting day.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 11:24

A welcome return to red ball cricket. And lots of counties wanting to bat first.

I can see the selection debate continuing for some time, given that the cup and championship sides have been set so differently. Good to see Tim back and George there after his immense contributions previously.

Jamie and Dom playing, are we going to comment on their progress in this thread?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 11:39

Don't see why not. Seems dFt to start another thread for these 4 days.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 11:39

Sounds a pretty flat track, which is scarcely a surprise. (we were never going to deliberately prepare anything lively for Morkel - so the only way the pitch was going to be lively would be by accident).

And I think the commentator quite right to suggest that the pitch is most unlikely to deteriorate.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 12:05

Yes. It’s looking rather cosy for Surrey right now.

I hope we have our selection right. Just wonder about the choice of TG ahead of JD and also whether Jove’s pace would have been an asset.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see Jack Leach on before lunch. Not expecting much spin, but hopefully he can make things happen.

Grizzzly

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: btry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 12:07

i think jamie o is needed right now for somerset

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 12:22

In theory, it’s true that we could use pace and bounce - a battery of medium-fast bowlers are never likely to prove hugely effective on a flat track, and under sunny skies. And the more so with the reduced seam ball.

Unless Leachy can work wonders then one already suspects that a draw might be the best result that we can get from this game. Not that same is guaranteed.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 12:32

A very good toss to win, track looks flat. 2 warm sunny days, then Thursday and Friday becoming increasing cloudier and cooler. Would certainly settle for a draw at this moment.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 12:35

Like others, I wish we could call on Jove to bowl. Four fast-medium bowlers (with Abell in reserve) seems one too many.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:03

Don't they see Jack B as 'faster'?



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:13

Tim Groenewald bowled Burns last time when they batted and batted, Jove took Stoneman & Roy and Abell got Elgar. We were saved by the covers (or lack of them covering in a storm). Not quite how Farmer would have described it, but I'm suggesting Abell and Leach will be in the wickets later. Maybe the case for Jove in this match will be more apparent by his absence and he should come back next week if the pitch is the same?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:24

I believe there is a recall clause in the case of injury only for Jove (other than to play at Lord’s). Anyway, we must hope for less flat surfaces in future matches, whilst remembering that Morkel might make this look less flat...

Should Morkel take lots of wkts, we should refrain from suggesting that Jove would have done likewise, given that the former is vastly more experienced and proven.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:26

Bess, apparently, no chance for Yorks (with ball) as Kent all over them.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:48

Well done, LG and JB (and Cove with the catch).

I'd give a lot to rid ourselves of Elgar ASAP

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 13:59

Quote:
AGod
Bess, apparently, no chance for Yorks (with ball) as Kent all over them.
Maybe, but he has certainly started off quite confidently with the bat.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: btry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:02

bess is racing

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:05

How much would you give AG?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:06

Quote:
btry1
bess is racing

Jinxed - b Milnes 25

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:07

Ah.
Mr Bess is now back in the pavilion after a run-a-ball 25.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:09

Davies, whose place must surely be under threat from Tom Banton may have just moved a step closer to being axed from the red ball, as well as the white ball, with that reported drop off LG.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: btry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:09

Quote:
Phrench Phil
Ah.
Mr Bess is now back in the pavilion after a run-a-ball 25.
sorry about the jinx
good little knock while it lasted

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:23

Grockle - I think the answer to your Q re:Brooks is that, of those playing today, Cove is the quickest bowler - at an average of about 82/83, Brooks and LG about 79/80 and TG about 76/77. I think Josh is a similar speed to TG, Meerkat similar to Brooks/LG and Jamie averages about 85/86/87 (when I’ve seen a speed gun on him)

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:28

Haha I'm no stranger to jinxes, but don't think Yorkshire will win the championship

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 14:31

Jamie will be batting soon, too..

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 15:38

Awful from Azhar, by the sounds.

Not a good day, so far.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:06

They made 485 last year, but we'll have to wait and see what Somerset make from this pitch. Giving Burns a chance will increase that wait.

Jamie Overton at the crease

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:07

I fear that they make more this year, as both Burns and Elgar tend to go big.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:17

Jamie Overton at the crease.

At the tea table, but I understand your post.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:24

How long do they have for tea in CC2 ?

At least Surrey have a few players missing, though I wish Rikki Clarke had gone somewhere on loan

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:47

Jamie lbw Onions 6.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 16:57

Disgraceful to hear (per Gibson) that Azhar was criticised, in the press box, for walking the other day. I presume he means at New Road, because there wouldn't have been much point in Azhar "walking," at Trent Bridge....given the absence of middle stump.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 17:06

Well done, Tom.

Bowl yourself more often, please.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 17:14

All of a sudden batting sounds tougher, and commentators suddenly rowing back on previous comments re: flat track.. quite odd.

Still, even if it's less flat than it has appeared today, one imagines that it will be flatter tomorrow, than it is today .. which will only be relevant if we manage to do much batting tomorrow..

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 17:16

Northants innings over.

Jamie almost never gets the new ball for us. Wonder if he'll take it for them?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 17:23

Against Jennings and Hameed at Old Trafford. More rewarding to have got the scalp of Elgar

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 17:47

Elgar and Jacks gone, two bowling bonus points in the bag

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 21:21

Somerset v Surrey first day photos.

Tough day today all round
The bowler often beating the bat, several missed chances, and several ball not carrying to the fielders..

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Ryan%20Patel%20did%20not%20carry%20off%20Lewis%20Gregory.jpg

Ryan Patel, this is one of those not carrying to the fielder?? off Lewis Gregory.

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Dean Elgar out lbw to Lewis Gregory he was hit full on the toe and limped off.

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Ben Foakes was caught by Steve Davies bowled by Tom Abell.

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Rory Burns wondering if the umpire was going to give him out off Craig Overton.

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Rory Burns dropped on the boundary

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Jack Brooks beating the bat of Dean Elgar.

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Rory Burns, was this one of the chances that wasn't taken? Off Lewis Gregory.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Scott%20Borthwick%20near%20miss.jpg

Scott Borthwick, this was one ball that didn't carry to the slips. Jack Brooks the bowler.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Mark%20Stoneman%20ct%20Steve%20Davies%20bld%20Jack%20Brooks.jpg

Mark Stoneman ct Steve Davies bowled Jack Brooks.

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Mark Stoneman batting, Steve Davies wicketkeeper, Lewis Gregory at slip.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Mark%20Stoneman%20lbw%20shout.jpg

Mark Stoneman lbw shout not given.

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Rory Burns, this is one that I believe was missed at slip?? bowler was Jack Brooks.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 21:41

Yes, the ball fell in front of the sli cordon several times today.

Felt we kept at it pretty well, as the pitch was really offering very little.

Az. had a day to forget in the field, but other than that we just about kept Surrey in check.

We need to finish them off quickly tomorrow and then bat with fortitude.

Grizzzly

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/05/2019 21:45

Were there any that went over the slips, Grizzly?

If not, surely Davies should have moved the cordon up at some point?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 08:22

Don’t recall any going over the slips AG. Must admit I did wonder the same thing re where they were standing.

Grizzzly

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 09:18

Pitch is a little slow. Replacement ball did more do waskept longer. Hence the commentators 'rowing back's perhaps.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 09:25

Conceivably, Steve Davies, with more than a decade of first class cricket experience, has a rough idea of what he's doing, and, if not, even novice youngsters like Trescothick and Hildreth stood beside him might be able to give some advice on where to stand.

Come on people, do you really think they didn't consider whether they were standing in the best place, or try moving up a yard? This isn't Nempnett Thrubwell under 13 3rd XI.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 09:51

So what would you do, SP, if the ball was repeatedly failing to carry to the slips, and yet there were no edges suddenly flashing around the slip's faces or over their heads? And if, in response to that, you decided to move forward a pace and then the same thing still kept happening (with still no edges flashing up towards your faces), what then would you have done?

Are you seriously suggesting that this is something that professional cricketers never get wrong?



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 09:53

Yes, Sloop John, according to Jason Kerr, after Elgar hit the first ball into the river, the replacement started swinging.

Let's hope that whatever cherry Surrey have doesn't do the same.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 10:02

I simply said "I wondered" SP.

It merely occured to me, sometime around when for the third time the ball fell just in front of the slips.

I have minimal knowledge of course, compared to anyone on the field, but it didn't seem an entirely unreasonable thought at the time !

Grizzzly

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 10:20

We're not allowed to question, Grizzly, because people who are experienced and/or expert never get anything wrong. One only need look at our politicians, bankers and captains of industry to see that this must be so.

There's a very horrible story about the folly of assuming that "experts," know best even when, logically, it seems that they must not be doing the right thing. In the horrid plane crash at Kegworth, back in the 1980s, some of the passengers could see that one of the engines was on fire. The pilot came on the radio to announce that there was a problem with the *other* engine and that, as a consequence, he intended to shut it down, shortly and then make an emergency landing. There are actual quotes from surviving passengers along the lines of "I thought it was strange that he wanted to shut down the other engine, even though the engine on our side of the plane was on fire, but he's an experienced pilot and I'm just a baker, so what did I know?" (the passengers that knew the engine on their side of the plane was on fire, to a man, stayed silent). The correct response would, of course, have been to yell at the air crew to look at the engine fire on their side of the plane, and have them inform the pilot ASAP, in the hope of averting disaster. The plane went down on the side of the perfectly healthy engine that was wrongly switched off... as a result it was the passengers on the side of the engine fire, all of whom assumed the pilot must have been right, that survived and the ones on the other side, who knew nothing of the engine fire on the other side of the plane, that perished.

Obviously, yesterday's proceedings pale into all significance set against horrid events like that and the purpose of the horrid story is merely to show that assuming that experts should not be questioned is simply wrong.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 10:48

My report on the first day - White clothing and red ball - is now on the home page of my website here:

[farmerwhite.co.uk]


It is also reproduced in full here:


Back to the White Stuff



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 10:50

I think you could have selected a more tasteful analogy to that A god.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:00

Oh hello, that's a better start, now for Rikki Clarke's wicket - I would give a lot for that (and that he doesn't take any later)

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:04

I guess we're about to see how good or bad the pitch is. I think from 262/2 we've fought back relatively well. You either make a decent start on this pitch..or not!

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:21

Do we know that they didn't go forward a yard or two, maybe more than once, when nicks were dropping short? Allowing for the fact that some of us commenting weren't even there, could the likes of Mike TA1, Farmer or others who were there tell, from about 80+ yards away, whether keeper and slips edged forward a few feet?

It's not that one isn't allowed to comment or question, it's more that those of us who've played a bit of school, village, club or league cricket need to give a bit of credit to those with considerably more experience and knowledge at first class and international level. I've over forty years as a school and league batsman, bowler and (overly-nerdy) spectator and follower, and I wouldn't presume to second-guess the likes of Tres, Kerr, Davies, Abell etc on such matters as how far back to stand to Cove or whether Jove is best suited to a loan at Northants. I know commenting and querying is part of the game, and of a forum such as this, but, sometimes, words fail me...

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:27

Jack Brooks injured, so I'd guess that Jamie's loan will be cancelled anyway?

I mentioned, only yesterday, that Brooks has always been injury prone.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:40

If anybody know what Leach's bowling figures this morning have been, I'd like to hear them.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:48

Quote:
Shepton Paul 2
...but, sometimes, words fail me...

Really Shep? I don't think that has ever been true thankfully.

😎



(Sm72)

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:49

All I was saying, SP, is that, if the ball is regularly dropping short (but never flashing high), then stepping forward is the obvious thing to do. And if you step forward, and the same situation continues to obtain? The correct course of action is usually to edge closer still.



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Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:52

Give Ben Green a try first, before recalling Jamie Overton.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 12:56

I don't think Green is really seen as a front-line bowling option anymore, Clarence?

More of a batting all-rounder, I think?

So it would be a bit like replacing Brooks with Peter Trego?

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:06

A couple of "only Viv would be good enough to nick those," balls from Morne to Azhar.

But the track itself didn't look overly troublesome in that pre-lunch salvo - those two balls from Morkel were, I think, the only ones that moved laterally, off the seam*. So if only 2 out of every 30 balls move, with a brand new cherry, then most batting sides would take that.

*There was a banana swinger from Morne, after it passed the bat.

Mr Clarke looked pretty innocuous. I was glad to see him given the new ball, rather than McKerr after the latter's excellent white ball outing here. I suspect Surrey will introduce McKerr shortly after the interval.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:17

Huge way to go in this game but my thoughts are that *IF* we can get close to Surrey's first innings total then there's a prospect of Jack Leach then bowling us into a *potential* match-winning position in the third innings.

e.g.

Surrey 380 and 200

Somerset 350 and then would need 231, batting last.

Doesn't mean we'd get the 231, necessarily, of course, but the chance could be there if the batsmen can hold up their end of the bargain in the first innings.

Re: Championship v Surrey
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:18

LoL - I can't swear to it, but I believe Leachy's figures were something like 8 or 9 overs, 3 for 21?

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:45

Lets get to not following on before we think about anything else! Surrey routinely destroyed teams last season with their bowling.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: btry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:47

banton for tresco next game
i know hes a legend and all that but he has got to hit runs
banton is in form and is a good young player

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:47

Time for Mr Byrom or possibly Mr Green, rather than persisting with Mr Trescothick, I think.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:54

Very sad to say but time for Marcus to walk away graciously rather than reduce our batting numbers to ten players on a regular basis.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 13:55

If Davies doesn't come up with a score, then I'd look at giving his place to Banton.

I don't think we need both Banton and Hildreth in a top three... Need a bit more balance and aim of batting some time. Eddie's shown the temperament for that.... Tresco being in and always being out within a few overs, just puts pressure on the rest of the order.

Personally, should Tom B come into the team as well, then the line-up I'd prefer to see would be:

Eddie B
Azhar Ali
Tom A
Hildreth
Bartlett
Banton



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:06

On this dry, Test style surface, Mr Azhar Ali has been looking every inch the Test batsman, so far today.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:09

And unfortunately, agreeing with posts above, Marcus isn't at the moment (I'm loathe to say 'any more').

We can't keep losing wickets before there are 20 runs on the board and it is usually Mr T



(Sm72)

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:10

For information Jack Brooks did not take part in the football this morning so we can't blame football for this one.....

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:16

I take it back, then, WSM.

Still, you must be pleased that Jamie will be back?

I know it's not in the circumstances that we would have wanted.. however, it's also the only conceivable circumstance in which Jamie was going to be brought back before the end of his loan, IMO.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:32

An elegant and excellent 50 from Azhar Ali, IMO.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 14:56

Oh, Azhar, absolute give-away vs the loathed, Batty.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:24

Tom throws it away, too.

Not the kind of batting performance today of which Championship winners are made, making presents of wickets.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:27

I think as I said previously we need to worry about getting to 230 odd before anything else. Batty is pinning us down here.



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:41

Would somebody be kind enough to post a link to LIVE commentary on the match? Astonishingly, Radio Five Live Sports Extra suddenly chose to leave Taunton to commentate on ice hockey, can you believe it. There's a national sport if ever there was one.

So I move to the normal BBC commentary website and find that clicking on the current match gives me the commentary that started at 11.00 this morning!



LoL

Seventy-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:53

Lol - the club's website has a link under the match centre button

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:53

Try this, LoL (drag the small rectangle along the horizontal bar if it doesn't start at the right place): SvS

Alternatively, use the Match Centre on the official site - that provides a live stream and radio commentary:
MC

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 15:58

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa
Would somebody be kind enough to post a link to LIVE commentary on the match? Astonishingly, Radio Five Live Sports Extra suddenly chose to leave Taunton to commentate on ice hockey, can you believe it. There's a national sport if ever there was one.
So I move to the normal BBC commentary website and find that clicking on the current match gives me the commentary that started at 11.00 this morning!

Starting to think the ECB are encouraging them to do anything but offer commentary on 5LE - they've been chopping from one day stuff to IPL last 6 weeks. Who the hell wants to listen to IPL commentary?

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 16:04

There is a link to the club's match centre on the left hand side of this page in the menu.

There is also a link to the match centre on Farmer's frontpage report of yesterday.

There IS ALWAYS a link to the match centre on the left hand side of this page.

That is why it is there so people don't have to go looking for stuff.... we're nice like that even though most of the time people don't bother to check.



(Sm72)

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 16:09

George plays all around one from McKerr.... and that’s why you can’t afford to give wickets away, as we did earlier on.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 16:25

Folks - do you agree with Brian Rose that we should have made Kieswetter captain and given Buttler the gloves, in order to keep both at the club?

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 16:30

Funny old day, so far.

I don't feel that Surrey have bowled with much discipline and yet, at 165/4, the day is really on a knife edge... we could finish the day on 225/7 or 8 or something, if we give many more wickets away, or if Morkel summons some magic.

But we should, really, only be two down at this point and looking to push on to a position of strength. A little frustrating, but we could still make amends.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 17:08

Quote:
AGod
Folks - do you agree with Brian Rose that we should have made Kieswetter captain and given Buttler the gloves, in order to keep both at the club?

Yes, I fully agree.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 17:09

Croft c Vasconcelos b J Overton 8

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 17:56

Does anyone care any more?

Jos went, the situation would have turned unexpectedly within a season had he stayed.

He plainly said that he would not return to Somerset until a certain individual had left and that meant that any offer Rose talks about would have been irrelevant.

It might have solved the management's problem but it may not have solved the side's issues at that time. Jos wasn't what he is now. He might have developed into something different (better in the opinion of some).

But it didn't happen so....



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 18:10

If only, if only... So many possible scenarios, one of them being that if Kieswetter had handed over the gloves he would not have suffered that career-ending injury.



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: btry1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 18:12

in other news, davies didnt get out last ball of the day
243-5

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 18:12

Well, finished the day in a fair position.

Azhar played brilliantly until he gave it away.

Hildreth and Davies played well. In Davies's case especially for his first 30 runs.. after that he started to threaten the odd lapse in concentration.

I thought Surrey bowled really badly for 75 minutes or so after lunch...perhaps adjusting from white ball back to red.

Tom will be bitterly disappointed with his dismissal, and Azhar was obviously kicking himself.

I'm sure James will be disappointed, in his England quest, not to have gone to to a big ton.

Friday looks like really poor batting weather, which is a concern. So we shall have to milk the very maximum out of these remaining 5 wickets tomorrow, if we're to avoid a very nervous Friday (weather permitting).

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 18:14

Notts a poor side in red ball. Headed for another very convincing defeat, this time vs Essex.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 18:24

From Hildreth's point of view, Burns made a ton (obviously) and Keaton Jennings made 97. Gary Ballance is unbeaten on 57 for Yorkshire (looking at guys who might bat in the top three for England). Haseeb Hameed failed, as did Liam Livingstone.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:10

In Trescothick’s last 30-odd innings at Taunton in the past 3 years he has scored under 10 runs seventeen times and only twice scored over 50. How much longer before someone is bold enough to tell him that it’s over?

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:22

That's a truly appalling trot.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:34

2018 home Tresco CC scores: (161 runs @ 16.1)

1 and 43

4 and 2

95 and 7

9 and 0

0 and 0

Away CC scores (330 @ 41.25)

71

6 and 71

4 and 15

100

13 and 50



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:40

2017 home CC scores (376 at 31.33)

26 and 5

106 and 46 not out

6 and 34

6 and 7

26

25 and 21

37 and 31

2017 away CC scores (338 runs at 30.72)

65 and 1

15 and 27

28 and 119 not out

8

20 and 36

13 and 4

2 and 0

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:51

So since the start of 2018, Marcus had an average of 16.1, before 3 home failures to start this season... so he'll be now averaging not much more than 12 at home, since the start of 2018.

However, the away figures remain presentable.

The away figures may stop management from calling time, permanently. But it's clear that he's doing nothing (with the bat) to justify his inclusion for home games at the present time.

However, whilst younger players had far fewer opportunities, their appearances at Taunton (those that played at the top of the order) did not go well either:

Banton 30 and 4

Green 1 and 16

Byrom 16 and 42, 14 and 22, 10, 4 and 0.

But the thing that I'll say is that Byrom isn't often out within the first 3 or 4 overs, a la Marcus, so less immediate pressure is put on the rest of the order (only twice in the 7 innings listed above)

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 19:51

So he'd better play in away games only as he's improving

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 20:03

Incidentally, something which might be relevant both to the Tresco debate and to any Jamie Overton inclusion debate (should he be recalled from his loan):

It wouldn't be a surprise, I think, if we gamble on a green-top seamer vs Warks next week. On paper, their attack would seem the weakest in the league so management may take the view "better a result pitch," than the risk of a draw on a very good batting track, like the one on which we are playing Surrey.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 20:20

We've clearly got this one in the bag: 500 by mid-afternoon, six Surrey wickets by the clse, leaving sufficient time to take four more wickets and score any necessary runs on Friday before the rain intervenes.



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Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 20:36

Second day's photos.

We could have been in a far better position if some had batted better.
We have saved the follow-on, now tomorrow get as many batting points as possible or even take the lead.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Ryan%20Patel.jpg


Start off with one I am not sure of, would a more nimble fielder have caught this ball bowled by Lewis Gregory to Ryan Patel it's hard to say, maybe not.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Rikki%20Clarke%20off%20Craig%20Overton.jpg

Craig Overton showing Rikki Clarke what good bowling is all about.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Rikki%20Clarke%20off%20Tim%20Groenewald.jpg

Rikki Clarke, no blame for not catching this ball from the bowling of Tim Groenewald it looked well out of Marcus's reach.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Ryan%20Patel%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Ryan Patel bowled by Jack Leach, one of Jack Leach scalps.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Morne%20Morkel%20ct%20Steve%20Davies%20bld%20Tim%20Groienewald.jpg

Steve Davies eyes must have lit-up when he saw this ball coming towards him off the bat of Morne Morkel bowled by Tom Groenewald.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Gareth%20Batty%20lbw%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

That lovable chap Gareth Batty was out lbw Jack Leach for 0.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Conor%20McKerr%20ct%20Tim%20Groenewald%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Conor McKerr tried to hit Jack Leach out of the ground, all he did was hit it to Tim Groenewald.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Marcus%20Trescothick%20beaten%20by%20Rikki%20Clarke.jpg

The prospect of a big score from Marcus Trescothick didn't look good when he played and missed this ball from Rikki Clarke, and so it turned out to be correct.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Azhar%20Ali%204%20runs.jpg

This might not look good to some when Azhar Ali played this shot, but he knew what he was doing when he hit the ball over the slips for four runs.

https://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2019%20Somerset%20Cricket%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%202019/Somerset%20v%20Surrey%20starting%2014th%20May%202019/Tom%20Abell%20ct%20Dean%20Elgar%20bld%20Morne%20Morkel.jpg

I think Tom Abell will want to forget playing this shot from Morne Morkel, he hit the ball in the air straight to Dean Elgar.

It was nice to have some warm weather to watch cricket.

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2019 22:08

Family commitments kept me from the ground today, but looks like this is an excellent game bubbling up.

Good to see Jack got a few wickets.

Grizzzly

Re: White Clothing Red Ball Surrey CC1 Taunton
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2019 11:06

To help out mobile users Bagpuss has split the thread and I'm closing this one and would ask comments to be posted on the 3rd day thread please. Thanks



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