Back to the Roaring 40's
In or Out?
By Grockle et al
August 11 2013
We welcome the Bristolians back to the County Ground to resume the 40 over campaign after a long lay off. The Somerset side will be at fulll strength but the format of that side is still a matter for debate as Marcus will return and the middle order has to find places for Nick Compton, Alviro Petersen and James Hildreth. The lattter missed out in the T20 Quarter Final...will he do so again. Chris Jones is the payer who misses out in the squad according to early reports.
v Gloucestershire YB40 @ TAUNTON Sunday 11 August 2013
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The weather is set fair for today's game and a victory is a must have for a side looking at a long fight to make something out of a disapppointing seasoon and prepare us for staying a first class Chhammpioonship side in 2014. Marcus Trescothick will return to the captain's wheel and he has a squad of 15 to pick from.
His most likely side will consist of
Craig Kieswetter, Jos Buttler, Alviro Petersen, Peter Trego, a perm from James Hildreth and Nick Compton, one of George Dockrell and Max Waller (or both?), Afonso Thomas, Craig Meschede, Steve Kirby and or Jamie Overton
There are others who may be part of this make-up but those names will be foating about the 11 man team sheet.
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Date: 11/08/2013 10:18
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YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 08:45
Lets turn our attention to Sunday the YB40 against Gloucester.
I had to look at the tables to remind me of the situation of the competition, we need to win this match on Sunday, Gloucester have a game in-hand and on the same points has us, a win will give us a cushion knowing Gloucester can only draw level on points if they win their game in-hand.
It is a tight group on points we must keep winning.
I think Marcus will return if he is able!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:10:10:52:39 by Grockle.
I had to look at the tables to remind me of the situation of the competition, we need to win this match on Sunday, Gloucester have a game in-hand and on the same points has us, a win will give us a cushion knowing Gloucester can only draw level on points if they win their game in-hand.
It is a tight group on points we must keep winning.
I think Marcus will return if he is able!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:10:10:52:39 by Grockle.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 09:27
In all honesty, Gloucestershire are not all that good and I think it would be poor if we don't manage to beat them.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 09:32
You don't beat your opponents, you don't win the competition. Somerset need wins in everything for all kinds of reasons.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 09:43
We need to win 8 cricket matches between now and the end of the season to win 40 over comp and avoid relegation will be tough.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 09:56
We have to win - it will be my birthday on Sunday!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 10:26
8 matches, WCG?
How many games do you have Surrey/Derbyshire winning between now and the end of the season?
How many games do you have Surrey/Derbyshire winning between now and the end of the season?
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 10:55
Quote:Norwich SCCC
We have to win - it will be my birthday on Sunday!
Happy Birthday for Sunday Norwich, an honour you share with my daughter. Which is why I won't be there and will have to wait until Thursday for my last live cricket fix of this summer.
Not grouse shooting then to celebrate.....
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 15:08
Cheers Grockle - may Sunday be a great day for us all!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 16:46
Well good weather would benefit us all so let's hope for that.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 17:06
Only 2 of those are championship games AG The other 6 are Pro 40 !!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 18:50
Glamorgan have included former England fast bowler Simon Jones in their squad of 12 for the YB40 floodlit match at Cardiff on Monday (start 4.40pm).
Squad: Rees, Wallace, Cooke, North, Allenby, Goodwin, Wright, Cosker, Hogan, S. Jones, A. Jones and Slater.
Squad: Rees, Wallace, Cooke, North, Allenby, Goodwin, Wright, Cosker, Hogan, S. Jones, A. Jones and Slater.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 20:34
Goodwin must have been one of Glamorgan's best signings in recent seasons.
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Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2013 21:45
Wonder if Sussex think they may have been a bit hasty in releasing him - certainly from a T20 perspective
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 00:21
Between 2006 and, say, 2010, Goodwin may well have ranked second only to Marcus as most effective proper batsman on the circuit?
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 10:29
I wonder who the improper batsmen were...
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Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 10:57
I meant batsmen batting in first-class cricket.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 11:05
Marcus kept wicket yesterday at Minehead so hopefully he's pulled up ok today.....
My line up....
Tres, Kiesy, Tregs, Jos, Alviro, Hildy, Mesch, Alfie, Max, Kirby, Jove
My line up....
Tres, Kiesy, Tregs, Jos, Alviro, Hildy, Mesch, Alfie, Max, Kirby, Jove
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 11:07
Are you a 'proper' batsman if you only play first class cricket?
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: just in (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 11:49
I reckon Peterson will play...who do you leave out?
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 12:04
Depends where Marcus plays and the fact that Nick will.
It means Chris will have to wait until Compo and Jos make their decisions before he sorts out where he plays in the new setup.
It means Chris will have to wait until Compo and Jos make their decisions before he sorts out where he plays in the new setup.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 12:52
This was one of our earlier teams when Petersen played.
Trescothick, Trego, Suppiah, Petersen. Hildreth, Buttler, Gregory, Meschede, Thomas, Kirby and Waller.
Not playing tomorrow Suppiah and I presume Gregory.
So who is in?
Jamie Overton and Compton perhaps.
Trescothick, Trego, Suppiah, Petersen. Hildreth, Buttler, Gregory, Meschede, Thomas, Kirby and Waller.
Not playing tomorrow Suppiah and I presume Gregory.
So who is in?
Jamie Overton and Compton perhaps.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 12:55
Where's Kieswetter?
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 12:58
Well spotted.
Okay Kieswetter in instead of Compton
Okay Kieswetter in instead of Compton
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 14:33
With improved recent second XI form then maybe we should be looking to re-intergrate Lewis Gregory into our one-day side?
With Jamie Overton to miss Edgbaston then it might be prudent to not over-use Alf/Kirby in the run-up to Aug 20 as they may have a LOT of bowling to do.
By the same token that might mean that Adam Dibble should get a Pro 40 game this week as we will need somebody to take Jamie's place at Edgbaston and I'm not sure that we'll want to pick Hussain?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:10:14:42:44 by AGod.
With Jamie Overton to miss Edgbaston then it might be prudent to not over-use Alf/Kirby in the run-up to Aug 20 as they may have a LOT of bowling to do.
By the same token that might mean that Adam Dibble should get a Pro 40 game this week as we will need somebody to take Jamie's place at Edgbaston and I'm not sure that we'll want to pick Hussain?
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Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 14:46
I think I'd consider playing something like;
Trego
CK
Compton (still trying to keep him sweet)
Jos
Petersen
Hildreth
Meschede
Gregory
Thomas or Kirby
Waller or Dockrell
Dibble
Trego
CK
Compton (still trying to keep him sweet)
Jos
Petersen
Hildreth
Meschede
Gregory
Thomas or Kirby
Waller or Dockrell
Dibble
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 20:18
15 man squad- Marcus Trescothick (capt), Jos Buttler, Nick Compton, Adam Dibble, George Dockrell, Lewis Gregory, James Hildreth, Craig Kieswetter, Steve Kirby, Craig Meschede, Jamie Overton, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas, Pete Trego and Max Waller.
No Jones.
Would guess that Nick, Adam, George and Lewis miss out.
If things don't go to plan good chance Adam and Lewis will get some chances in last 2 or 3.
No Jones.
Would guess that Nick, Adam, George and Lewis miss out.
If things don't go to plan good chance Adam and Lewis will get some chances in last 2 or 3.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2013 22:50
I agree entirely Bagpuss. Nick has got his limited overs act well up and running- and he s the man for me. My big hope is for a decent score from Marcus.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 07:40
I think out of the squad named- and OB's tongue in cheek notwithstanding my 11 would be
Trescothick
Trego
Kieswetter
Buttler
Hildreth
Compton
Meschede
Thomas
Dockrell
Waller
Overton
but I bet it won't be.
Trescothick
Trego
Kieswetter
Buttler
Hildreth
Compton
Meschede
Thomas
Dockrell
Waller
Overton
but I bet it won't be.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 08:25
Not disagreeing with the team Geordie but if that's the batting order you've got them in I wouldn't see much point in Compton at 6. I'd let him open and set out to bat through and let the rest go for it. Maybe that's what Marcus needs just to go for his shots!!!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:19
I wouldn't pick Tresco, personally.
We'll gain nothing if he's out cheaply early on. And in a one-day game you don't want somebody scratching around for half an hour. It's very difficult to believe that he'll be able to instantly turn it on.
I believe we should open with Pete and CK. if Tres plays then one of those two will not be opening which I think is a mistake (for all of the fantasies on here about Banger moving down the order there's no evidence that he is considering it).
The CC game is different. If Tres scratches around in that then provided he comes through and makes some runs then fine.
We'll gain nothing if he's out cheaply early on. And in a one-day game you don't want somebody scratching around for half an hour. It's very difficult to believe that he'll be able to instantly turn it on.
I believe we should open with Pete and CK. if Tres plays then one of those two will not be opening which I think is a mistake (for all of the fantasies on here about Banger moving down the order there's no evidence that he is considering it).
The CC game is different. If Tres scratches around in that then provided he comes through and makes some runs then fine.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:24
OB I give you exhibit 1 - Ajantha Mendis and exhibit 2 - Gemaal Hussain
Sometimes one's salary doesn't guarantee one's place!
Sometimes one's salary doesn't guarantee one's place!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:35
But AG if TRescothick is named as capt in the squad then he is in, . That's a valid point Bagpuss- hadn't thought about that.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:54
Quote:Bagpuss
OB I give you exhibit 1 - Ajantha Mendis and exhibit 2 - Gemaal Hussain
Sometimes one's salary doesn't guarantee one's place!
Could we hazard a guess about the difference between Gemaal's and Alviro's daily pay?? 400-500%?? I don't really have a clue but I reckon it would be something like that?
Of course, you do appreciate that I agree with you, and would pick Nick before Alviro!
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:57
Alviro hasn't done much wrong. I would play him. He is contracted till 18th August and his salary will have been reduced pro rata for the time he was bench warming for SA in the champions trophy and the Sri Lankan tour.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 09:59
Marcus will play. This is a unit he has been successful with and he'll return to it. The more interesting question is WHERE in the line-up will he stand.
Chris Jones seems fine, at least he was when I talked to him yesterday in Taunton. He seems happy to wait his time. He has signed a year's contract - he's one cricketer who can probably earn more money outside the game at his age than in it - sensibly keeping his options open and seeing how 2014 pans out when all the stuff is sorted at the end of this season. But flaming hell has he increased in size in the last three and a half years!!
As we have said for a considerable time but probably with less seriousness than now. This has to be where the road back to confidence and winning ways has to start.
Chris Jones seems fine, at least he was when I talked to him yesterday in Taunton. He seems happy to wait his time. He has signed a year's contract - he's one cricketer who can probably earn more money outside the game at his age than in it - sensibly keeping his options open and seeing how 2014 pans out when all the stuff is sorted at the end of this season. But flaming hell has he increased in size in the last three and a half years!!
As we have said for a considerable time but probably with less seriousness than now. This has to be where the road back to confidence and winning ways has to start.
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 10:44
Jones isn't in the squad per site.
Openers sure to be Tres+Kiesy with Pete at 3 i'd expect, this is our 1st choice top 3 this year when all are available.
Openers sure to be Tres+Kiesy with Pete at 3 i'd expect, this is our 1st choice top 3 this year when all are available.
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 10:54
Quote:Grockle
Chris Jones seems fine, at least he was when I talked to him yesterday in Taunton. He seems happy to wait his time. He has signed a year's contract - he's one cricketer who can probably earn more money outside the game at his age than in it - sensibly keeping his options open and seeing how 2014 pans out when all the stuff is sorted at the end of this season. But flaming hell has he increased in size in the last three and a half years!!
IMO we tend to underestimate the amount men (and probably women) grow and fill out until their early to mid twenties. I guess this is the reason why there are strict rules on how much bowling young quickies particularly are allowed to bowl in first class cricket. It probably explains why there is always the danger of aches and pain and sometimes stress related fractures in the growing bodies of some young cricketers.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 11:45
A large crowd waiting for the gates to open.
Sunny with a lot of cloud.
Sunny with a lot of cloud.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 12:01
Last Sunday game of the season, local derby, I reckon it could be 5500/6000 come 2/2.30pm, are the blue temporary stands still in place?
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 12:30
WSM Fan, Yep the stands are still there, I was told the main cost is bringing and taking the seating away.
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Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 12:53
Play Copton now. He must be cock-a-hoop with Root being routed again.
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Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 14:28
I notice that Surrey are today captained by Solanki and that Norah is not playing.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 14:35
Hildreth excluded again. Given their comparitive athleticism in the field, really do think JH should have played this one ahead of Tres (even if there isn't much to choose between them in terms of batting form, or lack thereof).
Re: YB40 starts again against Gloucester on Sunday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 15:43
Quote:old boy!
IMO we tend to underestimate the amount men (and probably women) grow and fill out until their early to mid twenties. I guess this is the reason why there are strict rules on how much bowling young quickies particularly are allowed to bowl in first class cricket. It probably explains why there is always the danger of aches and pain and sometimes stress related fractures in the growing bodies of some young cricketers.
old boy!: I am sure that when I saw you at Taunton a few days ago you were distinctly bigger than when we met at Horsham earlier in the summer. With a winter in the gym or a stint in the Big Bash, I reckon you'll be a fine unit at the start of next season, all set to challenge the combined Overteenies for a place in the side.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 16:41
So far, poor in most departments. Waller superb, as was extras. We need a good start .....
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Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 16:43
Sounds like it's an early bath night then, Mr. B.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 16:44
How tough (or not) was the early chance that Tresco put down off Klinger?
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Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 18:18
Drop Trescothick? Fortunately the people that count have more faith.
And with 39 from 25 in an opening stand of 87 from 49, I'd say that faith has been amply rewarded!
And with 39 from 25 in an opening stand of 87 from 49, I'd say that faith has been amply rewarded!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 18:27
Thank you, Mr Petersen. Can we have our Hildreth back now, please?
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 18:55
Well done Mr CK, well done Mr Kirby is that 'poor in most department's' first half of the game and this one looks pretty much ours with 9 overs to go and 30-ish required (sorry by the time I got to this and posted) 4 needed off 7 overs.
122 off 96 - which wicketkeeper batsman should be considered to go to Australia as Prior's backup?
122 off 96 - which wicketkeeper batsman should be considered to go to Australia as Prior's backup?
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 19:07
Excellent win boys and girls - nearly took the edge off the bill from 'Fifteen' for lunch..... one down 7 more to go.
I'm struggling to see the benefit of playing both Alviro and Nick at the expense of James in one dayers but as some have alluded it probably has more to do with Nick's future than any issue with Hilda's form
I'm struggling to see the benefit of playing both Alviro and Nick at the expense of James in one dayers but as some have alluded it probably has more to do with Nick's future than any issue with Hilda's form
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Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 20:02
We are probably going to lose Nick and Jos. I just wonder whether James might be looking around? As his England chances seem to be dead now, as he comes from the East Midlands, might we lose him there somewhere??
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Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 20:09
Well he's not out of contract this season, so we can put that worry on the back burner for a while OB
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Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 20:22
People have moved whilst in contract before .
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 20:27
AP is a huge disappointment for an OP.
Great batting taking Gloucs attack apart, Kieso twice cleared OP.
Had an off day in the field apart from Max, but the 2nd half was really exciting.
Unfortunately with Thursday's game starting at 13.45 and me finishing work at 5, I'll be playing bridge instead, but hopefully they'll be a few holiday-makers to boost the crowd.
Nice to speak with Tractor and Tex.
Great batting taking Gloucs attack apart, Kieso twice cleared OP.
Had an off day in the field apart from Max, but the 2nd half was really exciting.
Unfortunately with Thursday's game starting at 13.45 and me finishing work at 5, I'll be playing bridge instead, but hopefully they'll be a few holiday-makers to boost the crowd.
Nice to speak with Tractor and Tex.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 20:38
I'll take your place Botham as I couldn't be there today and I don't play bridge.
Shame we didn't capitalise on AP when he did provide an 'OP's contribution at the start of the season. H ehas to wonder what format and what team he is playing for in which country so real criticism of him is probably partly unfounded - though we didn't really pick him as a one day player I don't think. Play James instead and let Alviro rest.
Ref Hildreth - does anyone actually know if he is really unaware of the reasons for his omission? How do we know this is not with his agreement?
Shame we didn't capitalise on AP when he did provide an 'OP's contribution at the start of the season. H ehas to wonder what format and what team he is playing for in which country so real criticism of him is probably partly unfounded - though we didn't really pick him as a one day player I don't think. Play James instead and let Alviro rest.
Ref Hildreth - does anyone actually know if he is really unaware of the reasons for his omission? How do we know this is not with his agreement?
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Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 21:04
It must have been a very entertaining afternoon. Kieswetter has been a tower of strength recently; and also good to see MT, PT and NC in the runs.
I listened to some of it on the local (non-BBC) radio and I was very impressed by the commentators I heard.
I listened to some of it on the local (non-BBC) radio and I was very impressed by the commentators I heard.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 21:31
It should be noted that Kirby bowled two successive bowls for 4 wides at the end of their innings.
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 21:32
Tres looked back to his best to me, some thumping shots in that innings, 2 bits of luck with inside edges but really looked good to me and took good catch to get rid of him.
Trego too was excellent on the back of a great start.
Kiesy was just outstanding, great to see how he has matured, he id really cashing in on this great bit of form, to see it home shows huge promise.
Bowling was ordinary and fielding really not up to its normal standard at all bar Max.
Saying that though it really was not a fair contest, we are just in a different league to that lot. I'm not sure 1 of their team would get in ours, maybe Klinger but even then not in the top 3!
Huge game tomorrow now, we always seem to struggle at that place, maybe an idea for 2 spinners? Can't count Peterson as a serious option in my opinion. Who for? Maybe Jove, he struggled today, almost too quick, his pace helps batters score off him.
Trego too was excellent on the back of a great start.
Kiesy was just outstanding, great to see how he has matured, he id really cashing in on this great bit of form, to see it home shows huge promise.
Bowling was ordinary and fielding really not up to its normal standard at all bar Max.
Saying that though it really was not a fair contest, we are just in a different league to that lot. I'm not sure 1 of their team would get in ours, maybe Klinger but even then not in the top 3!
Huge game tomorrow now, we always seem to struggle at that place, maybe an idea for 2 spinners? Can't count Peterson as a serious option in my opinion. Who for? Maybe Jove, he struggled today, almost too quick, his pace helps batters score off him.
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Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 21:49
Idvactually bring dibble or Gregory in for Jove and dockers for tommo or Kirby !!
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:00
Quote:Botham
It should be noted that Kirby bowled two successive bowls for 4 wides at the end of their innings.
It should also be noted then that Kirby bowled his 7 overs for 36 runs at the lowest economy rate, took two wickets with the ball and ran Gidman out in the field.
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Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:00
Strange to see Jos fielding at 3rd man, with Fonz patrolling the cover boundary and Kirby at point?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:12:07:57:14 by Grockle.
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Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:21
Cracking result !
And JB didn't have much to do it seems.
If we can we make this sort of game look so easy, why does the CC look so difficult ?
Grizzzly
And JB didn't have much to do it seems.
If we can we make this sort of game look so easy, why does the CC look so difficult ?
Grizzzly
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Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:26
The opposition Grizzly, they were very poor.
Without Klinger we could have been done by 5pm.
These are the types of teams we face joining if we don't sort things out in the championship.
The smaller counties like Glos, Glam, Worcs, Leics, Kent don't have the budgets/squads to compete with the big boys.
Without Klinger we could have been done by 5pm.
These are the types of teams we face joining if we don't sort things out in the championship.
The smaller counties like Glos, Glam, Worcs, Leics, Kent don't have the budgets/squads to compete with the big boys.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:34
Yep, I said it would be a poor show if we couldn't beat Gloucs. They are weak.
That's not a critcism of us...we can only beat what is put in front of us.
That's not a critcism of us...we can only beat what is put in front of us.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:42
I don't think we are in the financial mess that some of those mentioned are in WSM. We won't be after this season either even if we go down.
We also have to remember that the 'biggest' boy may go down instead of us if we get this right.
We also have to remember that the 'biggest' boy may go down instead of us if we get this right.
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Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:48
Today's photos.
A good win and well needed with Gloucester having a game in hand.
Chris Dent only just getting the ball on the bottom of the bat off Steve Kirby
Chris Dent did live a charmed life at time he nearly played on off Craig Meschede.
Chris Dent luck came to an end when he edged a catch to Craig Kieswetter off Jamie Overton.
James Fuller was expecting this ball to bounce higher off Jamie Overton it went over his back.
Max Waller enjoying his bowling but James Fuller didn't, he bowled him.
Max also enjoys his fielding always with a smile on his face especially after catching Ian Cockbain off Alviro Petersen.
Steve Kirby had a bad time today with some of his overs, Marcus had to have a word with him at one point, in saying that he also bowled some good balls especially this one to Michael Klinger he just kept it out.
The ball went between pads and stumps Craig Kieswetter tried to stop it going for runs it was just out of his reach.
A good sight to see Alfonso Thomas bowling Benny Howell.
Craig Kieswetter trying to play I think the scoop shot and looking so uncomfortable doing it, Jos plays it so much better.
But Craig made up for it by playing such lovely shots like this for a four.
Craig K watching the ball onto the bat for one run to bring up his 100.
A good win and well needed with Gloucester having a game in hand.
Chris Dent only just getting the ball on the bottom of the bat off Steve Kirby
Chris Dent did live a charmed life at time he nearly played on off Craig Meschede.
Chris Dent luck came to an end when he edged a catch to Craig Kieswetter off Jamie Overton.
James Fuller was expecting this ball to bounce higher off Jamie Overton it went over his back.
Max Waller enjoying his bowling but James Fuller didn't, he bowled him.
Max also enjoys his fielding always with a smile on his face especially after catching Ian Cockbain off Alviro Petersen.
Steve Kirby had a bad time today with some of his overs, Marcus had to have a word with him at one point, in saying that he also bowled some good balls especially this one to Michael Klinger he just kept it out.
The ball went between pads and stumps Craig Kieswetter tried to stop it going for runs it was just out of his reach.
A good sight to see Alfonso Thomas bowling Benny Howell.
Craig Kieswetter trying to play I think the scoop shot and looking so uncomfortable doing it, Jos plays it so much better.
But Craig made up for it by playing such lovely shots like this for a four.
Craig K watching the ball onto the bat for one run to bring up his 100.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:50
Yep agree, currently we should be in a far better position than those we "may" join, but it is a worry.
IF we were to lose Jos+Nick, then we have to be realistic that we would struggle to attract any similar level replacements.
I'd like to think we would be right up there next year if we were to go down.
I think Kirny, Alfie and Jove would look far more dangerous against a lower standard opposition as there really is a difference in standard between divs 1+2.
Mr Hussain is perhaps a good example
IF we were to lose Jos+Nick, then we have to be realistic that we would struggle to attract any similar level replacements.
I'd like to think we would be right up there next year if we were to go down.
I think Kirny, Alfie and Jove would look far more dangerous against a lower standard opposition as there really is a difference in standard between divs 1+2.
Mr Hussain is perhaps a good example
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2013 22:57
We have already have possible replacements WSM. Chris Jones and Craig Meschede (though he bowls instead of keeps - good job really). We need an Arul Suppiah replacement WSM (could be Lewis but I'm not convinced I have to say or Alex with the same lack of confidence)
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Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 07:05
Great win well led by Marcus. It appeared to me as if he had decided that he was going to attack every ball bowled to him. A sort of innings which was without fear, or I just want to get a lot of frustration out of my system. A few dot balls where the ball was well fielded, including the hardest drive I've ever seen him make to mid off where Klinger stopped brilliantly and saved any runs. Of the 28 balls Marcus faced, there were 7 fours and most of the rest were singles because he was hitting the ball so hard to the fielders. I do not remember even one defensive shot. Great entertainment, and lets hope he has turned the corner.
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Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 07:53
That's the most encouraging post I've read for a long time. Dare we hope for a repeat today?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 08:34
I hope you are correct 'Old Boy' I didn't see it quite like that but there was a lot of encouragement especially from any loose balls bowled at him.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 09:00
My main point is Mike - did you see him block one ball, as opposed to Craig who deadbatted many? And the ball that Klinger fielded at Mid Off very near to your position was a brilliant piece of cricket.
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Posted by: just in (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 09:11
Mr G you have an in built preference for Chris Jones.
Nothing wrong with that, you seem to know him quite well and I understand you taught him so naturally you have some affiliation.For both Lewis and Alex, I don't believe you have the same connection but are willing to speculate on their mental capacity (confidence) from the side lines. From what I have seen of both, they are highly talented cricketers, with a great work ethic and are determined to make a success of their fledgling county cricket careers. Not only that, I'm sure they want to build on their International recognition, both being England U19 players. They are a year younger than Chris, still finding their way in first class cricket as are all our young recruits. In my opinion, we have a great bunch of young players and they are all, the future of Somerset cricket. Do Chris and Meshy have more confidence? Well, I can speculate like you, but what I do know is that they all have talent. Confidence grows with experience, is built through practice, enhanced with praise. So I'm adding my support not only to Lewis and Alex but to all our young cricketers.Should Jos or Nick choose to move on, I have no doubt that Lewis, Alex, Chris or Meshy, have the ability and desire to become forthright replacements.
Nothing wrong with that, you seem to know him quite well and I understand you taught him so naturally you have some affiliation.For both Lewis and Alex, I don't believe you have the same connection but are willing to speculate on their mental capacity (confidence) from the side lines. From what I have seen of both, they are highly talented cricketers, with a great work ethic and are determined to make a success of their fledgling county cricket careers. Not only that, I'm sure they want to build on their International recognition, both being England U19 players. They are a year younger than Chris, still finding their way in first class cricket as are all our young recruits. In my opinion, we have a great bunch of young players and they are all, the future of Somerset cricket. Do Chris and Meshy have more confidence? Well, I can speculate like you, but what I do know is that they all have talent. Confidence grows with experience, is built through practice, enhanced with praise. So I'm adding my support not only to Lewis and Alex but to all our young cricketers.Should Jos or Nick choose to move on, I have no doubt that Lewis, Alex, Chris or Meshy, have the ability and desire to become forthright replacements.
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Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 09:18
I have doubts about their position Just In rather than their mental capacity. I'm not sure if Lewis is looking for a batsman or a bowling berth (I'd suggest batting because I'm unsure his body is up to bowling). Alex seemed to consolidate himself when he was also taking the gloves and may come back stronger - at times in his earlier games this season he looked like what he was, a boy in the company of men.
I didn't teach Chris for very long but the one thing you get from the guy very quickly is that he has oodles of self confidence and his place, if he makes it, is in the top 3/4.
He may not stay in cricket but he is solid - a Nick character. Mesch's bowling needs work but he has come out in short format games ready to take it on and seems capable of doing so. To be honest, our real replacement for the big hitting world class version of Jos is presently his colleague keeper.
I hope they all come through. I'm far more worried about Dibble who is not in the picture at all even when fit but many on here seem to think is one of our bowling solutions. I wish I could be so confident.
I didn't teach Chris for very long but the one thing you get from the guy very quickly is that he has oodles of self confidence and his place, if he makes it, is in the top 3/4.
He may not stay in cricket but he is solid - a Nick character. Mesch's bowling needs work but he has come out in short format games ready to take it on and seems capable of doing so. To be honest, our real replacement for the big hitting world class version of Jos is presently his colleague keeper.
I hope they all come through. I'm far more worried about Dibble who is not in the picture at all even when fit but many on here seem to think is one of our bowling solutions. I wish I could be so confident.
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Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 10:32
That was a cracking performance against the 'old enemy'!
Our ground fielding was not great with several fumbles in the field which led to second runs. Max of course is excluded from any such criticism. He was electric again and batters were always cautious when he was swooping onto the ball.
The bowling was tough on such a good pitch but, as noted by others, Kirbs had an uncharacteristic blip with two pretty wold leg-side wides in one over. That said apart from Max Klinger (for all M*A*S*H fans!) the Gloucs batters did not get away from us and the total looked rather gettable.
We started off like trains with Tres finding some form and Craig exploding out of the blocks - going at ten an over which got us well ahead of the game.
Kiesy was magnificent and showed great maturity in his approach and judgement as to which balls to attack. He hit some cracking shots.
Tres was very well caught by Klinger who had a storming game for Gloucs. Trigger batted very well too and one of his sixes went to the back of the carpark clearing the OP with considerable ease!! Alviro was a slight disappointment but the shot he was out to he seemed to check on has he was about to hit it. But it still went to the deep boundary at mid wicket were he was caught.
Compo played a fine Compo one-day innings and we were home and hosed!
Our ground fielding was not great with several fumbles in the field which led to second runs. Max of course is excluded from any such criticism. He was electric again and batters were always cautious when he was swooping onto the ball.
The bowling was tough on such a good pitch but, as noted by others, Kirbs had an uncharacteristic blip with two pretty wold leg-side wides in one over. That said apart from Max Klinger (for all M*A*S*H fans!) the Gloucs batters did not get away from us and the total looked rather gettable.
We started off like trains with Tres finding some form and Craig exploding out of the blocks - going at ten an over which got us well ahead of the game.
Kiesy was magnificent and showed great maturity in his approach and judgement as to which balls to attack. He hit some cracking shots.
Tres was very well caught by Klinger who had a storming game for Gloucs. Trigger batted very well too and one of his sixes went to the back of the carpark clearing the OP with considerable ease!! Alviro was a slight disappointment but the shot he was out to he seemed to check on has he was about to hit it. But it still went to the deep boundary at mid wicket were he was caught.
Compo played a fine Compo one-day innings and we were home and hosed!
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Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 11:10
Dibble hasnt had a chance and Nos seems reluctant to give him that chance......but he did give him 2 year contract and surely that wasnt to just play 2nd team cricket.
Theres not much the boy can do if he doesnt get his opportunity except keep knocking at the door.
Theres not much the boy can do if he doesnt get his opportunity except keep knocking at the door.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 11:49
I'm a bit bemused Grockle, that you've twice mentioned in your last few posts about Chris Jones having other options, which he might take up. That was always my understanding, too. But when I posted a few weeks ago to say that I'd seen an article about Jones in which he said he was definitely going to give cricket a "damn good go" before considering anything else you asked me something to the effect of "why on earth shouldn't that be the case?"
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 11:54
As to the young players as a group - in terms of first-class cricket we've had one encouraging innings each from Jones and Barrow in first-class cricket this season. The former in the tour game, the latter probably saving us from what would otherwise have been a CC defeat.
Both men will probably get more chances between now and the end of the season, with AP off and Jos having other games to play in.
I really, really hope they are able to build on those previous innings THIS season, because now should be when their confidence is up. Barrow has also had at least two (maybe three?) successive tons at second XI level in recent weeks.
But if the SCCC strategy for when Jos leaves (as he surely will) and if NC leaves is really going to be to say that we don't need to add anyone and "we're just going with our group of talented youngsters", then ways urgently need to be found to expedite the development of said youngsters.
Hire specialist coaches, send them all over the world to gain experience in different conditions, whatever is needed, but as a group they've not previously been ready when called upon in CC cricket and I think they are going to need to have to improve quickly to get to the point where they can play with fairly consistent effectiveness in the CC team next season.
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Both men will probably get more chances between now and the end of the season, with AP off and Jos having other games to play in.
I really, really hope they are able to build on those previous innings THIS season, because now should be when their confidence is up. Barrow has also had at least two (maybe three?) successive tons at second XI level in recent weeks.
But if the SCCC strategy for when Jos leaves (as he surely will) and if NC leaves is really going to be to say that we don't need to add anyone and "we're just going with our group of talented youngsters", then ways urgently need to be found to expedite the development of said youngsters.
Hire specialist coaches, send them all over the world to gain experience in different conditions, whatever is needed, but as a group they've not previously been ready when called upon in CC cricket and I think they are going to need to have to improve quickly to get to the point where they can play with fairly consistent effectiveness in the CC team next season.
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Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 12:12
I know you tend to disregard any cricket that is not played with a red ball but Chris ones also made 53* in a T20 match, which is reasonably significant too.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 12:16
Yes, I was meaning in first-class cricket and will correct the above post to reflect that.
One day cricket is something of a different kettle of fish.. Meschede has had several encouraging performances in those games this season, and Gregory in previous seasons. Although he since seems to have become the invisible man, Adam Dibble did really well in the CLT20 as well.
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One day cricket is something of a different kettle of fish.. Meschede has had several encouraging performances in those games this season, and Gregory in previous seasons. Although he since seems to have become the invisible man, Adam Dibble did really well in the CLT20 as well.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 12:28
Did you know.
We have a batsman who has scored the most runs in the competition.
We have a bowler who has taken the most number of wickets in the competition.
Did you know.
We have a batsman who has scored the most runs in the competition.
We have a bowler who has taken the most number of wickets in the competition.
Did you know.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 12:37
I did know.
We have a batsman that has made the most runs in this competition.
We have a bowler that has taken the most wickets in this competition.
I did know.
We have a batsman that has made the most runs in this competition.
We have a bowler that has taken the most wickets in this competition.
I did know.
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Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 13:35
A God your post of 11.54 is spot on IMO
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 13:37
I thought you would AG.
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Posted by: Connaught Opener (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:38
Lost toss. We are batting. Still no Hildreth. Dibble in.
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Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:40
Is Alf injured?
Hopefully just resting.
Glad to see Dibble getting a chance.
Hopefully just resting.
Glad to see Dibble getting a chance.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:44
Unfortunately, it's back to reality in terms of Marcus today (Glam have a much better bowling line-up than Gloucs and one would guess the track is not as flat as yesterday's).
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Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:47
Alf has a bruised Ankle(again), opportunity for Dibble at long last.
Not a good start.
Not a good start.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:49
I was praying my thoughts on Marcus were not correct, I was not totally convinced yesterday like some were.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:52
Obviously, I wasn't there, MIke, so I don't know what he (Tres) looked like yesterday
But I think one has to assume that there is a strong element of wishful thinking in assessments of Marcus at the moment.
re: Alf, at least he should hopefully be okay for Edgbaston, then, which is the main thing.
I'm actually looking forward to Dibble batting as think he can smash it.
But I think one has to assume that there is a strong element of wishful thinking in assessments of Marcus at the moment.
re: Alf, at least he should hopefully be okay for Edgbaston, then, which is the main thing.
I'm actually looking forward to Dibble batting as think he can smash it.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:52
Mike - neither was I! Why do you think I was making the point that he abandonned all signs of defence yesterday - rather desparate I'm afraid!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Following on (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:53
One scoring shot, a four from PT, in three overs. Different game to yesterday!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:55
Your point yesterday, Old Boy, could certainly have been read to mean the exact opposite of what you say you meant.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:55
Bit of a liability now is Tres Im afraid. How many times has he left us 0 for 1.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 16:56
And, yes, Following On, we must expect a different game to yesterday.
We seldom bat well here at Cardiff but have sometimes had some exceptional performances - one by De Bruyn with the bat, one by Suppiah with the ball, to bail us out.
We seldom bat well here at Cardiff but have sometimes had some exceptional performances - one by De Bruyn with the bat, one by Suppiah with the ball, to bail us out.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:00
Quote:A bit too deep for you AG. Why do you think I was indicating that Marcus hit out at every ball regardless. A sure sign that things were not right. I was delighted for him that he made a few runs, but the match was won by CK.AGod
Your point yesterday, Old Boy, could certainly have been read to mean the exact opposite of what you say you meant.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:08
Nope, you've never been too "deep" for me oh profound one.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:10
Quote:Ronniesabre
Bit of a liability now is Tres Im afraid. How many times has he left us 0 for 1.
Unfortunately, since the start of the T20 window, he seems to be going downhill at a rate of knots, Ronnie.
His season, prior to that, looked as though it could go either way but now I'd be very surprised if he does anything between now and the end of the season.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:12
IMO the dropping of James for the third match running (at this time in his career) will surely persuade him to ask the DOC if he really rates him - if not I can see a request coming in from him " Can you tear up my contract and I will go somewhere where I am wanted". IMO James would be one of the first names on my list - those left in had better score big otherwise, a lot of us will be wondering about the DOC's competence for that job - everything he has tried this season to date has turned to dust! A nice chap though!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:14
Old Boy - are many of us not already wondering about DN and the job he has done this season?
Admittedly, he's not in form but neither is Marcus and James hasn't had a recent injury and is far more athletic in the field.
With Pete a big success opening in Pro 40 format this season, it seems obvious to me that Pete should be opening with CK.
Admittedly, he's not in form but neither is Marcus and James hasn't had a recent injury and is far more athletic in the field.
With Pete a big success opening in Pro 40 format this season, it seems obvious to me that Pete should be opening with CK.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:46
Quote:Loyal of Lhasa.
Thank you, Mr Petersen. Can we have our Hildreth back now, please?
... at the risk of repeating myself...
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:46
Not the best of starts, but the Glamorgan pitch is always iffy/. If we can hang in there and get near 200 then the bowlers have a chance.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:48
Seems DOC may have put too much pressure on Alviro. It has got to be James on Thursday!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:54
If not, I'll have to cancel my Life Membership, which I think will probably require me to cancel my life.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 17:56
So the golden boy gets 20 overs to do his stuff. Can he deliver
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 18:58
This situation must be ideal for Nick C he can play his natural game, and good for him for staying in with Jos.
Do Glamorgan have pitch like this for ODI's?
Do Glamorgan have pitch like this for ODI's?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 19:17
Shame he didn't see it through but good rescue job.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 19:18
Well done to Jos in what I assume to be his final Somerset knock.
Pure conjecture, I know, but I sort of suspect that, unlike DN, Brian Rose might have found a way to finesse this situation with Jos and CK.
Pure conjecture, I know, but I sort of suspect that, unlike DN, Brian Rose might have found a way to finesse this situation with Jos and CK.
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Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 19:46
A more than useful total on that pitch, I hope.
It sounded like a terrific partnership to rescue us from a bit of bother early on.
It sounded like a terrific partnership to rescue us from a bit of bother early on.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:16
Oh dear. It appears as though their vastly superior start may be the difference in this one.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:24
A lot of slightly odd and premature conjecture above I note. I think it's entirely possible that DN, MT and probably JH himself have had a chat, noted that James has played nearly every game this season, and said, while AP is still here, let's give James a week off, re-charge the batteries, then come back after Alviro has to go.
As far as I know, there's no indication at all that JH is unhappy or another one in the exit queue - maybe he was just deemed deserving of a week's rest.
As far as I know, there's no indication at all that JH is unhappy or another one in the exit queue - maybe he was just deemed deserving of a week's rest.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:28
Have to agree with your Shep. Absolutely no reason why Somerset may just be resting James for the CC with Petersen gone and probably a bowler coming in.
It may not be working but that may have been the ploy.
Also no idea why DN is being blamed for Alviro's lack of one day form OB. If you want to blame anyone blame South African Cricket not our resident Saffer.
It may not be working but that may have been the ploy.
Also no idea why DN is being blamed for Alviro's lack of one day form OB. If you want to blame anyone blame South African Cricket not our resident Saffer.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:28
I doubt JH would have volunteered for a week off!!! I don't think professional players are generally in the habit of doing that.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:31
That's a nice thought, SP, that I'd like to believe is true. JH probably would benefit from a week off, but surely it should be a week away from cricket altogether. Yet he was twelfth man at The Oval and I think he may have been twelfth man yesterday as well, though I don't know for sure or whether he was involved today. A week off should not involve going to the office every day.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:35
As for somebody coming in? Still we wait to see if anyone will and to uncover the identity of any new man.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:37
Who said anything about 'volunteering'? Surely you expect these things to be discussed between professionals and the good ones do what is best for the club based on the perception at the time?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:39
Quote:AGod
Oh dear. It appears as though their vastly superior start may be the difference in this one.
I just dont't know how you keep up this relentless positivity, Agod
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:40
I didn't say "volunteered" (I don't think) - I said they had a chat and decided it might be good thing all round - or that's what I meant anyway. Just a theory...
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:44
Come on Max, time for some jaffas
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:49
Well, Grockle James doesn't have the option of picking himself. DN and/or Tres could have 'discussed' with JH that they wanted JH to rest but that's not the same thing as suggesting that JH would be happy about it.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:50
Quote:Grockle
Have to agree with your Shep. Absolutely no reason why Somerset may just be resting James for the CC with Petersen gone and probably a bowler coming in.
It may not be working but that may have been the ploy.
Also no idea why DN is being blamed for Alviro's lack of one day form OB. If you want to blame anyone blame South African Cricket not our resident Saffer.
Have I blamed DN for Petersen's lack of one day form?? You know I haven't! I blame him for picking him INSTEAD of JAMES! However, he gets paid to make those decisions and, surely he can expect criticism if he gets it wrong! I would assume by the same token he would expect to receive praise if he had got it right.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 20:53
They should coast home from here. May have been an important toss? Did pitch start damp or something? Or Hogan just too good for us?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:01
There are quite a few things I don't understand re our strategy at the moment.
Hopefully, there is a secret master plan, which will be revealed soon.
Unless the King is wearing no clothes ?
Either way, it could be an interesting winter.
Grizzzly
Hopefully, there is a secret master plan, which will be revealed soon.
Unless the King is wearing no clothes ?
Either way, it could be an interesting winter.
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:03
Quote:old boy!
Seems DOC may have put too much pressure on Alviro. It has got to be James on Thursday!
Your word OB not mine.
You have as much idea about whether James is unhappy or happy about it as I have about whether he was party to the present team selection. Please don't suggest that your theory has any more weight than anyone else's AG.
We rest other players who have long and arduous seasons and there is no reason why James cannot be rested or appreciate the chance to recharge batteries for an important role in the next few matches.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:05
Grizzly - I seriously doubt there is a 'master-plan'!!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:07
I think it is going to be an interesting September BEFORE the interesting winter Grizzz
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:10
I agree there's no reason why James shouldn't be rested, but three consecutive games seems excessive, particularly given Marcus's form at the moment.
Come to think of it, the last senior player I can remember being 'rested' for three consecutive 40 over games was IDB.
Now that really was a pigs ear.
Grizzzly
Come to think of it, the last senior player I can remember being 'rested' for three consecutive 40 over games was IDB.
Now that really was a pigs ear.
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:15
Yes, one get's the feeling there is an ill fitting lid on top of quite a few bubbling issues right now.
Bit like a septic tank with a few dodgy seals.
When it breaks, it likely won't smell good & who gets hit by how much is anyone's guess. (As is who is lucky enough to see the effluent drift harmlessly past them).
Grizzzly
Bit like a septic tank with a few dodgy seals.
When it breaks, it likely won't smell good & who gets hit by how much is anyone's guess. (As is who is lucky enough to see the effluent drift harmlessly past them).
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:17
Good time to get a couple of wickets.
Well done Mesch & Tango.
Grizzzly
Well done Mesch & Tango.
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:18
Can I claim a hat trick ?
Don't think I've ever posted three times unanswered before.
Who know's, it might even be four now !
Grizzzly
Don't think I've ever posted three times unanswered before.
Who know's, it might even be four now !
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:25
Ian wasn't rested Grizzz he was dropped.
With too many senior middle order players for the places available and factoring in that one of them is being courted to stay at the club I don't think this is a normal situation.
It hasn't worked but I did say that this decision may have been taking on the perception at the tie and not on hindsight from us looking at it now. Having said that we did not lose the last one.
With too many senior middle order players for the places available and factoring in that one of them is being courted to stay at the club I don't think this is a normal situation.
It hasn't worked but I did say that this decision may have been taking on the perception at the tie and not on hindsight from us looking at it now. Having said that we did not lose the last one.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:30
By "vastly superior start", AG, I assume that you are referring to the fact that they scored one run before losing their first wicket?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:30
I know IDB was dropped Grockle, that was my point.
Anyway, fingers firmly crossed that you're right & hopefully, James will be back with a bang on Thursday.
Grizzzly
Anyway, fingers firmly crossed that you're right & hopefully, James will be back with a bang on Thursday.
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:40
But we all knew that was what was happening with IDB - there has been no evidence whatsoever to suggest James has any unrest with the club though we do know they are talking extensively to NC.
I think Shep and myself are just saying it is not a forgone conclusion that this is happening without James own contribution and once again we then continue to make the point when that idea is poo'poo'd by other posters who seem to imply that we are naïve fools and the real answer is obviously their own suggested theory (not you I might add)
As you point out, whatever the source of the idea it isn't working particularly well for the middle order.
I think Shep and myself are just saying it is not a forgone conclusion that this is happening without James own contribution and once again we then continue to make the point when that idea is poo'poo'd by other posters who seem to imply that we are naïve fools and the real answer is obviously their own suggested theory (not you I might add)
As you point out, whatever the source of the idea it isn't working particularly well for the middle order.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 21:49
Kirbs the most economical bowler and presently highest wicket taker in game again. But this looks like Glamorgan's unless there is a real fightback from the boys in the last 10. Less than 50 needed.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:01
Quite perplexing when bowlers bowl tightly then we don't keep em on.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:03
Alfonso is not the captain Both.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:09
Quote:Botham
Quite perplexing when bowlers bowl tightly then we don't keep em on.
It's quite perplexing when bowlers bowl tightly that they are criticised by the posting public here but there we go.
Two more down however and it's Jamie and that Kirby bloke we keep insisting must be dropped for younger bowlers. Hey ho....is it too late? 25 needed or 4 wickets.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:11
Can't argue with any of that Grockle.
I guess I was a trifle unnerved by the issues re James short period of Captaincy last year. (Reading AN's comments in his book did nothing to help !).
Hopefully, this has nothing whatever to do with his current hiatus.
Grizzzly
Glam six down now, but only need 22 off 6. Would be a good game to win from here.
I guess I was a trifle unnerved by the issues re James short period of Captaincy last year. (Reading AN's comments in his book did nothing to help !).
Hopefully, this has nothing whatever to do with his current hiatus.
Grizzzly
Glam six down now, but only need 22 off 6. Would be a good game to win from here.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:18
Two more wickets
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:25
Last man in - 8 needed.
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:26
Well done, Adam Dibble.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:36
Poop.
Must have been nail biter.
Grizzzly
Must have been nail biter.
Grizzzly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:37
No damage to our RR.
Well done Somerset on getting so close.
Well done Somerset on getting so close.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:37
Very good effort. From a poor start to an O so nearly
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:40
So close. Good effort to claw it back
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:42
Quote:Frome Exile
By "vastly superior start", AG, I assume that you are referring to the fact that they scored one run before losing their first wicket?
Didn't they make about 70 off their first 10 overs, and us about 35?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:46
Nearly defended an inadequate total - well done guys but we need to get over 6 an over to really pressurise sides.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:46
It was a joke, for heaven's sake!!!!!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 22:51
FE, Agod is often so quick to contradict or point out an invalid comment he misses the Smiley face:-)
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2013 23:15
Quote:GrockleQuote:Botham
Quite perplexing when bowlers bowl tightly then we don't keep em on.
It's quite perplexing when bowlers bowl tightly that they are criticised by the posting public here but there we go.
Two more down however and it's Jamie and that Kirby bloke we keep insisting must be dropped for younger bowlers. Hey ho....is it too late? 25 needed or 4 wickets.
Why don't you use your search facility and you'll find that 'certain' posters have recently improved Kirby for much improved bowling, but why let that get in the way of an opportunity to have a dig?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:10
This site makes my eyes bleed.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:14
Somerset were unlucky not to dismiss Mark Wallace, the leading Glamorgan batsman at Cardiff last night, before he had scored a run.
In Peter Trego`s second over, Wallace shimmied down the wicket to the third ball and Craig K appealed for a catch behind.
The umpire gave him not out, but quick as a flash Craig realised Wallace was still well out of his crease, underarmed the ball at the stumps and, for a rare once, actually hit them.
Three or four Somerset players immediately appealed for the stumping, but unfortunately square leg umpire Richard Kettleborough (usually one of the better ones) was still looking at the umpire at the bowler`s end to see what decision he had given on the `caught behind` appeal.
So his attention wasn`t on the key moment the stumps were broken, and plainly he couldn`t give Wallace out. So Wallace remained to hit a quick-fire 70 that was the deciding factor in Glamorgan getting home by one wicket.
In Peter Trego`s second over, Wallace shimmied down the wicket to the third ball and Craig K appealed for a catch behind.
The umpire gave him not out, but quick as a flash Craig realised Wallace was still well out of his crease, underarmed the ball at the stumps and, for a rare once, actually hit them.
Three or four Somerset players immediately appealed for the stumping, but unfortunately square leg umpire Richard Kettleborough (usually one of the better ones) was still looking at the umpire at the bowler`s end to see what decision he had given on the `caught behind` appeal.
So his attention wasn`t on the key moment the stumps were broken, and plainly he couldn`t give Wallace out. So Wallace remained to hit a quick-fire 70 that was the deciding factor in Glamorgan getting home by one wicket.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:19
Whoa "Persecution Man". Not one mention of you or any individual comment about 'certain' posters at all.
If you use the same search facility you will see I am well aware of your comments on Steve - You'll find I commented I believe.
I am personally unaware of you suggesting he is replaced by younger players - have I missed that.
The post refers to the plural 'posting public' and a plural 'we'. All the rest is in your own head I am afraid Mr B
Back to the churchyard ball for you I think because all the digging here seems to be coming from you.
Edit: Sorry post disappeared and then returned
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If you use the same search facility you will see I am well aware of your comments on Steve - You'll find I commented I believe.
I am personally unaware of you suggesting he is replaced by younger players - have I missed that.
The post refers to the plural 'posting public' and a plural 'we'. All the rest is in your own head I am afraid Mr B
Back to the churchyard ball for you I think because all the digging here seems to be coming from you.
Edit: Sorry post disappeared and then returned
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:37
Just home after a long return trip (stupid motorway J21!)
Awful start to our innings, slow middle but good end (although Buttler til end could have seen us 245/250.
Awful start to our bowling, steady middle and superb end, much helped by reckless Glamorgan batting but we stuck in there and with 8 needed from last pair we were right in it.
Doesn't mask a very hurtful loss and now 2 wins may not be enough but going to be tight and RR may help us come the end, but as usual we are making it hard for ourselves.
Excellent catches from Kiesy, Dibble and Jos tonight, top drawer.
Only other downside was crowd, barely 400/500 i'd say, (of which half were Somerset), and bunch of absolute clowns behind us who were tanked up just shouting random stuff at our boundary fielders the whole 2nd innings, stewards did absolutely nothing, would never happen at Taunton!
Awful start to our innings, slow middle but good end (although Buttler til end could have seen us 245/250.
Awful start to our bowling, steady middle and superb end, much helped by reckless Glamorgan batting but we stuck in there and with 8 needed from last pair we were right in it.
Doesn't mask a very hurtful loss and now 2 wins may not be enough but going to be tight and RR may help us come the end, but as usual we are making it hard for ourselves.
Excellent catches from Kiesy, Dibble and Jos tonight, top drawer.
Only other downside was crowd, barely 400/500 i'd say, (of which half were Somerset), and bunch of absolute clowns behind us who were tanked up just shouting random stuff at our boundary fielders the whole 2nd innings, stewards did absolutely nothing, would never happen at Taunton!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:37
See what I mean.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:42
Not sure Scrumper but bleeding eyes would certainly make me personally stop reading!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 00:56
It really is a graveyard for anything but Tests that place. Does it ever get a decent crowd?
One of the snappers said last time they went there the problem was not finding pictures of action on the pitch but being able to take them with any crowd in the background
One of the snappers said last time they went there the problem was not finding pictures of action on the pitch but being able to take them with any crowd in the background
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 06:31
Saw andy hurry s comments on the main site. We did really well over last 17 overs.....errr andy uts a 40 over game.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 07:32
Quote:Nailsea_Fizz
FE, Agod is often so quick to contradict or point out an invalid comment he misses the Smiley face:-)
At least the contradiction was short.! I have taken a vow to never read beyond the first two or three lines in the "essays" that arise from that direction! I've explained before - my eyelids just sort of close over!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 07:42
Reasonable comments from Andy Hurry quoted on the club website. Wonder why he was put up to explain when, IMO the real problem was the selection policy.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: KeynshamLad (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 07:59
Quote:wsm fan
...shouting random stuff at our boundary fielders the whole 2nd innings, stewards did absolutely nothing, would never happen at Taunton!
Just thought I would record that I reported some unrepeatable stuff at a YB40 match from (I'm fairly certain) away supporters and stewards took action. Worth doing.
Before OB asks, anyone guess or know why Max had only four overs last night despite very good economy rate?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 08:00
Ah its bringing back the memories of the clueless management during the Cottam and Shine years. Dejavu
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 08:34
Max only bowled four overs - who was captain last night??!
A great match - wasted on only 400/500 spectators.
Really pleased to see Officer Dibble back in the ranks and performing well.
A great match - wasted on only 400/500 spectators.
Really pleased to see Officer Dibble back in the ranks and performing well.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 08:35
Anything to do with the Glamorgan supporters sliding on the wet sheets during a rain relay and nothing was done about it??
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 08:52
Those wonderful 'early days'. That was a wet and frustrating day - one whole innings and then nothing. They were funny - though I'm not sure Phil was as impressed about his covers.
The next Welsh visit after that one was a floodlit one I think and we employed bouncers from Norton Manor Camp for it!
The next Welsh visit after that one was a floodlit one I think and we employed bouncers from Norton Manor Camp for it!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 08:55
Quote:averageside
Ah its bringing back the memories of the clueless management during the Cottam and Shine years. Dejavu
I don't think either of them were 'managers' Average (did they cross?). Does that include the 'clueless management' when Dermott was in charge but on TMS all the time and Kev and his side won us a one day title?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 09:27
Glamorgan v Middlesex under the Cardiff lights tomorrow - and on television - is a key YB40 match in our group now, as whoever wins will equal our current points tally at the top. Pity the Unicorns lost to Middx by a single wicket on Sunday.
As a previous poster predicted, we will be without Jos Buttler against Yorkshire the following day, because of the two-day Lions match against Australia.
But Yorkshire will now miss Alix Lees and Gary Ballance (two of the Boycott/Vaughan Yorkshire mafia merchandise) as well as Liam Plunkett for the same reason.
As a previous poster predicted, we will be without Jos Buttler against Yorkshire the following day, because of the two-day Lions match against Australia.
But Yorkshire will now miss Alix Lees and Gary Ballance (two of the Boycott/Vaughan Yorkshire mafia merchandise) as well as Liam Plunkett for the same reason.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 11:28
Scrumper, I see and know.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: smallfrysom (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 13:14
Quote:Whatever their titles were "Director of Cricket", "Head Coach"or chief cook and bottle washer, it was all "cricket management"and yes , The one day C&G win was while the championship cricket results were in free fall near the bottom of the table, similar to now.GrockleQuote:averageside
Ah its bringing back the memories of the clueless management during the Cottam and Shine years. Dejavu
I don't think either of them were 'managers' Average (did they cross?). Does that include the 'clueless management' when Dermott was in charge but on TMS all the time and Kev and his side won us a one day title?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 13:17
But they did come second in the CC (joint best-ever finish) the year before we beat Leics in the C & G Final, if memory serves.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 14:47
I think Cotham was never anything but the bowling coach and Dermot was head coach that year but, it seems, partial to powder and never here. Not really Kev's fault as he was dropped into the job from First Team coach. Didn't we also win the T20 with him in charge as well?
I think you are slightly confused about who was in charge and who actually was doing the job at that time.
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I think you are slightly confused about who was in charge and who actually was doing the job at that time.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 15:29
Bob Cottam was the Director of Cricket at Somerset for a few years - never simply a bowling coach.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 15:46
Bob Cottam was certainly Director of Cricket for a number of years. IMO, results in the CC him were largely reasonable, so far as I recall.
Certainly, nothing like the dark days of 2006 when we propped up the second division.
Certainly, nothing like the dark days of 2006 when we propped up the second division.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 15:54
But from about 2002(?) he was simply the bowling coach wasn't he? Dermot was the big man gonna change our game wasn't he?
No arguments about 2006, 2007 but wasn't that Garraway? Can't remember when he started but he as certainly part of the removal of Rob Turner in 2005 and I know he moved from second team coach to first when Kev Shine became youth coach to start the Academy as it is now before they both went to the England camp.
No arguments about 2006, 2007 but wasn't that Garraway? Can't remember when he started but he as certainly part of the removal of Rob Turner in 2005 and I know he moved from second team coach to first when Kev Shine became youth coach to start the Academy as it is now before they both went to the England camp.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 15:56
Well whatever has been happening James has his thirst back. 224 from 104 balls against Cornwall today - let's see him bring THAT to the middle in the rest of this season!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 15:58
I actually think 2006 was Brian Rose's first season with the promotion season of 2007 being his second.
Garraway, I think was 2004 and 2005.
Garraway, I think was 2004 and 2005.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 16:01
[www.espncricinfo.com]
Cottam left in 1998 to become the England bowling coach. Reeve took over when Cottam left.
It's a hell of a career bowling record, by the way!
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Cottam left in 1998 to become the England bowling coach. Reeve took over when Cottam left.
It's a hell of a career bowling record, by the way!
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 16:13
Yep I thought he was much earlier and I seem to remember that he was simply the SCCC bowling coach working with Andy Caddick before that. I've no idea who the head coach as then.
From what I can recall Reeve was player coach for a couple of seasons before taking over coaching only and then his 'media commitments' took their toll in 2003. I remember a mobile phone argument between Kev and Dermot at Scarborough and then us getting to the Leics final while only hearing Dermot most of the time on the radio in the Stragglers that season.
Kev must therefore have been in charge by default in 2004 and Garraway took over in 2005 then because I am sure he was in charge when Rob Turner left at the end of that season - though he may not have been in charge all season because the changeover all happened quickly. They both went at the end of 2006 then I suppose with Rose and Langer(?) coming in for 2007? Or was Langer already here by the time Rose took over?
From what I can recall Reeve was player coach for a couple of seasons before taking over coaching only and then his 'media commitments' took their toll in 2003. I remember a mobile phone argument between Kev and Dermot at Scarborough and then us getting to the Leics final while only hearing Dermot most of the time on the radio in the Stragglers that season.
Kev must therefore have been in charge by default in 2004 and Garraway took over in 2005 then because I am sure he was in charge when Rob Turner left at the end of that season - though he may not have been in charge all season because the changeover all happened quickly. They both went at the end of 2006 then I suppose with Rose and Langer(?) coming in for 2007? Or was Langer already here by the time Rose took over?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 16:16
Think Rose took over in 2006 and spent a year trying to clear up the mess that he inherited but decided that he couldn't do it all on his own, so hired Langer for 2007 to help lick the place into shape.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 16:25
It must have been a mess because Reeve left the place having not really done the job for about 18 months before he went and leaving the most senior coach at the time - Kev Shine - in charge but with no official title and about halfway through the programmes that were supposed to help him become more than a bowling coach.
He was then given the job of sorting it out the next season and I think the next changeover came halfway through 2005 when Mark Garraway took over the first team (not sure if he was qualified or not) after being appointed as second team coach and they gave Kev the job he'd been training up to take over under Reeve - the youth programme co-ordinator. Lots saw this as a demotion. Shiney certainly didn't have that opinion, never really wanting the main job anyway - Bit like Burnsy with the captaincy.
Rose must have been a year earlier because I think I remember both Garraway and Shine being called into the England coaching system before they'd done a year in specific roles - so 2006 ish. So that fits.... sort of.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:13:16:33:54 by Grockle.
He was then given the job of sorting it out the next season and I think the next changeover came halfway through 2005 when Mark Garraway took over the first team (not sure if he was qualified or not) after being appointed as second team coach and they gave Kev the job he'd been training up to take over under Reeve - the youth programme co-ordinator. Lots saw this as a demotion. Shiney certainly didn't have that opinion, never really wanting the main job anyway - Bit like Burnsy with the captaincy.
Rose must have been a year earlier because I think I remember both Garraway and Shine being called into the England coaching system before they'd done a year in specific roles - so 2006 ish. So that fits.... sort of.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:13:16:33:54 by Grockle.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: KeynshamLad (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 17:04
Sometimes not quite sure who is asking whom what but for the record what I reported earlier this season - the Worcester match I think - was some filthy racist language.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 18:36
For the record, does anyone know how Rob and Lucy Turner are? I remember Lucy posting a few years back.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 18:44
Without digging (sorry to reply just after you, please don't take personal offence or see it as anything other than a reply to your enquiry).
Lucy was at the ground and talked to Tractor and a couple of others during the Sussex game I think.
Lucy was at the ground and talked to Tractor and a couple of others during the Sussex game I think.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 18:58
And Rob has played a few games for WSM this season.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 19:06
Rob is coach to Taunton St Andrews under 13s.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 19:15
I think Botham was asking because Lucy and Turner Junior (who may not be as Junior any more) continued to come to the ground as spectators for a while after Rob left Somerset and then posted for a short time after she stopped doing that.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 20:16
I have also spoken to Lucy she always make a point of speaking a very pleasant person.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 10:55
Glamorgan v Middlesex today who even wins will be on level points with game/games in hand, a rain off match would be great for us. (it is now raining in Taunton)
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 11:12
At Bicknoller Towers as well... fingers crossed.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 11:52
Don't forget that Glouc are already level with a game in hand !!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 11:57
Yeah, with only one certain qualifier from the group, this competition may no longer be one in which we can expect to qualify.
Yorkshire gave up on it a long time ago and will turn up with a group of very young bowlers tomorrow so there's certainly scope there for Somerset to potentially bully them and win that game by a wide margin, but it looks as though too many other sides have the scope to finish ahead of us.
To be honest, going through would arguably only serve to paper over the cracks, as it arguably would have done in the T20.
Yorkshire gave up on it a long time ago and will turn up with a group of very young bowlers tomorrow so there's certainly scope there for Somerset to potentially bully them and win that game by a wide margin, but it looks as though too many other sides have the scope to finish ahead of us.
To be honest, going through would arguably only serve to paper over the cracks, as it arguably would have done in the T20.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 12:13
And with Gloucester playing Middlesex tomorrow, it is getting all to complicated for me.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 12:48
I never hold with this "a win would paper over the cracks" malarkey - set out to win every game, worthwhile or not, (albeit there may be a bigger picture in, for example, resting bowlers from one comp so they're fresher for another), then review honestly at the end of the season.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 12:52
Compete in every competition is the welcomed policy of the club.
Why the club should not be able to see every competition as different and assess weakness and strength in each on that basis when people here seem capable of it is always beyond me.
Does anyone here seriously think that if we won the Pro40 the presence of that cup could be used to get supporters, the media and the players to forget how miserable most of our CC1 performances have been?
Why the club should not be able to see every competition as different and assess weakness and strength in each on that basis when people here seem capable of it is always beyond me.
Does anyone here seriously think that if we won the Pro40 the presence of that cup could be used to get supporters, the media and the players to forget how miserable most of our CC1 performances have been?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:06
No absolutely not.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:12
...though it would be better than NOT winning it 
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:20
I could see the club coming out with a statement (in the event that we won the Pro 40 and irrespective of our fate in the CC) along the lines of:
"We employed Dave Nosworthy to get the team over the line after so many heart-breaking losses in Finals in recent seasons. The club is absolutely delighted that, in his very first season, Dave was able to achieve this with the terrific victory at Lord's which was a great day out for so many members and supporters... STATEMENT ENDS.
SP - I think the "review at the end of the season" as you put it is precisely the point in terms of a potential "papering over of cracks". I think it's highly probable that winning something would greatly colour a review of the season as a whole.... i.e. the thought would be that "there can't be much wrong, if we've won a trophy, can there?" It might stop the hard questions being asked, the searching analysis being done etc.
"We employed Dave Nosworthy to get the team over the line after so many heart-breaking losses in Finals in recent seasons. The club is absolutely delighted that, in his very first season, Dave was able to achieve this with the terrific victory at Lord's which was a great day out for so many members and supporters... STATEMENT ENDS.
SP - I think the "review at the end of the season" as you put it is precisely the point in terms of a potential "papering over of cracks". I think it's highly probable that winning something would greatly colour a review of the season as a whole.... i.e. the thought would be that "there can't be much wrong, if we've won a trophy, can there?" It might stop the hard questions being asked, the searching analysis being done etc.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:25
You mean a MEDIA review of the season. That is entirely different.
Are you seriously saying that the supporters, members and the local press would take any notice of such a piece of nonsense whether it was issued by the club or not.
How naive do you think people are?
Are you seriously saying that the supporters, members and the local press would take any notice of such a piece of nonsense whether it was issued by the club or not.
How naive do you think people are?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:25
Before anyone asks the obvious question:
Yes, I'd rather win the Pro 40 than not but ONLY if winning it would not prevent a searching (self-) examination as to what went so very wrong in the CC.
Yes, I'd rather win the Pro 40 than not but ONLY if winning it would not prevent a searching (self-) examination as to what went so very wrong in the CC.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:29
Nothing that happens between now and the end of the season will stop that happening and if by some miracle we are all idiots or have been on another planet for the spring and summer, those who have watched should demand it at the local and full AGM if it isn't announced.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:39
Quote:Grockle
You mean a MEDIA review of the season. That is entirely different.
Are you seriously saying that the supporters, members and the local press would take any notice of such a piece of nonsense whether it was issued by the club or not.
How naive do you think people are?
I meant more that it might affect the internal review within the club. In life, I think it's human nature that people do not wish to think that they have failed and will therefore search for indications that they have instead succeeded - a trophy is an obvious such indication.
As to whether supporters would take notice of something like that? I think it depends. I would assume that, like other clubs, we have some fans who are mainly only interested in the short-form cricket?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:44
Difficult to think you have not failed when they quite obviously have - you do post some stuff AG..... worst championship season in nearly 10 years, the loss of possibly two major players, the lack of form of many of its remaining experienced stock?
And you think they'll want and be able to run away from that or put it under the carpet on the back of a 40 over trophy? What kind of people do you think are running this club and what about their record suggests this is going to be their first reaction to any positive news?
You really do have a strange view of people's motivations don't you.
And you think they'll want and be able to run away from that or put it under the carpet on the back of a 40 over trophy? What kind of people do you think are running this club and what about their record suggests this is going to be their first reaction to any positive news?
You really do have a strange view of people's motivations don't you.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 13:52
Rather than 'papering over the cracks' maybe qualifying for the latter stages of the YB40 would do a lot to boost team morale for the latter part of the season as they go into the final crucial CC matches. It might even remind a couple of important team members that playing for Somerset is o bad thing. Just a thought.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 14:00
Grockle - I assume that the person leading a review of the cricket side would be DN and he has no record at Somerset to inform my view (or, I assume, anyone else's) as to how he might regard the season - and what effect a one-day trophy might have on how the season was regarded.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 14:21
I have always wondered about the "scattergun" approach of "going for every competion" and more so when we have a desperate CC fight on our hands now. Will a good win tomorrow put players in a winning frame of mind for next week anymore than getting them to totally concentrate on the next four day game , (then the one after that). The CC has to be all important, surely. Let the majority of the seconds play Yorkshire.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 14:21
He will have to put his report in front of the people who give him that responsibility.
You seem to be assuming that IF HE CAN he will try and whitewash all this.
Given his lack of experience you don't expect a role for Roy Kerslake or Vic Marks? No input from Andy Hurry? No comments by the captain? No reference to media reports or the statistics?
You expect Guy Lavender to accept a 'papered over' report of some kind do you if the opportunity presents itself? And then SCCC will present this to the members and they won't respond to such a report in any kind of negative way?
That is really your view of what the club's DOC will be looking for the opportunity to do?(SNL Really? Really?)
Sad view of humanity and human responsibility.
You seem to be assuming that IF HE CAN he will try and whitewash all this.
Given his lack of experience you don't expect a role for Roy Kerslake or Vic Marks? No input from Andy Hurry? No comments by the captain? No reference to media reports or the statistics?
You expect Guy Lavender to accept a 'papered over' report of some kind do you if the opportunity presents itself? And then SCCC will present this to the members and they won't respond to such a report in any kind of negative way?
That is really your view of what the club's DOC will be looking for the opportunity to do?(SNL Really? Really?)
Sad view of humanity and human responsibility.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 14:25
I'm not saying that people will cynically do that. But when people evaluate themselves, the natural tendency, IMO, for most people is to accentuate the good and try and minimize talk of the bad.
Think, for example, of a company presenting its results at an AGM....
Think, for example, of a company presenting its results at an AGM....
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 14:27
And that is why they have scrutiny, neutral monitors and evidence and.... AGM's
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 15:32
Quote:AGod
“I could see the club coming out with a statement (in the event that we won the Pro 40 and irrespective of our fate in the CC) along the lines of:
"We employed Dave Nosworthy to get the team over the line after so many heart-breaking losses in Finals in recent seasons. The club is absolutely delighted that, in his very first season, Dave was able to achieve this with the terrific victory at Lord's which was a great day out for so many members and supporters”... STATEMENT ENDS.
“I meant more that it might affect the internal review within the club. In life, I think it's human nature that people do not wish to think that they have failed and will therefore search for indications that they have instead succeeded - a trophy is an obvious such indication.”
I have to say that in the past there most certainly have been officials within the club who have seen their role more as an ego trip than as a responsibility to the owners of the club – i.e. the Members.
Nothing more to add to that!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 15:50
Back to qualification, 2 wins should ensure us qualification on 17 points. With Glam, Gloucs and the Sex playing each other only one of them can exceed that total and of the other divisions, only Northants could come second with 17 points. In that circumstance our RR is so far superior that it is unlikely to be breached and we will qualify as best second place.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 15:53
Railboy, thanks for that I couldn't work it out.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 15:54
Proper grim weather in Portishead at moment. If it's similar over the pond it could be a washout today. Probably the best result for us?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 15:57
AG: in your posting of 13.20, you very carefully edited out one word from your "quote" of my posting - this was the critical word "honestly"!
I wrote: "review honestly at the end of the season."
An HONEST review would acknowledge not only winning the YB40 (in the scenario we are discussing), but also the quarter final of the T20 and, importantly, a poor showing (hopefully nothing worse than that) in the CC.
I wrote: "review honestly at the end of the season."
An HONEST review would acknowledge not only winning the YB40 (in the scenario we are discussing), but also the quarter final of the T20 and, importantly, a poor showing (hopefully nothing worse than that) in the CC.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:02
Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a quote, but rather a paraphrasing.
When I originally wrote it out I had the word 'honestly' in it but then I thought people would complain that I was suggesting that a review would be deliberately dishonest, which was not the point I was trying to make.
When I originally wrote it out I had the word 'honestly' in it but then I thought people would complain that I was suggesting that a review would be deliberately dishonest, which was not the point I was trying to make.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:03
Cricinfo shows start delayed due to rain for Glamorgan match. With it being on Sky there will no doubt be more pressure to get some sort of reduced match if at all possible!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:06
Re: qualification - who is our other game against?
Yorkshire we should beat, not least because they will probably play a reserve bowling line-up (unless they suddenly re-instate their regulars to give them a run-out before the CC resumption)*
* Their first-choice bowlers have all been playing in the second XI game but I think they were meant to be in for only two days of it and then get pulled out again (which makes a bit of a farce of the game, but there you go).
Yorkshire we should beat, not least because they will probably play a reserve bowling line-up (unless they suddenly re-instate their regulars to give them a run-out before the CC resumption)*
* Their first-choice bowlers have all been playing in the second XI game but I think they were meant to be in for only two days of it and then get pulled out again (which makes a bit of a farce of the game, but there you go).
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:11
Please God it isn't against Surrey!! Can't cope with more Amla Armageddon today.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:22
Gloucestershire. Bristol. YB40 doesn't get tougher than this.....
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:29
AGod a little tip just for you.
If you page up you will see Fixture list 2013 on the left hand side under the heading Somerset.
There you can find a list of fixtures which lists all matches for the season.
It will assist you greatly and also stop you asking stupid questions and tell you who our other game is against.
If you page up you will see Fixture list 2013 on the left hand side under the heading Somerset.
There you can find a list of fixtures which lists all matches for the season.
It will assist you greatly and also stop you asking stupid questions and tell you who our other game is against.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:35
Whereas you, of course, have never said anything stupid on the board, Bristol Rob.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:42
Ahhh the age old question of quality versus quantity - isn't it always the same?
Unfortunately some of us (myself included) go for quantity when quality nearly always wins the debate.
Unfortunately some of us (myself included) go for quantity when quality nearly always wins the debate.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 16:58
If rudeness = quality, then, yep, it was a stunner.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 17:06
Well I made no assessment so I'll have to take your word for it, you being yet another site expert on the concept of 'rudeness'
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 17:08
Well I guess that "rudeness" is very much in the eye of the beholder, Grockle.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 17:16
If only some would leave the discussion of definition to the supposedly 'rude' person and the one with the eyes. But there you go.
So having said that - AG BR it's all yours
So having said that - AG BR it's all yours
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 17:22
Did I see BR as one of the NIMBYs on the telly last night protesting about some building at Saltford? Just make sure they leave room for a cricket pitch!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 17:52
Although they can`t spell his name correctly, the Yorkshire website is suggesting that Gary Ballance, who scored 139 against the Unicorns yesterday, will be playing against Somerset at Taunton tomorrow.
This would surely mean that Jos B is available for us.
All this seems rather unlikely though, as the YB40 fixture at Taunton won`t finish much before 7.30pm, and the Lions match against Australia at Northampton begins at 11am on Friday.
Two other Yorkies, Alex Lees and Liam Plunkett, are also involved.
This would surely mean that Jos B is available for us.
All this seems rather unlikely though, as the YB40 fixture at Taunton won`t finish much before 7.30pm, and the Lions match against Australia at Northampton begins at 11am on Friday.
Two other Yorkies, Alex Lees and Liam Plunkett, are also involved.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: RadstockRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 18:14
AG Me rude? You'd soon know it if I was.
Perhaps if you had looked up your own information rather than expecting others to do it for you I wouldn't have commented at all.
I usually ignore ALL of your posts but just happened to err into reading that one.
Stupid me!
Sorry for taking topic off subject.
Looks like we'll get a full days play tomorrow and with no play in Cardiff at the moment things could turn our way.
Perhaps if you had looked up your own information rather than expecting others to do it for you I wouldn't have commented at all.
I usually ignore ALL of your posts but just happened to err into reading that one.
Stupid me!
Sorry for taking topic off subject.
Looks like we'll get a full days play tomorrow and with no play in Cardiff at the moment things could turn our way.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 18:43
Anyway play supposedly starting in 10 minutes.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: doc h (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 18:56
A YB40 Cup victory would be a permanent landmark of success, and it would also get rid of the 'bridesmaids' label.
Relegation to Division 2 can be reversed.
Perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves here.
Relegation to Division 2 can be reversed.
Perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves here.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 19:01
But worth keeping in mind Doc
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 19:40
Looks like an awful slow pitch
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 20:55
Was today`s event at the SWALEC stadium in Cardiff the first-ever one day match between first class counties to be watched by less than 100 spectators?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 21:46
Glamorgans support really is a shambles.
I went Monday, i'm guessing around 400/450 were there, and at least half were Somerset, there was more noise at Somerset getting wickets than for Glamorgan.
Doesn't make sense with their catchment area.
The pricing is cheap, tonight they were doing a deal of 2 adults for £5, if you wont go for that price you never will!
I went Monday, i'm guessing around 400/450 were there, and at least half were Somerset, there was more noise at Somerset getting wickets than for Glamorgan.
Doesn't make sense with their catchment area.
The pricing is cheap, tonight they were doing a deal of 2 adults for £5, if you wont go for that price you never will!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 21:52
They can merge with Gloucester.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 22:04
If you remember about a season ago Mr Reagan (I think it was) was suggesting supporting the SWALEC by getting Somerset, Gloucs and Glamorgan to play all their games there - daft bat!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2013 23:37
BJ - Do you have a view on why folks near or in Cardiff won't turn up to watch Glam?
I have the impression that Glam are much improved this season, so it's presumably not the case (any more) that it reflects poor cricket?
I have the impression that Glam are much improved this season, so it's presumably not the case (any more) that it reflects poor cricket?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 15/08/2013 10:32
It's also odd that a home match against Glam seems to attract a whole bunch of supporters who seem happy to cross the Bridge to support them but not turn up in Cardiff. I put it down to being refugees from the Welsh Beer!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:12
The unicorns are giving Leicester a run for their money.
Unicorns scored 259 in their 40 overs. Matt Lineker in the runs again 132.
Leicester 125 for 3 off 23.
Unicorns scored 259 in their 40 overs. Matt Lineker in the runs again 132.
Leicester 125 for 3 off 23.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:32
Lineker's done well this season, I feel...? Presumably close to Leics?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:44
Not Gary though - didn't he use to play for Leicester early in his career?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:49
Cricinfo info.
Matt Lineker
Major teams Derbyshire, Derbyshire 2nd XI, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire 2nd XI, Unicorns A
Matt Lineker
Major teams Derbyshire, Derbyshire 2nd XI, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire 2nd XI, Unicorns A
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:56
Yes, Grockle, Gary Lineker did play for Leicester before going to Tottenham.
I believe he was a more than useful cricketer as a young man.
Edited for typo.
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I believe he was a more than useful cricketer as a young man.
Edited for typo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013:08:18:18:57:02 by Bobstan.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 18:59
Did he have a crisp drive?
Was he a Walker?
Yeah I know sorry. Economic Wikipages not the most stimulating of thing to write!!
Was he a Walker?
Yeah I know sorry. Economic Wikipages not the most stimulating of thing to write!!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:11
Unicorns are about to win their first match of the season, which I think is the last fixture in their short history.
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:13
If this proves to be Keith Parsons' last match at this level, what a great way to end his career.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:14
Well done indeed to a good victory by the Unicorns over Leicestershire.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:21
Gloucester need 5 off one over
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:28
Well, done Gloucestershire. The final group match could be a final!
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Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:28
Gloucestershire win with 1 ball to spare.
Couldn't be a more perfect result for Somerset.
Couldn't be a more perfect result for Somerset.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:30
Happy with that...is the format changing next year then, with no Unicorns?
I knew Lineker is Gary's son - anyone know a county who may be interested in a promising young top-order bat?
I knew Lineker is Gary's son - anyone know a county who may be interested in a promising young top-order bat?
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:38
Quote:Bagpuss
Gloucestershire win with 1 ball to spare.
Couldn't be a more perfect result for Somerset.
I don't know, I'd have taken the tie!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:38
Am I being gullible here? I'm pretty certain Matt Lineker isn't Gary's son.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:44
Glos win was the right result for us. If we beat Glos we qualify for the semi . If we lose it is unlikely that we shall be the best second.( I have discounted Glam winning both their remaining matches by enormous margins) In Group A Notts and Northants with a win could end with 18 and 16 although if Northants lose we would be a better second than them. If both lose we end upon of the 2 best 1sts.
In group B Lancs and Hants are on 16 and 13, and play each other. A Hants win wins them the group and Lancs could only get to 15.Essex are in with an outside shout of going from 12 to 16 put they are Lancs other opponents.
So win next Mon and we are there. A loss means unlikely but not impossible if everything else was to go our way.
In group B Lancs and Hants are on 16 and 13, and play each other. A Hants win wins them the group and Lancs could only get to 15.Essex are in with an outside shout of going from 12 to 16 put they are Lancs other opponents.
So win next Mon and we are there. A loss means unlikely but not impossible if everything else was to go our way.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:44
Updated table. [www.espncricinfo.com]
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:45
A tie would've given Glamorgan a point, putting them on 14 with 2 games still to play.
They could've then ended up with 18 points. If Somerset win against Gloucestershire on BHM they will be on 17 points.
Todays's result gives Somerset best chance of topping the group.
But they have to win at Bristol on Monday!
They could've then ended up with 18 points. If Somerset win against Gloucestershire on BHM they will be on 17 points.
Todays's result gives Somerset best chance of topping the group.
But they have to win at Bristol on Monday!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:45
Could be my mistake - I really thought he was, tho it's not mentioned in his cricinfo biog - sorry if I kicked that off...
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:47
Glamorgan play Leicester home and Yorkshire away.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:49
Quote:Bagpuss
Am I being gullible here? I'm pretty certain Matt Lineker isn't Gary's son.
I agree Bagpuss. I am almost certain that he isn't.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:51
Beat Glos we end top.
Then we will be one of 3 top of table qualifiers, plus a second place qualifier.
I'd hope that top teams would get a home draw? Is this done on those 2 top teams with most points? or just open draw?
Dates appear to be Sat 9 or Mon 11, cant see Monday being a date many would want....
Then we will be one of 3 top of table qualifiers, plus a second place qualifier.
I'd hope that top teams would get a home draw? Is this done on those 2 top teams with most points? or just open draw?
Dates appear to be Sat 9 or Mon 11, cant see Monday being a date many would want....
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:55
A Monday semi final? ECB master-class in scheduling again.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:57
This will be a free draw save that the two
best first-placed teams will receive a home draw.
best first-placed teams will receive a home draw.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 19:59
Two best group winners get home draws I think.
I would expect that the Monday semifinal would be more likely to go to a tie on a ground with floodlights,so long as one of the two home sides has them. Sky would surely prefer to show a day/night fixture.
I would expect that the Monday semifinal would be more likely to go to a tie on a ground with floodlights,so long as one of the two home sides has them. Sky would surely prefer to show a day/night fixture.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:02
Semi finals on Saturday and Monday.
Can I guess without looking that there is an England-Oz ODI for Sky to show on the Sunday?!
Can I guess without looking that there is an England-Oz ODI for Sky to show on the Sunday?!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:03
It will be hard to get a home draw with Hampshire having two game remaining on 16 points, it could depend on Notts.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:06
England have a one day international on the Sunday which is presumably the reason for the Monday scheduling.
As the ECB never tire of telling us how well England tickets sell it would have made more sense to switch these two matches and have the 2nd s-f on the Sunday.
As the ECB never tire of telling us how well England tickets sell it would have made more sense to switch these two matches and have the 2nd s-f on the Sunday.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:16
I judge that Notts have to lose,then it would be us if we in, and Hants who still have to beat Lancs.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:25
The ODI dates will have been aranged and agreed with Cricket Australia way before the domestic schedule was even thought about - I had a ticket application form for that Old Trafford ODI back at the end of August last year; the members period for applying for international tickets was somewhere around the 2nd week of September. With a large number of tickets already sold it would have been impossible to switch the dates once the domestic schedule was organised.
Of course someone at the ECB could have looked ahead - but why break the habits of a lifetime! History suggests that the size of crowds at county matches is not that high on the list of priorities for the ECB, its up to the counties to do the best with what they are given.
Of course someone at the ECB could have looked ahead - but why break the habits of a lifetime! History suggests that the size of crowds at county matches is not that high on the list of priorities for the ECB, its up to the counties to do the best with what they are given.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:44
If I remember correctly Gary's son is called George and he has some illness that Gary works for charity for.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 20:57
I remember his eldest having leukaemia as a baby - he does all sorts of charity work now also Blood Transfusion Service adverts. Cant remember how long ago that was now, although it feels like about 10 years its obviously much longer!
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 21:27
That's my memory Bag
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 21:29
I don't know if this help with anything.
I have photos of Gary Lineker at Taunton cricket ground in 1991, he wife was with him and she was pregnant, I believe that was the baby that had leukaemia.
I have photos of Gary Lineker at Taunton cricket ground in 1991, he wife was with him and she was pregnant, I believe that was the baby that had leukaemia.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 21:35
It was George and he had leukaemia. He survived the disease so he will be in his 20's now.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 21:38
I think it was their first child that had leukaemia and as Matt was born in 1987 it would make him too old
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 18/08/2013 21:41
George, Harry, Tobias, and Angus are the names of Gary Linekar's children, so not related (wiki entry)
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2013 00:47
Quote:Bobstan
Yes, Grockle, Gary Lineker did play for Leicester before going to Tottenham.
I believe he was a more than useful cricketer as a young man.
Leicester City then Everton then Barcelona, all before Tottenham.
And as far as cricket goes, I believe he played for Leicestershire Second XI.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2013 07:07
Just checking that you were awake, FE.
Re: Back to the Roaring 40's
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/08/2013 10:03
Yes, sadly, Lineker and Neville were two men who made bad career choices.
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