Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
By Grockle et al
May 15 2014
Like it or not the new (well revamped) T20 tournament is upon us - Natwest Blast. New names, redesigned 'razzamataz', new time slot. It could be an area where we may see the glint of silver this year and our involvement starts with Gloucestershire on Friday. If you are one of those who doesn't like this format, at least there is other stuff at the same time this year.
NatWest Blast
The Natwest Blast may be more of a hope for a trophy this season than the Championship and if not it is a good chance to iron out the kinks for the 50 over competition later in the season where we do have a significant chance of something.
Despite the inevitable commments about how we will miss Jos Buttler from the line-up, our batting really does not suffer from his absence, except on the occasion where a devastating player can take a T20 game by the scruff, that happens but we have other candidates for that honour still in the maroon and black AND here for most of the games.
Marcus must be excited about the inclusion in his Blast squad of Dirk Nannes, maybe not for his pace any more but for his T20 experience and 'nounce' but others in the squad must see this as their forte. Max Waller has already tweeted about being ready for this part of the season and our allrounders must see this as an early area for their particular skills. In Max's case,his performances here, may very well outline his whole season
Looking at the possible line-up for the first couple of games does suggest the skippper may be spoilt for choice and some of the main squad may find it hard to get a berth and keep it as the 'youngsters' look to make their mark. Aliviro Petersen and Nick Compton may very well sit these games out unless injury or poor form brings them into contention. The front end must include Marcus opening with Craig Kieswetter (a travesty in my own personal eyes that he is not included in ether of the England short form squads) Peter Trego will also move up the order and join James Hildreth (with something to prove himself to keep his place) in the middle order. Lewis Gregory, the returning Craig Meschede and Craig Overton must be looking to take their places in this part of the side as well. I personally don't see Chris Jones out of this picture either as he performed very well in this format last season when others struggled. Max Waller seems to be the short form spinner to turn to but George Dockrell is massively experienced for one of his age in this format. Max has developed the extra batting credits to his name now however as we advised him to and Ireland may want too much of George's time in the next month.
The bowling is packed but some options ought to be avoided. Personally I don't think this format is Jamie Overton's and Dirk is the better pace option. Alf has a great reputation in this type of game but is he still that bowler? I'm sure he will start but we may have to wait and see how his T20 season finishes. Steve Kirby may be looking to get his first action with the county this season in these games, a type of game where he has become more effective over his time with the county. Maybe even Adam Dibble might be in contention and Alex Barrow will also be waiting for any slip from others to show his batting prowess which has been considerable with the seconds in the last month.
Another factor I completely missed out of my earlier analysis is the role of Johann Myburgh in our campaign. I have to admit I expected him to be a 'bit player' mostly operating as a backup batsman and seconds mentor for the season but he seems to have taken to his new role in a far more hands on mannner and has been a significant player in our early CC1 work. His batting and his occcasional spin bowling have been very useful and there is no reason why they shouldn't figure in the T20 campaign in the same way. One would suggest that he is a definite candidate for the middle orderof our first games.
It will be interesting how we approach the early games. 'Pace off the ball' has certainly become the order of the day in T20 along with 'going for it' in the first 6 overs. Marcus set a '50 plus off the first 6' target last year and indications seem to be that we are in better shape to work on that this year than in 2013. The Bristolians will find out on Friday and I'm sure people will tell us all about it tomorrow.
v GLOUCESTERSHIRE @ Bristol Friday 16 May 2014
TUNE IN LIVE EVENT 10
No Meschede or Myburgh. Instead both Compton and Petersen play. The Bristolians have won the toss and put us in and they will face;
Trescothick, Kieswetter, Trego, Petersen, Hildreth, Compton, Gregory, Waller, Thomas, Dockrell and Nannes
A longish tail in the sense that we have an untried bat at number 8, though he has shown he knows which way to hold it and Alf at 9. Surprised not to see Craig Overton in but he may be carrying a niggle and the other Craig is obviously not yet match fit. The top six does alloww us to adapt our line-up to the situation during the first 10 and it is still a strong line-up though the best in a T20 situation? Well there will be debate, especially if the batting total stalls or fails to fire. However. let battle commence.
Banger banged out first ball to a short one he simply guided into the hands of the leg fielder from Fuller. Oh dear, not the start the club wanted to the new revamped T20 competition. 50 for 2 after 6 with Peter Trego caught behind at 13 and Alviro helping Craig sort out the damage.
Cricinfo is a waste of time as it sticks at 11.4 overs while the radio akes us into the 17th. Alviro showed more competency at this cgame than I gave him credit for, taking the side to 72 off 10 and then opening up to take us to 3 figures before going just after his 50. Hildreth comes in but makes little headway before dollying one off Fuller to be his third victim off the first ball of an over, Nick Compton adds to his tally by going first ball giving Fuller 4 for 15. Lewis supports Craig K past 50 off 43 balls and we move towards something around 150. 143 for 5 at the start of the 19th. Lewis hits a six to take us past 150 and we take it to 154 with 6 balls to go. Par on this pitch is supposedly about 170 and we have underperformed with the bat I am afraid.
Craig is caught at short fine leg first ball of the last over leaving Lewis to do what he can. Cricinfo is now stating that we are 51 for 2 off 11(what a waste of time). Lewis looks to reverse sweep and is out without really changing the score and Waller with Alf can do little but add the odd single. 156 for 8 and a farce of a final over!!
So Somerset need a good bowling performance and it isn't helped by some sloppy fielding in the first over including a 'dolly' catch dropped by one of the best slipfielders n the game Mr Trescothick. Alf also worries his supporters by going for 13 off his first as Glos go to 19 off 2. Then Nannes opens his account as Dent is caught down the leg side at the start of his second. Lewis takes the third and clears out Klinger and Gidman in his first. Pete gets into the game as he takes out Cockbain before Mighty Max starts his series, catching and bowling Howell before having Roderick plumb in front. 84 for 6 with Marshall trying to take his county home almost single handed in what is looking more and more like a wasted effort.
It is more a case of the home side helping us to a victory rather than us really pushing them. The fielding is lazy and the shots are a little amateurish. Hamish Marshall is the only worry as he passes 50 and takes Glos past 100. There are 6 and a bit overs to go and only about 50 to get so the bowlers need to get the man out. Waller does the business and has Marshall in froont sweeping. Well done to the Somerset spinner. 104 for 7
Although the tail gets them close, the experience of the Somerset men at the end keeps it in check and they are all out for 138, Nannes 4 for 28 was the standout man but well done also to Max Waller who did that thing he does and took the important men out when it was required. 2 points and we're off.
V SURREY @Taunton Sunday 18 May 2014
TUNE IN LIVE EVENT 9
Sunday at home and a side picked from the same squad as on Friday. Presently there are no predicted changes.
Somerset won the toss and decided to chase at home once again. It seems to be a strategy they are following at home. We shall see if it is a good strategy.
Despite the early wicket of Smith, decieved by a slow one from Lewis Gregory, the Surrey men went off at about 10 an over with Alf, Lewis and Max getting early hammer. The 50 came up in the 6th and then George got murdered in the 8th and went for 17. 8 overs and 84 on the board. It's a flat deck with little for the spinners and nothing for anyone considering a short ball except a boundary.
Max did well to keep his four down to 29 with loads of variation but Roy had 50 off 33 and was still looking to get on with the game as the 13th over ended with 116 for 2 to Surrey. George got some tap but came back and got Davies in his second. His third went for 4 so he pulled it back to acceptable. Nevertheless the 14th went to Lewis with a predicted score of 190 and with his control needing some work today. Nevertheless George finished with a wicket and 36 to his name and then Lewis came in for his fourth and got O'Brien swiping and losing his off stump 136 for 4. In came Mahmoud. Gregory pulled it back with a wicket and 2 runs. 2 for 34 but he bowled 12 dots out of his 24.
So Nannes and Thommo looked to finish off with 137 for 4 and as many overs to go as wickets lost. The pace was something the becalmed Roy should have liked but we had pulled the run rate under 9 and hope to move it further that way. Dirk went for 17 off the 17th and Surrey passed 150 but Alf showed the old T20 nounce. 3 runs off four balls before Roy tried to go over the top and was picked up goalkeeper style by Max. 157 for 5 and Thommo finished with a single. Nannes was going for 11 an over but still took the 19th. The Somerset fielding has been very good overall - a real change from the Bristol game with James Hildreth and Max Waller standing out particularly. Peterson got frustrated and smaced the ball to Gregory 160 for 6. That made his 42 runs a little better because of the wicket. So Alf took last one and tied them down once again and ran out a Suurrey batsman offf the final ball. 173 for 7 was a good second half for the Somerset bowlers. The prediction was over 200 at one time but partly because of Alf's 1 for 27 we pulled them back to something we can make a go for.
Now I could take you through the Somerset batting performance. I could describe the daft run out of the skipper who couldn't turn fast enough when mistaking the situation. I could talk about Pete's miscued straight drive which was well caught by Ansari. Craig's 10 overs of exciting batting which gave him a 50 off 32 balls ended when the middle order tried too damned hard to score a mediocre total. Alviro tried for a six, Craig tried for a six. James tried for the clever flick and missed. Nick looking like a fish out of water tried for a six and they all left Alf and Lewis to try and score about 15 to 20 an over. They had a good try but Lewis ended needing a runner, Jade bowled one of his good last overs, we failed to pass their total and Michael Vaughan called us 'Cidermen'. We failed, they won and the first 'if only Jos Buttler had been here' arrived. Ho Hum.
Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
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Date: 15/05/2014 06:43
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 12:18
I notice that AP did not play in either of the warm-up games. Does anyone know why? Injured? Ill?
All other first-choice batsmen played so I'd be surprised if he was simply rested. And, presumably, it would be a considerable surprise if he is not in our first-team plans.
The first warm-up game, which looked like a possible full strength SCCC team (apart from AP) went as well as it probably should do vs Warks second XI.
However, in the second game, a near first-choice batting line-up and non first-choice bowling line-up were held to a tie by said Warks second XI which is possibly a little bit embarrassing.
All other first-choice batsmen played so I'd be surprised if he was simply rested. And, presumably, it would be a considerable surprise if he is not in our first-team plans.
The first warm-up game, which looked like a possible full strength SCCC team (apart from AP) went as well as it probably should do vs Warks second XI.
However, in the second game, a near first-choice batting line-up and non first-choice bowling line-up were held to a tie by said Warks second XI which is possibly a little bit embarrassing.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 12:24
Personally, I do think that Jos will be a big miss in all short form cricket.
I think Alf alludes to this in the story on the official website, when he says that we may have to rely more on our bowling than in the past, as we no longer have an explosive finisher in the line-up.
I'm not really sure, though, about Alf's contention that we are now stronger (than in the past) in bowling for this form of the game? We've got Nannes, but then last year we had Arafat who was pretty good. Maybe Alf feels that Nannes is better than Arafat?
I'd think that Lewis Gregory may now revert to being the kind of key one-day bowler that he was in his first couple of years (given the fact that his tail must be very much up at the moment).
So, Alf, Nannes and Gregory will probably be the three seamers from whom Marcus will be expecting 12 overs every week. Pete will fill in here and there. Once fit, Meschede will presumably crack the line-up. Until then Myburgh and Waller or Dockrell will probably be providing most of the other 8 overs with the ball, I would think?
As and when Kirby is fit, then he may come into the picture, possibly spelling Alf at times.
I think Alf alludes to this in the story on the official website, when he says that we may have to rely more on our bowling than in the past, as we no longer have an explosive finisher in the line-up.
I'm not really sure, though, about Alf's contention that we are now stronger (than in the past) in bowling for this form of the game? We've got Nannes, but then last year we had Arafat who was pretty good. Maybe Alf feels that Nannes is better than Arafat?
I'd think that Lewis Gregory may now revert to being the kind of key one-day bowler that he was in his first couple of years (given the fact that his tail must be very much up at the moment).
So, Alf, Nannes and Gregory will probably be the three seamers from whom Marcus will be expecting 12 overs every week. Pete will fill in here and there. Once fit, Meschede will presumably crack the line-up. Until then Myburgh and Waller or Dockrell will probably be providing most of the other 8 overs with the ball, I would think?
As and when Kirby is fit, then he may come into the picture, possibly spelling Alf at times.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 13:30
Thanks for that Hantssabre.
I loved the idea that the team that played in the first of yesterday's T20 games against Warwickshire was Somerset 2nd XI.
The first team must be quite something and would clearly win the IPL at a canter.
I loved the idea that the team that played in the first of yesterday's T20 games against Warwickshire was Somerset 2nd XI.
The first team must be quite something and would clearly win the IPL at a canter.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 14:13
Anyone going to Gloucester tomorrow advanced tickets available on their website until 5 today.
If you buy 5 or more tickets only £10 each which is a great offer, otherwise £15 in advance and £2o on the gate.
If you buy 5 or more tickets only £10 each which is a great offer, otherwise £15 in advance and £2o on the gate.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 14:29
Petersen is not a short form cricketer and I won't be surprised if he pays but I don't think he should unless James does not hit form and we need that stable number 4 for the possible front end collapse.
In short form I'd rather go for Jones if we are a batsman short. He plays the technical game but he scores quickly with a stroke player at the other end.
In short form I'd rather go for Jones if we are a batsman short. He plays the technical game but he scores quickly with a stroke player at the other end.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 14:30
Glo`shire left-arm seamer David Payne faces a late test on his heel injury ahead of tomorrow`s T20 match with Somerset.
Will Gidman, the county`s leading all-rounder in 2013, and Ian Saxelby, who missed most of last season through injury, are definitely out.
Will Gidman, the county`s leading all-rounder in 2013, and Ian Saxelby, who missed most of last season through injury, are definitely out.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 14:48
Yesterday Buttler and today Bopara are in the media moaning about how hard it will be to switch between formats throughout the season.
Never mind the fact that that is how their "customers" want the "product" delivered: and never mind the fact that a proper cricketer should still be able to succeed in any format by playing proper cricket.
Ho hum!!!
Never mind the fact that that is how their "customers" want the "product" delivered: and never mind the fact that a proper cricketer should still be able to succeed in any format by playing proper cricket.
Ho hum!!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 15:09
Reminds me of Morgan bellyaching about "the public and commentators having no idea how hard it is to change position in the batting order,' in response to comment that Morgan should, arguably, take the responsibility of batting at four in the national ODI teams, rather than five.
He added "I think I've earned the right to bat at five," which seemed, to me, to have missed the point completely.
He added "I think I've earned the right to bat at five," which seemed, to me, to have missed the point completely.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 17:38
I think Alviro has a good short form record and is every bit a one day cricketer as Jones. For me, Jones is more suited to the longer form and at the moment seems to not know where his off stump is having been bowled in just about every innings this season. In fact apart from his 75 on the flat Taunton wicket first up he has struggled
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 19:37
sorry to say there is a premium on those prices quotes above as it's us!
Its £25 on gate, £20 in advance or £15 if in block of 5, clearly we are the big draw so trying to fleece all non members, can't blame them I guess.
Reports of an expected 6,500 crowdm capacity is around 7,500 currently, new mound stand set to be open too, see you all there.....
Its £25 on gate, £20 in advance or £15 if in block of 5, clearly we are the big draw so trying to fleece all non members, can't blame them I guess.
Reports of an expected 6,500 crowdm capacity is around 7,500 currently, new mound stand set to be open too, see you all there.....
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 21:25
Collingwood on local TV was asked about switching from 4 day to T20 and his answer was that this is now a required skill for a modern cricketer and someone who couldn't do it was under par.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 21:29
Hear! Hear!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/05/2014 23:45
I can understand that changing formats or batting positions can be difficult for some cricketers. I just don't think they are well advised to go public in their moaning!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 00:08
They should just be grateful that they were picked.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 07:16
If they can't switch they won't be and will have to work at their game a little more.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 08:25
I see that Jos has been moaning about this very issue this morning!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 09:13
Ahhhh poor baby (as my mother used to say rather less sarcastically).
Grow a pair and get on with it Joseph. It is, after all, what you chose to do and are lucky enough to be talented enough to get paid for.
Or am I being unfair? It has been known.
Grow a pair and get on with it Joseph. It is, after all, what you chose to do and are lucky enough to be talented enough to get paid for.
Or am I being unfair? It has been known.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 09:56
I dont know!! these Lancastrians!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 11:01
Steve Snell's piece from the Bristol Post. Interestingly at the end of the article he has a solution to the 'finisher' problem mentioned above by AG
[www.bristolpost.co.uk]
[www.bristolpost.co.uk]
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 11:31
Gregory quite possibly though I think he may have to fight Mesch for that particular honour.
Nick? Nah, if he was going to develop a change of gears I think he would have done it by now though he has surprised me personally more than once with a glimpse of the expansive Compo. Still don't expect it though and spend more times shouting "get on or get out" to 'The Stickler"
Nick? Nah, if he was going to develop a change of gears I think he would have done it by now though he has surprised me personally more than once with a glimpse of the expansive Compo. Still don't expect it though and spend more times shouting "get on or get out" to 'The Stickler"
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 12:03
I can think of one possible solution to the finishing role that would apply under certain circumstances.
I'd give serious thought to asking Pete to be flexible.
If a wicket falls in the opening power-play, he goes in at three.
If Marcus/CK get us through the first six overs without incident, then we could consider then using Pete in a "go in as soon as a wicket falls after over y," scenario.
So, for example, if no wickets are down after six overs, then Pete would be next man in at any point after, say, over 12.
I'd give serious thought to asking Pete to be flexible.
If a wicket falls in the opening power-play, he goes in at three.
If Marcus/CK get us through the first six overs without incident, then we could consider then using Pete in a "go in as soon as a wicket falls after over y," scenario.
So, for example, if no wickets are down after six overs, then Pete would be next man in at any point after, say, over 12.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 12:04
If it, Meschede could be the other solution.
And Gregory does seem to have been playing more expansively, so he's an interesting suggestion from Grockle. If he made a success of the role it could further boost his CC batting (due to further increased confidence).
Equally, I wonder what role (other than as a bowler) Myburgh is seen as filling? Maybe Nos has him ear-marked for a finisher type role?
And Gregory does seem to have been playing more expansively, so he's an interesting suggestion from Grockle. If he made a success of the role it could further boost his CC batting (due to further increased confidence).
Equally, I wonder what role (other than as a bowler) Myburgh is seen as filling? Maybe Nos has him ear-marked for a finisher type role?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 13:28
Tricky selection problems tonight.With Craig Meschede fit again would assume both he and Gregory might play. So
Max or George?
No overtons?
And Two from Alviro/Compo and Myburgh?
Whichever way looks strong on paper.
Max or George?
No overtons?
And Two from Alviro/Compo and Myburgh?
Whichever way looks strong on paper.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 13:57
nelliec, you must never say on here that it looks strong on paper.
Some idiot always comes on and says that cricket is played on grass not paper. Oh...
Some idiot always comes on and says that cricket is played on grass not paper. Oh...
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 14:34
I'm fairly sure that Myburgh will play. I still don't know why AP did not play the warm-up matches. Compo, I think, played in both games?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 15:04
I missed Myburgh out ccompletely in my assessment. Sorry about that guys and gals. He could be a major player in the middle order.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 17:32
Oh dear skipper!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 17:32
I am lost for words.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 17:54
Pete gone as well. 300 definitely NOT on for us.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:21
What has happened to Criconfo and my mobile phone. IsBristol in a time warp??
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:30
I am having the same problem, GM. The official site has occasional tweets updating the score.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:38
It must be the Gloucester connection, Sky live score is saying the same score as Cricinfo.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:43
For those who can't listen to the commentary the score is 151 for 5 in the 19th
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:49
156 - 8 after 20 overs. Seems a bit of a shambles with wickets given away!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:49
156 for 8 off 20 overs, is it enough??
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Slow left (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:49
156/8 off 20.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:51
Absolute farce of a final over with Kieswetter going first ball, Lewis going trying to reverse sweep and a couple of runs in between.
They reckon par is 170 so we have underperformed
They reckon par is 170 so we have underperformed
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:52
The Cricinfo scorecard is all over the place.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:52
I always reckon 160 is the score on the cusp. Below that difficult to defend, above difficult to overtake, so its over to the bowlers. Any updates for those of us dependent on a non existent cric info would be welcomed.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 18:58
Even the other site is not working for me
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:01
So I have commentary and you lot are bereft?
If it stays that way I'll update the frontpage when I can.
I can tell you that Nannes has hit Klinger with his first ball. But Banger has missed a dolly at slip!!
If it stays that way I'll update the frontpage when I can.
I can tell you that Nannes has hit Klinger with his first ball. But Banger has missed a dolly at slip!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:03
I am okay Grockle I was just helping those who haven't.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:04
3 score apps, the full CricInfo version and BBC all haywire, so it's almost certainly the feed from the Black Hole of Bristol.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:06
Seems sorted now. Sloppy fielding from our men around the wicket it seems
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:08
Alf 13 off his first... worries me I have to say
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:09
Dent goes to Nannes caught down leg side by CK 19 for 1
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:12
Golden arm strikes
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:15
You can't keep that man from taking wickets Lewis two in his first over
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:18
Why is Marcus fielding at first slip when he doesn't in the CC?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:22
James at first slip has done the same as Marcus and missed a catch.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:27
42 for 4 as Trigger gets Cockbain courtesy of Max
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Slow left (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 19:41
Quote:Why is Marcus fielding at first slip when he doesn't in the CC?
It's like club cricket - he's hiding himself!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 20:00
I really feel it may be time to try and find a place (and I appreciate this may be difficult, and can't necessarily solve the conundrum myself) for Max Waller in the CC team.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 20:13
A good start to the t20, Gloucester are still -2.
Congratulations to Somerset
Congratulations to Somerset
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 20:18
He does take those important wickets doesn't he? Well done to Dirk with four in his first run out for us.
We didn't really win this in style. Glos batsmen gave it to us in many ways but points is points
We didn't really win this in style. Glos batsmen gave it to us in many ways but points is points
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 20:46
Like to see a least one change for Sunday.
As much as I like Compo, I feel it not his game, 50 over maybe yes, but not T20 stuff.
So Craig Meschede in for Nick, just feel he give us a bowling option, and a good striker of the ball.
As much as I like Compo, I feel it not his game, 50 over maybe yes, but not T20 stuff.
So Craig Meschede in for Nick, just feel he give us a bowling option, and a good striker of the ball.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 21:37
It was a laboured performance but never really looked in doubt. Careless shots left CK having to anchour the innings but he and AP did a fine job. Messed up the final over which probably had it gone for 8-10 more would have made it a lot less nervous towards the death.
Bowling was good by all give or take a bad over now and again. Dirk is fast and hits top of off.. You could see that Glos were genuinely shocked at his pace. Should have been 0-2 in his first over. Great catches by George (absolute stunner) and Compton in LGs first over made it uphil for Glos there after.
For all the good aspects of tonight my evening was overshadowed by some awful morons who clearly out of their skulls shouted and balled all game. Homophobic stuff aimed at AP and even abusing a father with a ginger child. Stewards? Nowhere to be seen and this itself a pain. The new stands have walkways at front and nobody stopping people walking past during overs.
Not that impressed with the new stands. No catering or WC facilities in any of them. In fact there was a total of 2 hot dog stands and a burger van in the entire ground. Next time the CEO moans about lack of revenues he'd do well to look at employing more caterers and better stewarding.
Bowling was good by all give or take a bad over now and again. Dirk is fast and hits top of off.. You could see that Glos were genuinely shocked at his pace. Should have been 0-2 in his first over. Great catches by George (absolute stunner) and Compton in LGs first over made it uphil for Glos there after.
For all the good aspects of tonight my evening was overshadowed by some awful morons who clearly out of their skulls shouted and balled all game. Homophobic stuff aimed at AP and even abusing a father with a ginger child. Stewards? Nowhere to be seen and this itself a pain. The new stands have walkways at front and nobody stopping people walking past during overs.
Not that impressed with the new stands. No catering or WC facilities in any of them. In fact there was a total of 2 hot dog stands and a burger van in the entire ground. Next time the CEO moans about lack of revenues he'd do well to look at employing more caterers and better stewarding.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 22:13
Disappointed to hear that, Tumbles. Hope the deacon might see and act. Perhaps a note to the club might be in order?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 22:35
Game wasn't at Taunton FE !!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 22:41
...the deacon could write to Gloucs on Tumbles' and others' behalf...I gave FE the benefit of the doubt 
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 22:45
Really good win, good start to the campaign.
Kiesy and AP were excellent, Alviro is a really underated 20-20 player I feel, he's class.
Nannes was good, Max too, Tres had a stinker, out first ball, dropped a sitter at slip and few dodgy fielding moments. Saying that if we can win with him having a poor night we'll be far stronger when he fires.
Have to agree re Nick, as much as I like him he has no place in our line up as it stands. Our top 5 look really strong and he shouldn't displace any of them, and he isn't suited to 6-7-8 coming in with last few overs to come.
Myburgh, Cove, Mesch depwending on surface all a better option for me.
Have to say I liked the ground work, I've often slated Bristol for being a dump but all their work has had big effect.
Decent crowd without being packed. I'm told the capacity now is 7500, so I'd guess 5500/5750 in tonight.
Kiesy and AP were excellent, Alviro is a really underated 20-20 player I feel, he's class.
Nannes was good, Max too, Tres had a stinker, out first ball, dropped a sitter at slip and few dodgy fielding moments. Saying that if we can win with him having a poor night we'll be far stronger when he fires.
Have to agree re Nick, as much as I like him he has no place in our line up as it stands. Our top 5 look really strong and he shouldn't displace any of them, and he isn't suited to 6-7-8 coming in with last few overs to come.
Myburgh, Cove, Mesch depwending on surface all a better option for me.
Have to say I liked the ground work, I've often slated Bristol for being a dump but all their work has had big effect.
Decent crowd without being packed. I'm told the capacity now is 7500, so I'd guess 5500/5750 in tonight.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 22:56
Totally agree about lack of stewards and the language was despicable with all the kids around.At least all the in-fighting seemed to be amongst themselves
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 23:08
Quote:Ronniesabre
Game wasn't at Taunton FE !!
Good point: well made!
I'll try and keep up!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 23:12
First thoughts were that Dirk Nannes`s sheer speed - not to mention his four wickets - made him an even better choice as second overseas player than Yasir Arafat last year.
Until I saw that our old friend Yasir hit the last two balls - the only ones he received - to the boundary to see Sussex to an unlikely two wicket win over Surrey. Jade Dernbach needed to defend 16 runs in that over, but despite two singles and a wicket, he still managed to concede exactly that number.
Until I saw that our old friend Yasir hit the last two balls - the only ones he received - to the boundary to see Sussex to an unlikely two wicket win over Surrey. Jade Dernbach needed to defend 16 runs in that over, but despite two singles and a wicket, he still managed to concede exactly that number.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 23:32
I see that both Sussex and Surrey conceded 6 penalty runs for slow over rate. I would have thought that Surrey fielding second would have been especially conscious of it=- it deprived them of the win after all. Sunday promises to be interesting.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2014 23:58
No reason for a slow over rate, the scoreboard should tell the cut off time and if not the announcer should.
Our new scoreboard tell us the cut off time of the innings and it also tell us the run rate required, that we have never had before.
Our new scoreboard tell us the cut off time of the innings and it also tell us the run rate required, that we have never had before.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 06:56
Thanks for the backup Tumbles. Sad to hear that the new additions to the ground haven't changed it - it badly needed it. Have to agree about Nick though 1 ball was probably too little to assess last night on.
Alf at the front end still worries me but he seems to have weighed in with experience in the last overs.
Alf at the front end still worries me but he seems to have weighed in with experience in the last overs.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 08:14
I am not ready to dismiss Nick Compton as a one day player yet, as Grockle said one ball is no way to judge him.
He had little chance in the two warm-up matches to bat, the first match he didn't bat and in the second match he came in at the end of the innings when the RR had slowed down, he hit the first ball he received for a four and only faced seven ball for eight runs.
The two I am keeping an eye on is Peter Trego and James Hildreth, it is to early to judge anybody yet.
He had little chance in the two warm-up matches to bat, the first match he didn't bat and in the second match he came in at the end of the innings when the RR had slowed down, he hit the first ball he received for a four and only faced seven ball for eight runs.
The two I am keeping an eye on is Peter Trego and James Hildreth, it is to early to judge anybody yet.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 08:28
Does anyone know why Cricinfo are showing Gloucester as -2 points.Did they incur a penalty last year
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 08:41
Quote:nelliec
Does anyone know why Cricinfo are showing Gloucester as -2 points.Did they incur a penalty last year
Poor pitch at Cheltenham
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 09:05
The point about Nick is simply put above. He's not a poor player by any means but is he in our top 6 T20 batsmen? With my own revised view of Mr Petersen I personally have to say No unless James struggles for form.
Dirk Nannes has a second vital job at the club now. Teach Jove control AND speed. He could be as inspired a pickup as Yasir was last year.
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Dirk Nannes has a second vital job at the club now. Teach Jove control AND speed. He could be as inspired a pickup as Yasir was last year.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: 57deacon (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 09:56
Sorry to hear that re boorish behaviour. We will have a word with Glos.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:09
Gloucester copied us with the flats perhaps they should copy us with the stewarding.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:21
Quote:57deacon
Sorry to hear that re boorish behaviour. We will have a word with Glos.
I think in a way it comes from the excellent staff at Taunton and becoming used to it as the norm. I have no doubt at Taunton the individuals would have been first warned to tone it down and then removed.
By all accounts it's always a slightly different crowd at Bristol - combined with good weather and being a friday it was probably a particularly 'rowdy' one.
They could also learn a trick by visiting Taunton and seeing the catering facilities. Something vastly lacking in an otherwise superb looking ground now...
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:26
Quote:Mike TA1
I am not ready to dismiss Nick Compton as a one day player yet, as Grockle said one ball is no way to judge him.
He had little chance in the two warm-up matches to bat, the first match he didn't bat and in the second match he came in at the end of the innings when the RR had slowed down, he hit the first ball he received for a four and only faced seven ball for eight runs.
The two I am keeping an eye on is Peter Trego and James Hildreth, it is to early to judge anybody yet.
Aside from his batting its worth remembering Nick is an outstanding fielder and he was absolutely superb at backward point last night - diving around saving a fair few runs.
Hildreth certainly seems out of form with the bat and I agree if you are going to single out Nick then it's a bit unfair as there are others who are failing in all forms of the game.
Disappointed with GD a bit last night, didn't seem to get his length quite right. He's not really progressing from the chap who pretty much won us the first CC game of the season two seasons ago. You'd have thought by now he'd have been our first choice spinner and yet we've had to draft in overseas and now a part timer. Would be great to see Max step up.. maybe if he proves himself in the slightly longer 50 over game he might get a chance?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Blackthorner (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:30
Boorish behaviour?
No different to what I have seen at Taunton for limited overs matches.
Stewards were stopping people coming in to stands until the end of the over. But if people come out of their seats during the over, what can you do about that.
But remember this is BLAST cricket, not 4 day first class cricket.
No different to what I have seen at Taunton for limited overs matches.
Stewards were stopping people coming in to stands until the end of the over. But if people come out of their seats during the over, what can you do about that.
But remember this is BLAST cricket, not 4 day first class cricket.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:41
Quote:Blackthorner
Boorish behaviour?
No different to what I have seen at Taunton for limited overs matches.
Stewards were stopping people coming in to stands until the end of the over. But if people come out of their seats during the over, what can you do about that.
But remember this is BLAST cricket, not 4 day first class cricket.
Far worse behaviour than I've seen previously. I like an atmosphere at the shorter form but when it's resorting to calling our players stuff like 'Bedwetter' and shouting out to Alvro that he 'likes it up the @#$%&' I draw a line. When this delightful soul behind then shouted out 'hahah ginger child' do a man carrying his fairly young baby I was pretty much disgusted.
Maybe we picked the wrong part of the ground as there we no stewards stopping anyone walking in or out of the stands during the game. They'd have been better off stopping the front walkway being used and making people come down from the top entrances.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 10:59
South African all rounder Robin Petersen, who made his Surrey T20 debut at Hove last night, has now signed for the whole of the T20 Blast season and will play at Taunton tomorrow.
He has been added to the Surrey spinning ranks as Zafar Ansari has a damaged elbow and Gareth Batty a broken finger.
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He has been added to the Surrey spinning ranks as Zafar Ansari has a damaged elbow and Gareth Batty a broken finger.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 11:29
Batty not playing, oh what a shame...
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 12:00
My feelings exactly Tumbles!
Pleased to see Maxie is performing well again.
Pleased to see Maxie is performing well again.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 12:51
Manners has little to do with which form of cricket is being played on the pitch I'm afraid.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 13:55
I was surprised that Myburgh did not play and suspect he may replace GD tomorrow to strengthen the batting.
I can't think that Alf is an ideal number 8 in one-day cricket so Myburgh or, if fit, Meschede for Dockrell would be the obvious way to not have Alf as high as 8.
I think this was the first time we'd picked GD for a T20 for some while - I suspect we were expecting a very slow pitch at Bristol and so it was a horses for courses type pick.
I can't think that Alf is an ideal number 8 in one-day cricket so Myburgh or, if fit, Meschede for Dockrell would be the obvious way to not have Alf as high as 8.
I think this was the first time we'd picked GD for a T20 for some while - I suspect we were expecting a very slow pitch at Bristol and so it was a horses for courses type pick.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 16:02
Just to let you folks know those that travel by car that the roundabout at the bottom of Priory Avenue is being rebuilt, it is still in use except you can't enter into or exit from Priory Avenue at the roundabout. There are diversions in place to get to Priory Avenue further up Priory Bridge Road (they have made two of the side roads one way).
The traffic jams have been very bad all week, it may not be so bad on a Sunday!
The traffic jams have been very bad all week, it may not be so bad on a Sunday!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 16:04
Does Batty have a stress fracture of the middle finger from waving goodbye to batsmen?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 16:10
No he has dislocated his jaw from yelling to much.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 16:33
The Surrey squad to play Somerset at Taunton in the NatWest T20 Blast on Sunday 18th May:
Graeme Smith (capt)
Zafar Ansari
Rory Burns
Tom Curran
Steven Davies
Jade Dernbach
Matthew Dunn
Aneesh Kapil
Kevin O’Brien
Azhar Mahmood
Robin Peterson
Jason Roy
Gary Wilson
Somerset will name their team from the same squad that they took to Bristol which is-Marcus Trescothick (capt), James Hildreth (vice capt),Nick Compton, George Dockrell, Lewis Gregory, Craig Kieswetter, Craig Meschede, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Johann Myburgh, Dirk Nannes, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas, Pete Trego and Max Waller.
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Graeme Smith (capt)
Zafar Ansari
Rory Burns
Tom Curran
Steven Davies
Jade Dernbach
Matthew Dunn
Aneesh Kapil
Kevin O’Brien
Azhar Mahmood
Robin Peterson
Jason Roy
Gary Wilson
Somerset will name their team from the same squad that they took to Bristol which is-Marcus Trescothick (capt), James Hildreth (vice capt),Nick Compton, George Dockrell, Lewis Gregory, Craig Kieswetter, Craig Meschede, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Johann Myburgh, Dirk Nannes, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas, Pete Trego and Max Waller.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 17/05/2014 16:34
I understand that he has been invited to lead an anger management course this weekend.
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 10:34
Sky are still using their own large screen at the match, we will have to see if our own new scoreboard will be used as well, some parts of the ground you can't see SKY's screen.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 10:35
There are two chaps waiting outside the ground at 10.30.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 10:36
If we get Smith early then I'd like to think we could put the rest of their batting line-up under considerable pressure (assuming we bowl anything like).
I trust that my hero will be on song!
I trust that my hero will be on song!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 10:37
Rumours are that our screen "may" be used for replays for Fridays match like Gloucester did the other day!
Ambitious given our recent history with scoreboards but very sensible if we have the capacity to do so.
For today as sky are coming with own screen there is no need, watch this space.....
Ambitious given our recent history with scoreboards but very sensible if we have the capacity to do so.
For today as sky are coming with own screen there is no need, watch this space.....
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 10:46
It was said to me that SKY would use the new scoreboard, the new scoreboard is already on maybe they are testing it early because of the problems we have had in the past.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 11:23
It would be prudent to do so.
Is it a fine weather day down there, Mike?
Is it a fine weather day down there, Mike?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 11:30
Re Mike TA1 at 1035, there was someone queueing outside the gates at the Priory Bridge Road entrance at 0910. Even on 4-day games days they stand there from 9! Nothing better to do?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 12:35
AG The weather couldn't be better.
CR, Wow, I couldn't stand for any length of time let alone hours.
CR, Wow, I couldn't stand for any length of time let alone hours.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 12:40
Anybody notice that Middlesex had two t20 matches on the same day and lost them both, I am not sure I agree with that, Middlesex now have a hard time picking themselves up after that.
I feel sorry for them.
I feel sorry for them.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:03
Just to say the traffic jam is just has bad today outside St James entrance.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:14
Thanks, Mike, for the weather update.
As for Middx, I assume the move was a commercial experiment. Commercially I suspect it's quite a good idea and probably worked well for them.
Clearly though, as you say, it may be tough to pick themselves up after two defeats in one day.
As for Middx, I assume the move was a commercial experiment. Commercially I suspect it's quite a good idea and probably worked well for them.
Clearly though, as you say, it may be tough to pick themselves up after two defeats in one day.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:16
I thought this game was meant to be on Sky?
It doesn't seem to be in their listings for today, though?
It doesn't seem to be in their listings for today, though?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:22
AGOD
Sky Sports 2 from 2pm.
Sky Sports 2 from 2pm.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:29
Apparently Middlesex have to pay MCC £300,00 for the privalege of playing a T20 fixture at Lords which seems a huge amount. This is why so many T20 games are played at outgrounds. I suppose two in one day halves what we have to pay the landlord- so commercially worth trying.
For instance, 2,000 spectators at Uxbridge is apparently better financially than 8,000 at Lords.
Edit to add- Surrey are charging Middlesex £80,000 to host the T20 v Somerset (plus I think they want half the gate money) Again, this is considered a cheaper option than Lords (who weren't in a position to host anyway).
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For instance, 2,000 spectators at Uxbridge is apparently better financially than 8,000 at Lords.
Edit to add- Surrey are charging Middlesex £80,000 to host the T20 v Somerset (plus I think they want half the gate money) Again, this is considered a cheaper option than Lords (who weren't in a position to host anyway).
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:58
Do the MCC regard Middlesex CCC as undesirable tenants, Chunky?
If so, perhaps they should once again consider re - locating elsewhere.
If so, perhaps they should once again consider re - locating elsewhere.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 13:59
Are Middx forced to pay a much higher sum to host T20 games (maybe because it involves barbarians at the gates!?) then longer one-day games at Lord's?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:05
Surprised to hear that Smith thinks our tracks looks a 'bit tacky,' by which I assume he means sticky and may not come onto the bat.
Unchanged side for us, so it looks like we have had a re-think from recent practice and are probably intending to go with two front-line spinners as a regular option in our T20 side.
Unchanged side for us, so it looks like we have had a re-think from recent practice and are probably intending to go with two front-line spinners as a regular option in our T20 side.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:07
Thanks for letting me know its on SKY people. I've got live coverage!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:10
With the likes of Smith, Petersen and Mahmood in their side, I'm not really buying Sky's "poor major underdogs Surrey," line.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:15
With more international matches at Lords MCC will only allow Middlesex three T20 matches at Lords. I suppose it's supply and demand. Lords is Middlesex's home- so unthinkable to leave. But I think they need 10,000 to turn up at Lords to be in profit. If they think it will be less they are better off at an outground. Although it hurts to play a 'home' game at The Oval this may become a regular occurance. Basically I think it's a compliment to Somerset, as they have identified that as a match that might get a 10,000 crowd (so don't want to use Uxbridge)
Yesterday I think it was a 10,000 crowd- but of course clashing with FA cup Final, and being on tv, may have reduced the attendance.
Yesterday I think it was a 10,000 crowd- but of course clashing with FA cup Final, and being on tv, may have reduced the attendance.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:15
Somerset side reported by Cricinfo as no change from Friday.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:25
I think I'd probably quite like to see Marcus gamble with one of our spin options against Smith really early in the piece. Like most top order players, I don't think Smith favours starting against bowlers who take all the pace off.
If Nannes is going to bowl to Smith, I hope he pitches it right up, because otherwise I think that pace will just feed the pull and the cut and be right up Smith's street.
If Nannes is going to bowl to Smith, I hope he pitches it right up, because otherwise I think that pace will just feed the pull and the cut and be right up Smith's street.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:25
Yep we have chosen to chase again at Taunton.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:34
Decent over from Nannes but not much pace. He used to be a 90 mph guy.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:38
But poor line from Alf in his opening over - exactly the wrong sort of line to Smith, I'm afraid.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:45
Brilliant from Lewis!!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:54
But not building on it. I think it may have be two spinners in tandem very shortly..
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:54
And then garbage in the next over. 50 up in the powerplay for the Brown Hats. Waller in early.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:57
Not so brilliant in that last over
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 14:57
Waller unlucky to go for ten in that first over.
We need a couple of quick wickets or will face a very large chase indeed.
We need a couple of quick wickets or will face a very large chase indeed.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:01
And very difficult start for GD,
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:01
Not a good start from George. 17 in over 1 ouch
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:03
George is not exactly deceptive on this strip. Maay not get a lot of time with the ball. 17 off his first and a 6 off ball one of over 2.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:05
He deceived you!
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:05
And Vaughan is off on the flat track diatribe..."who'd be a bowler here!!"
Well George would be because he takes number 2 95 for 2.
Give up your day job Michael.
Well George would be because he takes number 2 95 for 2.
Give up your day job Michael.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:06
Same advice for the other Michael who has already offered up the idiotic "It never spins here at Taunton."
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:12
A bit of a respite after the wicket.
Compo was giving it the 'we need more wickets,' refrain and that's certainly usually right. It does rather strike me, though, that, at the minute, they've got a very good platform for Mahmood.
It might not be a bad thing if Mahmood never gets in!
Compo was giving it the 'we need more wickets,' refrain and that's certainly usually right. It does rather strike me, though, that, at the minute, they've got a very good platform for Mahmood.
It might not be a bad thing if Mahmood never gets in!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:14
Thought that was pretty darned good from Waller today.
No full tosses and only one really short ball.
No full tosses and only one really short ball.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:19
And loads of different stuff to keep them guessing. But we're going for 10 an over. George gets Wilson... tempted and taken. Makes a pretty lame performance from GD look considerably better
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:22
James Hildreth has been inspired in the field today.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:27
Nice job by Gregory to finish off his spell.
Now, can Alf and Nannes hold them down to under 180?
Now, can Alf and Nannes hold them down to under 180?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:31
Nannes isn't a fast bowler anymore. I think he'll come in handy if conditions are swing friendly but, otherwise, he looks just another bowler to me.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:34
Waller's fine day continues.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:45
Very strong finish by Alf.
Overall, I think we bowled too many wides in their innings.
And although they got far fewer than seemed probable at one time, I would guess that we'll still have a tough run chase ahead of us.
Overall, I think we bowled too many wides in their innings.
And although they got far fewer than seemed probable at one time, I would guess that we'll still have a tough run chase ahead of us.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:48
Alf still has it. My worries of Friday blown away by two excellent death overs.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:50
Yeah, but he seems to have it much more frequently at the end than at the beginning. So I do wonder whether we might be better off changing the balance of his overs so that he maybe has three at the end and only one at the start?
Of course, that would mean somebody else needs to step up in the first power-play.
Of course, that would mean somebody else needs to step up in the first power-play.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:53
Jade v Marcus. Please show him something Marcus, My day would be truly made if that were to happen.
No Peter T today - may have got a little closer than Dirk at some point.
Max looks like he has far more confidence and what a fielder he is.
No Peter T today - may have got a little closer than Dirk at some point.
Max looks like he has far more confidence and what a fielder he is.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 15:55
Yeah, commentators were speculating about whether the pitch might have gone really slow and things. I'd have thought that, if that was the case, Pete would have got some bowling.
Waller used the crease very well indeed and relied less than in the past on use of a regular googly.
Waller used the crease very well indeed and relied less than in the past on use of a regular googly.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:16
Maybe CK should forget the idea of running? Looking a million dollars in terms of playing shots, but nearly had a second mix up there - calm down lads!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: mikeindex (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:19
Quote:I'll say - interviewed by Isa Guha!AGod
Waller's fine day continues.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:26
Quote:AGod
calm down lads!!
Something that could apply all round.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:43
Not looking great with that dismissal, especially as we still have Compton in the hutch, who is most unlikely to score at the required rate.
Will probably be down to these two to try and take it home from here.
Will probably be down to these two to try and take it home from here.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:54
And then James tries 'fancy' and doesn't hit it
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 16:58
Nice start for the "Snail", can he keep it up
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:00
And that is likely to be pretty much all, I'm afraid.
Bowled too many wides and four balls and then not enough support for CK with the bat.
Bowled too many wides and four balls and then not enough support for CK with the bat.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:01
Good effort needed now to win from here!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:01
Lame and tame.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:02
Back to kiddie cricket I'm afraid. Headless and brainless with it!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:03
Could do with Buttler now. No firepower from the lower order unfortunately
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:05
Compton at six is just poor thinking from SCCC management, I'm afraid..... If you're going to bat NC there then you're basically relying on the game being hugely in hand (run-rate wise) by the time NC comes in.
NC did his best and tried to score quickly but, really, he looked like a fish out of water playing those shots.
NC did his best and tried to score quickly but, really, he looked like a fish out of water playing those shots.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:06
Yeah we've lost this because Jos Buttler isn't in there!!
Whenever this has happened in the past Jos has gone the way of the rest. The only reason we have no power at the end is that Craig M is injured.
But keep up the Buttler myth - he's a decent scapegoat for a poor batting performance.
Whenever this has happened in the past Jos has gone the way of the rest. The only reason we have no power at the end is that Craig M is injured.
But keep up the Buttler myth - he's a decent scapegoat for a poor batting performance.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:10
Yep Nick is in also because Craig M is injured. I'd have sent Lewis in before him and possibly played Craig Overton instead if I was honest.
Oh and for our Buttlerites. Jos would have been in in this side in the first 6 so he would have won it by now and we wouldn't have had to worry about anyone else.
Oh and for our Buttlerites. Jos would have been in in this side in the first 6 so he would have won it by now and we wouldn't have had to worry about anyone else.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:13
And now Gregory injured which is a big blow for the CC bowling.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:14
So the rules are different for internationals and domestic stuff. I thought it was the same for both but obviously not.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:17
Thommo having a go but the middle have left him with too much to do
They'll not get 18 even off Jade.
They'll not get 18 even off Jade.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:20
Threw this one away I'm afraid. It was there to win and we threw it away when we had in our hands and then Vaughan calls us 'Cidermen' to add insult to injury.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:20
Of 11 players, no more than 3 or 4 could be said to have had a good day (Alf, Waller, CK and until the injury, maybe, Gregory.)
You're not going to win too many games, even in T20, with only 3 or 4 players really turning up.
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You're not going to win too many games, even in T20, with only 3 or 4 players really turning up.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:26
True. Bottled it trying to win in 17 when we simply needed to win in 20.
Craig Meschede is a loss at the end of the line-up and they have to develop Craig Overton to contribute in this format with bat and ball. Nick is NOT a T20 player.
Silly run out, miscued Trego attempt at a straight drive, daft flip when it wasn't needed, two attempts to get six when two would have done and a few too many at the start of their innings though the bowlers did pull it back while the batsmen simply didn't.
Craig Meschede is a loss at the end of the line-up and they have to develop Craig Overton to contribute in this format with bat and ball. Nick is NOT a T20 player.
Silly run out, miscued Trego attempt at a straight drive, daft flip when it wasn't needed, two attempts to get six when two would have done and a few too many at the start of their innings though the bowlers did pull it back while the batsmen simply didn't.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:26
Not a good day at the office. First defeat of the season
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:34
They did have Craig O batting at number three in one of the recent second XI games and I think he made 89 not out or something off not very many balls.
I don't know what sort of track record he has in other short form games, but the man should have the levers to hit the ball a substantial distance.
They'll definitely have to get Mesch back in for future games, though if Gregory's out for a while then that may be just one step forward and then one back.
I'd have thought Myburgh and Meschede should probably both come in and (if Gregory is injured) then Craig Overton should come in too.
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I don't know what sort of track record he has in other short form games, but the man should have the levers to hit the ball a substantial distance.
They'll definitely have to get Mesch back in for future games, though if Gregory's out for a while then that may be just one step forward and then one back.
I'd have thought Myburgh and Meschede should probably both come in and (if Gregory is injured) then Craig Overton should come in too.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:41
I keep forgetting JM and I have no idea why because everything he has done up to now make him a definite option.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 17:57
Great day in the sun. 2 poor t20 teAmsI thought though. Our batting is pretty weak after no4 and we don't have the power to clear the ropes. Buttler in that team WOULD have made a difference. If England take crAig then we will finish towards bottom of the group. Don't see the point in nannes at Taunton the faster you bowl the further it goes!! And to compound it all Lewis gets injured. Need the Craigs and Jamie to step up tomorrow!!
Back tomorrow for the real stuff !!
Back tomorrow for the real stuff !!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:04
Don't think SCCChave worked out how Nick fits into the batting order in T20.
Although he's a gritty batsman, I wonder whether we would be better of without him in T20, as it just puts pressure on others.
Wouldn't Trigger be better at No. 6 ?
Grizzzly
Although he's a gritty batsman, I wonder whether we would be better of without him in T20, as it just puts pressure on others.
Wouldn't Trigger be better at No. 6 ?
Grizzzly
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:12
They certainly could consider moving AP up to three and then using Pete to provide some potential fireworks later.
To be honest, we're a little bit short with the batting, partly due to Craig M being injured, partly due to no like for like replacement for Buttler, partly due to Hildreth not really being in much form.
Of more concern than anything else, though, was the injury to Gregory which was precisely what we did not need in CC terms.
To be honest, we're a little bit short with the batting, partly due to Craig M being injured, partly due to no like for like replacement for Buttler, partly due to Hildreth not really being in much form.
Of more concern than anything else, though, was the injury to Gregory which was precisely what we did not need in CC terms.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:18
Missed that - what's his situation ?
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:26
Hamstring, by the look of things.
Could rock up ok tomorrow with ice etc, but probably not.
Could rock up ok tomorrow with ice etc, but probably not.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:38
Rats, bad timing.
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:44
Yeah, he had to have a runner, Grizzly, so it seems very unlikely that it will all correct itself overnight.
Hopefully, Meschede may be fit to resume in his place. If not, then Craig Overton will, presumably, get the call, unless we want to go with a specialist spinner.
GD did not do himself many favours today, if they do want to go with a specialist spinner.
Alternatively, if SCCC are feeling brave and the Durham attack is particularly depleted, then I suppose we might just re-jig things and pick one fewer batsman so that both a specialist spinner and a more direct replacement for Gregory can come into the XI?
Hopefully, Meschede may be fit to resume in his place. If not, then Craig Overton will, presumably, get the call, unless we want to go with a specialist spinner.
GD did not do himself many favours today, if they do want to go with a specialist spinner.
Alternatively, if SCCC are feeling brave and the Durham attack is particularly depleted, then I suppose we might just re-jig things and pick one fewer batsman so that both a specialist spinner and a more direct replacement for Gregory can come into the XI?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:44
fE he wee hardly walk after he did it. If it's as bad as it looks I would suggest we won't see Lewis until July.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 18:45
If it's a hamstring and a tear than I think they are normally six week jobs. If it's just a strain then you can sometimes get away with 2-3 weeks.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 19:21
Suspect Ronniesabre is right, he could barely make it out to square leg (why on earth did they leave him out there? we needed boundries and you can't hit them off one leg). I somehow doubt we will see him again till July or more.
Fairly poor day all round, and i feel CK must take at least a share of the blame, stopped playing shots and allowed himself to become becalmed from about 8 overs and began putting pressure on the other batters.
Fairly poor day all round, and i feel CK must take at least a share of the blame, stopped playing shots and allowed himself to become becalmed from about 8 overs and began putting pressure on the other batters.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 19:40
Agree with most of the above.
Like it or not of course we miss Jos, any team would. I'm not saying him not being there cost us the game but he offers that chance of confidently chasing say 50 off 5 at death.
I'm sorry but Nicky, Lewis and Alfie at 6/7/8 just isn't going to chase 50 off 5 very often.
Sinilarly it wasn't Nick's fault we lost but batting at 6 in a T20 game just isn't him.
Craig M definitely could be the answer, and maybe Cove too but not Nick.
Real shame to see Lewis crocked, I'm no doctor but it looked bad, it was no tweak, he was struggling to even hobble let alone walk. You could tell he knew it was bad as he slammed bat on floor a few times at non strikers end in pure frustration at what had happened to him. I'd be as pessimistic as mid July/August, lets wait for the report but definitely can't see him playing again in near future.
Really lovely day and great crowd. So much better than Friday, no sign of any trouble, no Mexican waves, crowd was controlled so as to not get in the way of watching overs.
Small band did a bit of pre match music, that was well appreciated.
Would like to think we'd play a spinner tomorrow but we seem naturally very negative this year in selection so would expect normal top 8, with Alfie, Jove and Mesch/Cove as the extra 3 bowlers. Personally I'd have George in for Jones, harsh on Jones but we need to try somehow to get 20 wickets at home.....
Like it or not of course we miss Jos, any team would. I'm not saying him not being there cost us the game but he offers that chance of confidently chasing say 50 off 5 at death.
I'm sorry but Nicky, Lewis and Alfie at 6/7/8 just isn't going to chase 50 off 5 very often.
Sinilarly it wasn't Nick's fault we lost but batting at 6 in a T20 game just isn't him.
Craig M definitely could be the answer, and maybe Cove too but not Nick.
Real shame to see Lewis crocked, I'm no doctor but it looked bad, it was no tweak, he was struggling to even hobble let alone walk. You could tell he knew it was bad as he slammed bat on floor a few times at non strikers end in pure frustration at what had happened to him. I'd be as pessimistic as mid July/August, lets wait for the report but definitely can't see him playing again in near future.
Really lovely day and great crowd. So much better than Friday, no sign of any trouble, no Mexican waves, crowd was controlled so as to not get in the way of watching overs.
Small band did a bit of pre match music, that was well appreciated.
Would like to think we'd play a spinner tomorrow but we seem naturally very negative this year in selection so would expect normal top 8, with Alfie, Jove and Mesch/Cove as the extra 3 bowlers. Personally I'd have George in for Jones, harsh on Jones but we need to try somehow to get 20 wickets at home.....
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 19:46
Jason Roy 64 off 47 balls (Man of the Match)
Craig K. 61 Off 47 balls
Cannot agree with your last paragraph Railboy.
Craig K. 61 Off 47 balls
Cannot agree with your last paragraph Railboy.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 19:52
Craig was stuck as with wickets falling he couldn't afford to continue playing risky shots.
He just rotated which maybe got the rate up too high but can't blame him for that.
2 matches and he has top scored in both, we just need to build more partnerships, another 2/3 overs of AP and Craig today then rate may have been more manageable when Hildy and Compo came in.
Think we need to accept that without Jos we can't let teams get 175/180+ and be super confident of chasing it down.
If we are going to stick to trying to chase then we need to find a way of keeping scores to 160ish and then get a good start in reply above the rate.
He just rotated which maybe got the rate up too high but can't blame him for that.
2 matches and he has top scored in both, we just need to build more partnerships, another 2/3 overs of AP and Craig today then rate may have been more manageable when Hildy and Compo came in.
Think we need to accept that without Jos we can't let teams get 175/180+ and be super confident of chasing it down.
If we are going to stick to trying to chase then we need to find a way of keeping scores to 160ish and then get a good start in reply above the rate.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 20:06
I agree with your final paragraph.
I didn't feel very confident, at the half-way stage, of a run chase with a 6,7, 8 of NC, Gregory and Alf. Or at least, I thought to myself that the top four would probably have to get us home.
I didn't feel very confident, at the half-way stage, of a run chase with a 6,7, 8 of NC, Gregory and Alf. Or at least, I thought to myself that the top four would probably have to get us home.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 20:53
Why is it harsh on jones wsm?. He's hardly scored a run. Neither has hildy so any one one of the two can go. Meschede is the most important player in our team can score and take wkts. He can replace Gregory. As for Buttler well with respect but i hope lancs get relegated !!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:03
And that's why I limited my verdict to "a share of the blame" ie. the fact that he top scored and at an overall rate that seemed reasonable should not mean that he was entirely blameless. The man who is set and is the most capable of clearing the boundries must take responsibility for ensuring that the required rate doesn't get out of hand. As others have said, we look very short of firepower from 4 onwards, and two of those are an increasingly flakey skipper (shame is he was looking good today!) and Trego who is the epitony of @#$%& or bust.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:09
Tres in the field too. Oh dear!! Now I know why smith retired too. He ain't daft.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:17
Jones got 75 and Hildy a 67, admittedly the rest have been failiures but we've only played 4 matches.
Hildy is vice captain so see no possibility we will consider dropping him.
As Jones is opener I think we have decided that's the way we want to go. Of course we could move AP or Compo up and shift rest up 1 but I'm not sure the powers that be are keen on that.
Long long way to go in T20, there are 2 groups, of which each team plays 14 games, top 4 out of 9 will qualify so can probably afford to lose 5 maybe even 6 and scrape through.
We are still a very good T20 side but in the past I feel we have been the best in the country, when we lost it was our fault, as we hadn't played to our potential.
Now I think even at our best we can't guarantee to win.
We are good enough to beat anyone on our day but I think we have lost our invincibility in the T20 form.
If we win 9 and lose 5 I think that'll be a fair reflection and see us qualify comfortably.
Hildy is vice captain so see no possibility we will consider dropping him.
As Jones is opener I think we have decided that's the way we want to go. Of course we could move AP or Compo up and shift rest up 1 but I'm not sure the powers that be are keen on that.
Long long way to go in T20, there are 2 groups, of which each team plays 14 games, top 4 out of 9 will qualify so can probably afford to lose 5 maybe even 6 and scrape through.
We are still a very good T20 side but in the past I feel we have been the best in the country, when we lost it was our fault, as we hadn't played to our potential.
Now I think even at our best we can't guarantee to win.
We are good enough to beat anyone on our day but I think we have lost our invincibility in the T20 form.
If we win 9 and lose 5 I think that'll be a fair reflection and see us qualify comfortably.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:30
We are outsiders now. Trescothicks fielding today was like my grandpa walking through treacle!! Cple if times at backward point he took ages to get down and the ball went for 4. People I spoke to later mentioned it too . In t20 his contribution now is limited. With no Buttler and no pollard or a hitter we are exposed. Its overton time tomorrow !!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:42
Outsiders for what? Winning or qualifying?
In my eyes we are quite easily in the top 4 best teams in this group.
Obviously we may not qualify and I certainly would put my house on us winning the cup but we are definitely one of the best 4 teams on paper in our group.
Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire are decent but we have to be hoping to be beating Glos, Mid'x, Glam, Kent and Essex.
There are not many teams who will look at our team and be confident of beating us, up to us to do the business on the park.
In my eyes we are quite easily in the top 4 best teams in this group.
Obviously we may not qualify and I certainly would put my house on us winning the cup but we are definitely one of the best 4 teams on paper in our group.
Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire are decent but we have to be hoping to be beating Glos, Mid'x, Glam, Kent and Essex.
There are not many teams who will look at our team and be confident of beating us, up to us to do the business on the park.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/05/2014 21:45
Today's photos.
A new position for me today on the roof of the OP. I will leave you lot to comment on today's play.
The day started with skydivers this is the plane they fell out of.
And this is one of the skydivers coming down.
And there he is about to touch down.
Alviro Petersen catching Graeme Smith off Lewis Gregory.
This ball to Gary Wilson was called a wide off Lewis Gregory, I have my own opinion on that decision.
I would have like to have seen more balls pitch up like this one from Lewis Gregory that bowled Kevin O'Brien.
How dare that man Robin Peterson sweep Alfonso Thomas he hasn't even got his name on his back.
Somebody tell Azhar Mahmood he is purpose to hit the ball.
It looks like the only man that can give us the sort on innings we needed now Jos Buttler is gone is Craig Kieswetter that was a big six into the flats.
If somebody was going to get out playing that shot like that it will be James Hildreth bowled by Tom Curran.
I still think Nick Compton has a place in the one day side but batting further up the order, he was almost caught by Gary Wilson in this photo.
Kevin O'Brien about to catch Craig Kieswetter off the bowling of Zafar Ansari.
This Lewis Gregory injury looks bad he found it hard to walk to square leg.
A new position for me today on the roof of the OP. I will leave you lot to comment on today's play.
The day started with skydivers this is the plane they fell out of.
And this is one of the skydivers coming down.
And there he is about to touch down.
Alviro Petersen catching Graeme Smith off Lewis Gregory.
This ball to Gary Wilson was called a wide off Lewis Gregory, I have my own opinion on that decision.
I would have like to have seen more balls pitch up like this one from Lewis Gregory that bowled Kevin O'Brien.
How dare that man Robin Peterson sweep Alfonso Thomas he hasn't even got his name on his back.
Somebody tell Azhar Mahmood he is purpose to hit the ball.
It looks like the only man that can give us the sort on innings we needed now Jos Buttler is gone is Craig Kieswetter that was a big six into the flats.
If somebody was going to get out playing that shot like that it will be James Hildreth bowled by Tom Curran.
I still think Nick Compton has a place in the one day side but batting further up the order, he was almost caught by Gary Wilson in this photo.
Kevin O'Brien about to catch Craig Kieswetter off the bowling of Zafar Ansari.
This Lewis Gregory injury looks bad he found it hard to walk to square leg.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 03:47
We haven't got a hope guys because Jos Buttler isn't there to pull us out of the fire as he did so many times in the past while winning us trophy after trophy with his very consistent T20 playing, coming in with his almighty power at number 7 it seems to save our bacon as we collapsed as only he can.
Yes it is sarcastic but get real. He is no more available than Ian Blackwell who it seems did the same after he left but crumbled usually with the rest when these kind of games went on in reality. Jos' reality is somewhat similar.
We were a batsman short last night and played Nick instead, a man not naturally gifted to be in a T20 side. The missing Somerset batsman's name was either Craig Meschede or Johan Myburgh. Sorry to break it to some of you but Jos doesn't live here any more, he chose to leave the county for pastures new.
Jos MIGHT have made a difference last night at number 5 where he usually played in these games but he was as likely to play all round a straight one as smack it into Priory Road and did exactly that in my own recollection from last year on different occasions.
Pete, Alviro, James, Craig and Nick got it wrong last night and left it to the tail with too much to do.
Had Mesch been coming in to work with Lewis it might have been different but we had ample talent on the pitch to score 180. They simply didn't do it and hoping an angel from Lancashire had floated down to save us is nothing but wishful thinking. He didn't manage it last year as often as not so why would he have suddenly changed?
You can't always get what you want and that grass is always greener on the other side and so forth. Don't worry it gets easier and you WILL get over it. The "Ians" did a few years ago now - but on reflection it did take a while so it may get harder before it gets easier.
I suppose there is the one day loss Jos would have won for us yet to come and the CC1 game where he would have provided the winning contribution but then the pain will ease hopefully.
Who knows by the time we're over him he might even be back... it has happened before.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014:05:19:06:39:38 by Grockle.
Yes it is sarcastic but get real. He is no more available than Ian Blackwell who it seems did the same after he left but crumbled usually with the rest when these kind of games went on in reality. Jos' reality is somewhat similar.
We were a batsman short last night and played Nick instead, a man not naturally gifted to be in a T20 side. The missing Somerset batsman's name was either Craig Meschede or Johan Myburgh. Sorry to break it to some of you but Jos doesn't live here any more, he chose to leave the county for pastures new.
Jos MIGHT have made a difference last night at number 5 where he usually played in these games but he was as likely to play all round a straight one as smack it into Priory Road and did exactly that in my own recollection from last year on different occasions.
Pete, Alviro, James, Craig and Nick got it wrong last night and left it to the tail with too much to do.
Had Mesch been coming in to work with Lewis it might have been different but we had ample talent on the pitch to score 180. They simply didn't do it and hoping an angel from Lancashire had floated down to save us is nothing but wishful thinking. He didn't manage it last year as often as not so why would he have suddenly changed?
You can't always get what you want and that grass is always greener on the other side and so forth. Don't worry it gets easier and you WILL get over it. The "Ians" did a few years ago now - but on reflection it did take a while so it may get harder before it gets easier.
I suppose there is the one day loss Jos would have won for us yet to come and the CC1 game where he would have provided the winning contribution but then the pain will ease hopefully.
Who knows by the time we're over him he might even be back... it has happened before.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014:05:19:06:39:38 by Grockle.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 08:35
I think we need to stop winning the toss and bowling first. Blowing the Jos myth away, I think moreso we never seem to chase down targets well at all. We are far better defending a lead as we demonstrated on Friday night.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 09:35
Yep it does seem to be the way. You start to think we ought to set a total at home.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 10:28
I'd quite like to compile a list of our T20 results over, say, the last 5 years and see how often we've chased down v defended.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 10:33
The problem with setting a target at Taunton* is you can never be sure how many are really enough....... and the problem could be the top three going too mad early and getting out, then leaving us with little chance of accelerating later.
I think we fielded first not because we thought we were going to tear into them with the new ball but because Marcus probably realised that we don't have the batting power of old. Certainly Alf made a comment to that effect (about our balance between our T20 batting and bowling) before the T20 campaign began.
However, in most away games, unless the track is starting damp, then I would certainly prefer Somerset to bat first.
I think we fielded first not because we thought we were going to tear into them with the new ball but because Marcus probably realised that we don't have the batting power of old. Certainly Alf made a comment to that effect (about our balance between our T20 batting and bowling) before the T20 campaign began.
However, in most away games, unless the track is starting damp, then I would certainly prefer Somerset to bat first.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 13:17
Well that doesn't quite fit with MT's much reported belief that 300 is a viable total at Taunton. Tends to suggest he believes we DO have the batting power. It hasn't particularly changed since last year and some parts of it are showing better overall batting form than in 2013.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 13:48
Well, if he's so confident then he should just bat first and bat people out of the game.
I don't really think they are though. I don't know where, or in what context, the 300 comment came but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some T20 publicity/marketing puffery.
I don't really think they are though. I don't know where, or in what context, the 300 comment came but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some T20 publicity/marketing puffery.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 14:43
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 21:29
Load of drivel couldn't even score 200 v warks second x1 marcus on the sherry again . Maybe he should stay on it when he bats!!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 19/05/2014 22:49
As a friend said if Marcus thinks 300 is possible then I hope he starts batting first as if opposition keep batting first at home then if 300 is scored it's not going to be by us!
In all reality it is near enough impossible. Its 15 per over, so if one "only" goes for 10 you need a 20 to make it up.
Its just bonkers, you'd need for example your top 3 all to score 100 off 40 balls.
I do think 250/260 could be done but 300 really is out of reach, it was just a interview trying to promote the Natwest Blast, I don't think he had sat down and really calculated the possibility of what he was saying.
In all reality it is near enough impossible. Its 15 per over, so if one "only" goes for 10 you need a 20 to make it up.
Its just bonkers, you'd need for example your top 3 all to score 100 off 40 balls.
I do think 250/260 could be done but 300 really is out of reach, it was just a interview trying to promote the Natwest Blast, I don't think he had sat down and really calculated the possibility of what he was saying.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Keith's Sweater (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 00:02
Quote:Tumbles
I'd quite like to compile a list of our T20 results over, say, the last 5 years and see how often we've chased down v defended.
Since the beginning of 2009, Somerset have won 19/31 (61%) of T20s in which they batted first and 29/50 (58%) in which they chased. No different, then.
Interestingly, though, Somerset have won 19/38 (50%) of games in which they won the toss and 29/43 (67%) of games in which they lost the toss.
More particularly, Somerset have won 4/15 (27%) of games in which Marcus Trescothick won the toss and 21/28 (75%) in which Marcus Trescothick lost the toss.
And, at Taunton, Trescothick has won the toss on only 4/17 occasions. But that's probably as well, since Somerset have won 1/4 (25%) of those games and 11/13 (85%) in which he lost the toss.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 07:26
Absolutely incredible disparity in terms of when Marcus loses the toss rather than wins.
Perhaps our batsmen struggle under the pressure when we decide to bat first and our bowlers struggle with expectation when we insert!?
Some would say the figures imply that Tres consistently makes the wrong decision but, if so, they surely imply the same about the opposing skipper!? Although it looks as though other SCCC captains (presumably mainly Alf) have won 15 of the 23 games in which they won the toss i.e just under 60 percent. So perhaps Alf is the only man in the land that can get it right!!?
i suppose that, at 43 games the Tresco sample size is still relatively small and the other captains one smaller still.... It will be interesting to see how this goes for the remainder of this campaign.
Perhaps our batsmen struggle under the pressure when we decide to bat first and our bowlers struggle with expectation when we insert!?
Some would say the figures imply that Tres consistently makes the wrong decision but, if so, they surely imply the same about the opposing skipper!? Although it looks as though other SCCC captains (presumably mainly Alf) have won 15 of the 23 games in which they won the toss i.e just under 60 percent. So perhaps Alf is the only man in the land that can get it right!!?
i suppose that, at 43 games the Tresco sample size is still relatively small and the other captains one smaller still.... It will be interesting to see how this goes for the remainder of this campaign.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 07:26
Blimey!
Thanks Keith's.
Thanks Keith's.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 07:54
I'm missing something. Where does the 15 out of 23 for other SCCC captains come from AG?
There is also the other possibility that wining or losing the toss has little significant difference on the outcome of the game and the stats have no correlation to anything at all.
There is also the other possibility that wining or losing the toss has little significant difference on the outcome of the game and the stats have no correlation to anything at all.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 09:12
15 from 23 is the difference between "Somerset win toss" and "Marcus wins toss".
Basically, it's all toss!
Basically, it's all toss!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 09:30
19/38 (somerset win toss) minus 4/15 (Marcus wins toss) = 15/23 wins when somebody other than Marcus wins the toss for SCCC, Grockle.
Obviously, if the toss makes little overall difference then, over time, one would expect the figures (for an average T20 side) to move towards a 50% win rate for the side that wins the loss (and loses the toss).
Of course, since 2009 Somerset have, surely, been an above average T20 side as well, which makes the 73% loss rate when Tres wins the toss all the more startling.
Obviously, if the toss makes little overall difference then, over time, one would expect the figures (for an average T20 side) to move towards a 50% win rate for the side that wins the loss (and loses the toss).
Of course, since 2009 Somerset have, surely, been an above average T20 side as well, which makes the 73% loss rate when Tres wins the toss all the more startling.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/05/2014 10:03
Of course it's since 2009. Thanks for the clarification.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2014 16:50
Kent have left out Ben Harmison, who hit a century against Glo`shire at Bristol this week, from their 12-strong T20 squad to play Somerset at Taunton tomorrow.
Ten of the team from the Bristol match are named, with batsman Alex Blake, who scored useful runs in a recent friendly against Sri Lanka, and former Hampshire seamer Davd Griffiths added to the squad.
Ten of the team from the Bristol match are named, with batsman Alex Blake, who scored useful runs in a recent friendly against Sri Lanka, and former Hampshire seamer Davd Griffiths added to the squad.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2014 07:02
Still no Meschede in our squad. I was hoping he'd be fit to resume vs Warks at Edgbaston but presumably not if he's not even going to play the T20. Mesch had been warming up/training (along with Kirby) during intervals in the Durham game.
If Meschede isn't fit then I'd revert to the extra batsman for the trip, personally, with Jones or Barrow replacing JO. With Myburgh having made a success of opening vs Durham then perhaps if makes sense to give Barrow his chance? He made useful runs in both innings at that venue last season.
If Meschede isn't fit then I'd revert to the extra batsman for the trip, personally, with Jones or Barrow replacing JO. With Myburgh having made a success of opening vs Durham then perhaps if makes sense to give Barrow his chance? He made useful runs in both innings at that venue last season.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/05/2014 16:53
I don't know if this has been mentioned on Friday evening I watched for the first time the new scoreboard being used to show live TV of the crowd, it was very clear to see.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/05/2014 17:14
Middlesex are on their way to losing their fourth match.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/05/2014 13:10
I assumed (I guess wrongly) that the new board would be used either in place of or as well as Sky's screen last week for replays etc. I'm sure their screen was set further back than usual and a large part of the ground couldn't see it.
On Friday trying to spot people in the crowd was a welcome distraction from the cricket though!
On Friday trying to spot people in the crowd was a welcome distraction from the cricket though!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2014 12:51
Re: Marcus's 300 comment, I see that Suresh Raina made 87 from 25 balls in an IPL semi-final.
I think it would take two innings of that kind of absurd pace to give a team a good shot at 300... i..e about 174 from 50 balls would leave you 70 legitimate deliveries to get the "other," 126 runs needed for 300.
I think that shows exactly how improbable 300 would be...
I think it would take two innings of that kind of absurd pace to give a team a good shot at 300... i..e about 174 from 50 balls would leave you 70 legitimate deliveries to get the "other," 126 runs needed for 300.
I think that shows exactly how improbable 300 would be...
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 14:56
I found out from the last Friday evening match there is not enough time to post any photos (weather permitting) the same evening because of the late time of finishing, it will have to be tomorrow morning.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 17:40
I am getting no response from the usual link to commentary on Cricinfo. Does anybody have any (reasonably polite) suggestions?
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 17:43
It's not reaching north London either so it's not personal.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 17:53
Just started to work now. Perhaps the wickets will also start...
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 18:10
Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeego!
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:23
Another pretty dismal performance. Playing at 17:30 this early in the season and win the toss = win the game.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:24
I would envisage, purely from looking at the scorecard, that our bowling lacked some tightness, and our opening batsmen failed to get our innings off to a good enough start.
Are there any reports from some who were there?
Are there any reports from some who were there?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:25
Really? In a game decided by 7 runs? We're only a fortnight from the longest day!!!
Remember that we usually lose when Tres wins the toss in T20 cricket.
Remember that we usually lose when Tres wins the toss in T20 cricket.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:37
Quote:Clarence Parker
I would envisage, purely from looking at the scorecard, that our bowling lacked some tightness, and our opening batsmen failed to get our innings off to a good enough start.
Are there any reports from some who were there?
Nothing in the pitch for either sides bowlers. We gave away two cheap early wickets and found ourselves on back foot from there onwards. Really strange innings by JH who didn't hit a boundary still the last but one ball.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:53
Very very poor im afraid.
Little or no threat with the ball, we are just being milked for 8/10 per over with no idea how to stop it.
We can't take wickets in the powerplay, and when the field goes back we have third man and fine leg up so basically any shot infront the wicket gets a minimum of a single.
In reply we seemed to lack urgency the whole way.
Yes we lost early wickets, but until the last over we showed now intent to get the rate down.
Tregs was great, but if he'd gone crazy 4 or 5 overs out we may have had a chance of getting in touch for last 1 or 2.
Hildy was bizarre, he never played a big shot, he was steady, single almost every ball, but the required rate was 11-12, so singles were not enough, nothing over top, or sweeps, reverse sweeps, very odd.
As it was we smashed the last over to get loss to single figures, but in reality were never in with a sniff the way we played.
3 home T20 defeats on the bounce, I'd suggest for the first time ever?
We have historically been so strong at home in this format.
I'll get shouted at but we so miss Jos, there seems no belief now we can hit 10 an over, where as with Jos we seemed to think 50 off 5 was easy. We may still think that but we currently don't have the line up chasing 50 off 5.
Give or take each of the 3 defeats we have let rate get up, tried to chase 50 or 60 off last 5 and failed.
Little or no threat with the ball, we are just being milked for 8/10 per over with no idea how to stop it.
We can't take wickets in the powerplay, and when the field goes back we have third man and fine leg up so basically any shot infront the wicket gets a minimum of a single.
In reply we seemed to lack urgency the whole way.
Yes we lost early wickets, but until the last over we showed now intent to get the rate down.
Tregs was great, but if he'd gone crazy 4 or 5 overs out we may have had a chance of getting in touch for last 1 or 2.
Hildy was bizarre, he never played a big shot, he was steady, single almost every ball, but the required rate was 11-12, so singles were not enough, nothing over top, or sweeps, reverse sweeps, very odd.
As it was we smashed the last over to get loss to single figures, but in reality were never in with a sniff the way we played.
3 home T20 defeats on the bounce, I'd suggest for the first time ever?
We have historically been so strong at home in this format.
I'll get shouted at but we so miss Jos, there seems no belief now we can hit 10 an over, where as with Jos we seemed to think 50 off 5 was easy. We may still think that but we currently don't have the line up chasing 50 off 5.
Give or take each of the 3 defeats we have let rate get up, tried to chase 50 or 60 off last 5 and failed.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:57
Still think the reality is we have only 3 gun batsmen in short format cricket and 66.6% of them have failed in 100% of T20 games this season.
In some previous seasons we had not three gun batsmen, but five as we had not only Jos but also the real KP.
In some previous seasons we had not three gun batsmen, but five as we had not only Jos but also the real KP.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 22:58
We actually went at nearly 10 for nigh on 11 overs.. It was the@#$%&power play start that undid us.
That and trying to pick the ball out when it's gloomy is a nightmare I sense.
Dirk despite his decent start at glos hasn't really delivered. Sammy showed tonight what world class T20 bowling is about.
That and trying to pick the ball out when it's gloomy is a nightmare I sense.
Dirk despite his decent start at glos hasn't really delivered. Sammy showed tonight what world class T20 bowling is about.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:00
Good job Sammy did not show with the bat! Because he hits it miles.
Nannes no longer has pace which is tough for a gut that relied on it.
Nannes no longer has pace which is tough for a gut that relied on it.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:02
You won't get shouted at WSM but please give me the T20 games when Jos was in and we got 50 off 5 regularly. I'm personally struggling to remember them.
I certainly don't dispute that we are struggling to get a hitter in doing some damage and if Jos was here it might be him but the problem seems to be getting a hitter in NOT that hitter being Jos Buttler because it seems he used to do it all the time whenever we asked him to - not the case in my recollection.
It was as likely to be down to Pete or Craig K or Craig M as Jos. It certainly wasn't down to Marcus last year but we would not be surprised if he did it this. We have more than one T20 game changer in this side. They are all under achieving. Last year we had one more and still didn't do particularly well simply because of JB's presence.
I certainly don't dispute that we are struggling to get a hitter in doing some damage and if Jos was here it might be him but the problem seems to be getting a hitter in NOT that hitter being Jos Buttler because it seems he used to do it all the time whenever we asked him to - not the case in my recollection.
It was as likely to be down to Pete or Craig K or Craig M as Jos. It certainly wasn't down to Marcus last year but we would not be surprised if he did it this. We have more than one T20 game changer in this side. They are all under achieving. Last year we had one more and still didn't do particularly well simply because of JB's presence.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:13
I cant recollect individual games but I was at many where we scored several 40 off 20, 30 off 12 type knocks that we are now lacking at the end of innings.
I'm not head of the Jos fan club, I think he's the best one day batter in the country but he's gone end of story.
I'd love it to now be Mesch, Gregory, Cove but at the minute we just aren't doing it.
Comnpo certainly wasn't the answer in the first 3 games, and Hildy didn't manage it today.
We really just need some greater intent I feel.
I'd have been far happier us all out for 150 off 18 tonight going for it, than only being 4 down but never really going for it in the closing overs.
Yes the powerplay was poor, but even after that you have to keep playing shots, a rate of 11-12 is so hard to chase for a long period, just one over of 6-7-8 means the rate keeps climbing. And so it was, Sammy I think went for a 4 or 5 and from 56 from 5 it got to 42 from 3, 32 from 2, 27 from 1 etc.
We are now in a real mess, I think you can afford to lose no more than 5 really, meaning you need to win 9. So I make that we need at least 8 wins from the last 10, with 6 on away pitches that don't always suit us.....
I'm not head of the Jos fan club, I think he's the best one day batter in the country but he's gone end of story.
I'd love it to now be Mesch, Gregory, Cove but at the minute we just aren't doing it.
Comnpo certainly wasn't the answer in the first 3 games, and Hildy didn't manage it today.
We really just need some greater intent I feel.
I'd have been far happier us all out for 150 off 18 tonight going for it, than only being 4 down but never really going for it in the closing overs.
Yes the powerplay was poor, but even after that you have to keep playing shots, a rate of 11-12 is so hard to chase for a long period, just one over of 6-7-8 means the rate keeps climbing. And so it was, Sammy I think went for a 4 or 5 and from 56 from 5 it got to 42 from 3, 32 from 2, 27 from 1 etc.
We are now in a real mess, I think you can afford to lose no more than 5 really, meaning you need to win 9. So I make that we need at least 8 wins from the last 10, with 6 on away pitches that don't always suit us.....
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:16
Very simply: when two of your top three have failed in every
game?
That's going to undermine you, big-time.
game?
That's going to undermine you, big-time.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:29
In my view I think we are quite arrogant about r20 cricket now. We used to be the powerhouse batting side but look at other teams. They are all at least equal and in the case of yorks hants and even Kent are better!! Trescothick has failed at t20 for 2 years now which amplifies the Buttler loss. I am mystified about the nannes signing it seems pointless to me. We have a young bowler in Jove who would learn loads from an accuracy standpoint and direction playing in this and a 38 yo Aussie is denying him that chance. And we are paying him cash for this too. If we lose the next one it's gone for me the confidence will be low and we'd be as well trying others to blood them. Even jones!! T20 tho is a moneyspinner and if we aren't doing well then maybe people don't go as much which In turn hits the club. So we have to at least be in with a chance to keep that interest up!!
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:38
Yeah, one more loss and turn it over to the second XI guys. They have earned their chance with their T20 efforts this season. Rest all the important CC guys. Remember we lost Gregory for weeks to an injury sustainec in hit and giggle..
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2014 23:54
A bit late but I have managed to post my photos tonight.
It's all going wrong what has happened to our batting? The batsman that did score runs was at over a run a ball, like James Hildreth did but no fours.
Marcus lost the toss so no blame to him for batting last, we should be good enough batting second to chase down a total.
How good is your eye sight, can you see the coin?
A good stop down the leg side by Craig Kieswetter.
And then Craig tried to stump Jacques Rudolph but as you can see his foot is firmly on the ground.
Peter Trego's goalkeeping skills came in handy catching Jacques Rudolph off Max Waller.
Alfonso Thomas had Darren Sammy tied up in knots by bowling wide outside the off stumps, he missed the ball several time trying to hit the ball to the boundary.
Until finally Darren Sammy did get an edge and was caught behind by Craig Kieswetter off Alfonso Thomas.
Marcus Trescothick edged behind to Mark Wallace off Graham Wagg.
Peter Trego played a good innings today, you need some luck on the way to a big score like this bottom edge just missing the stumps.
It's all going wrong what has happened to our batting? The batsman that did score runs was at over a run a ball, like James Hildreth did but no fours.
Marcus lost the toss so no blame to him for batting last, we should be good enough batting second to chase down a total.
How good is your eye sight, can you see the coin?
A good stop down the leg side by Craig Kieswetter.
And then Craig tried to stump Jacques Rudolph but as you can see his foot is firmly on the ground.
Peter Trego's goalkeeping skills came in handy catching Jacques Rudolph off Max Waller.
Alfonso Thomas had Darren Sammy tied up in knots by bowling wide outside the off stumps, he missed the ball several time trying to hit the ball to the boundary.
Until finally Darren Sammy did get an edge and was caught behind by Craig Kieswetter off Alfonso Thomas.
Marcus Trescothick edged behind to Mark Wallace off Graham Wagg.
Peter Trego played a good innings today, you need some luck on the way to a big score like this bottom edge just missing the stumps.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 01:13
We need Langer and White back opening.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 01:14
We're joint second in the the Championship, so I couldn't give a flying **** about our T20 struggles, TBH.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 05:49
I'm not a fan of T20 either, but I don't suppose our marketing department is feeling too chuffed by our recent efforts.
Feel sorry for Trigger after his sterling performance.
Grizzzly
Feel sorry for Trigger after his sterling performance.
Grizzzly
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 05:54
Not to put mockers on anything but sides that have good long format seasons tend not to have particularly good short form runs... just saying.
Well done to Pete but like England almost every time he was left with too much to do in too little time. The first 6 overs boys in T20 that is where it happens or the job of winning gets really hard.
And yes you are right WSM Jos Buttler has gone..."end of story"
Well done to Pete but like England almost every time he was left with too much to do in too little time. The first 6 overs boys in T20 that is where it happens or the job of winning gets really hard.
And yes you are right WSM Jos Buttler has gone..."end of story"
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 07:44
Yes, FE, this does not matter unless it starts to have any wider effect on confidence. So far, the first couple of defeats seemed to have no effect and hopefully the same will be true of this one and future losses.
The CC leaders are getting pasted in hit and giggle every week and it seems to have affected their CC form not one jot either.
Mike asked the question about our T20 batting and 'what has gone wrong?'
It could be that the very thing that has made such a positive difference in the CC - batsmen heeding the injuctions of DN and DH to occupy the crease - has caused them to lose a little bit of sharpness in the attacking side of their game. A price VERY much worth paying, IMO.
I really would like to see some of the young players that did well to get to the second XI T20 final given their chance at first-team T20.
The CC leaders are getting pasted in hit and giggle every week and it seems to have affected their CC form not one jot either.
Mike asked the question about our T20 batting and 'what has gone wrong?'
It could be that the very thing that has made such a positive difference in the CC - batsmen heeding the injuctions of DN and DH to occupy the crease - has caused them to lose a little bit of sharpness in the attacking side of their game. A price VERY much worth paying, IMO.
I really would like to see some of the young players that did well to get to the second XI T20 final given their chance at first-team T20.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 09:18
I see Pete says it was a two-paced track and not one of ye usual belters.
I tend to think that we rarely bat well in limited overs cricket on those type of pitches, probably because our guys are too used to belters for one-day home tracks.
I tend to think that we rarely bat well in limited overs cricket on those type of pitches, probably because our guys are too used to belters for one-day home tracks.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 10:34
It's so hard to sustain a challenge across all 3 formats. We know that better than most..so close one year to winning everything, yet ended up with nothing. It's disappointing the T20 has started so badly, although last night was quite a good match for the crowd. But as others have said, I believe many of us would swap a first disappointing T20 campaign in years for a sustained CC challenge. Worth noting the current CC Leaders are also having a poor T20.
My one niggle about us is we give the impression of our tactics being set in stone, the plans firmly laid before the match starts, and not flexible enough to change things as the game progresses. So Compo comes in at 3 v Durham when we are chasing quick runs with the rain coming in! That's just one example. Last night I felt there was a strong case for Myburgh coming in ahead of Hildreth, and that's not said with hindsight. JM hits boundaries, his scoring rate in the CC has been very impressive, plus James was coming in 'cold' after more than a week out. This may be totally wrong and unfair but we do always seem to stick to the batting order, and maybe the pre-conceived bowling plan too.
Great start in the CC though..let's hope for a good day tomorrow!
My one niggle about us is we give the impression of our tactics being set in stone, the plans firmly laid before the match starts, and not flexible enough to change things as the game progresses. So Compo comes in at 3 v Durham when we are chasing quick runs with the rain coming in! That's just one example. Last night I felt there was a strong case for Myburgh coming in ahead of Hildreth, and that's not said with hindsight. JM hits boundaries, his scoring rate in the CC has been very impressive, plus James was coming in 'cold' after more than a week out. This may be totally wrong and unfair but we do always seem to stick to the batting order, and maybe the pre-conceived bowling plan too.
Great start in the CC though..let's hope for a good day tomorrow!
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 10:38
At least they picked Myburgh this time! No idea why he wasn't ahead of NC in T20 pecking order all along?
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 12:20
Unless the first four wickets go down for almost nothing there is no case IMHO for sending Nick in before number 5 if he plays at all. His job would be to stonewall a batting disaster while anyone else tried to make runs. It is no criticism of the man, he is the best in the country at what he does (and someone at national level should get off their backsides and realise that) but he is not a quick run making one day player.
I can think of at least 9 batsmen who should be ahead of him in a one day selection meeting.
He'd be second on my team sheet for any championship game.
I can think of at least 9 batsmen who should be ahead of him in a one day selection meeting.
He'd be second on my team sheet for any championship game.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 15:19
Ooh, you are tease, Grockle.
You just want someone to ask who would be number one.
You just want someone to ask who would be number one.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2014 15:30
There are nine players who would be number one on my team sheet for CC matches, including NC.
(Sorry, Bobstan, you're not one of them)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
(Sorry, Bobstan, you're not one of them)
LoL
Sixty-six Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2014 16:08
Hampshire Squad for tomorrow's game.
(2) Will Smith
(3) Owais Shah
(4) Jimmy Adams
(6) Joe Gatting
(7) Sean Ervine
(14) James Vince
(15) Michael Carberry
(19) Danny Briggs
(25) Chris Wood
(26) Matt Coles
(31) Adam Wheater
(32) Glenn Maxwell
(87) Kyle Abbott
Looks a very strong squad to me.
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(2) Will Smith
(3) Owais Shah
(4) Jimmy Adams
(6) Joe Gatting
(7) Sean Ervine
(14) James Vince
(15) Michael Carberry
(19) Danny Briggs
(25) Chris Wood
(26) Matt Coles
(31) Adam Wheater
(32) Glenn Maxwell
(87) Kyle Abbott
Looks a very strong squad to me.
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Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2014 16:20
They are already here at the ground in the nets.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2014 17:01
Somerset will choose their team from the following squad:
V Hampshire T20
James Hildreth (Capt), George Dockrell, Chris Jones, Craig Kieswetter. Craig Meschede, Johann Myburgh, Dirk Nannes, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas, Pete Trego and Max Waller.
So Chris Jones comes into the squad.
V Hampshire T20
James Hildreth (Capt), George Dockrell, Chris Jones, Craig Kieswetter. Craig Meschede, Johann Myburgh, Dirk Nannes, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas, Pete Trego and Max Waller.
So Chris Jones comes into the squad.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2014 13:38
So far it's been more a case of, oh bigger, than Damon and blast. Still, if I were to pick one competition to struggle in.... I'm sure accountants won't agree though
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2014 13:54
They won't. But then how much of the gate is just people wanting to drink cider in the sunshine anyway?
Still, I suppose there is still prize money that SCCC will not be winning if there isn't a more or less immediate turn around in results.
Even then, though, with our teams not participating in the CLT20, there is more prize money available for the CC than for this stuff anyway.
Still, I suppose there is still prize money that SCCC will not be winning if there isn't a more or less immediate turn around in results.
Even then, though, with our teams not participating in the CLT20, there is more prize money available for the CC than for this stuff anyway.
Re: Damn or Blast? The T20 is upon us
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 16/06/2014 16:06
T20 round up on Cricinfo, including bits about Craig Kieswetter and James Hildreth
[www.espncricinfo.com]
[www.espncricinfo.com]
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