Lancs a lot CC1

By Grockle et al
June 29 2014

A slightly older Jos Buttler returns to his spiritual home for his first opposition based County Championship match. Many wish him well but not too well as he lines up against his old teammates. Lancs won the toss and took the decision out of our hands on a close and humid day by deciding to bat. No Tim Groenwald yet and Meschede loses out to the returning Gregory.

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A delayed start because of rain and a close grey morning with quite a lot of heat and humidity. Play got underway at 12:05 with Lanacashire winning the toss and deciding to bat. After Trent Bridge I think that was probably what Marcus would have asked them to do anyway.

The side is:

Trescothick, Jones, Compton, Petersen, Hildreth, Kieswetter, Trego, Gregory, Thomas, Overton C and Dockrell

No sign of Tim Groenwald as of yet and Craig Meschede loses out to the returning

Lewis Gregory on the basis of OK bowling and few fireworks with the bat. Gregory comes back after a decent time out with a hamstring problem. Alfonso Thomas also returns from his back issue. Chris Jones keeps his place courtesy of his second innings knock against Nottinghamshire.

Grey overcast skies on this Sunday witness Horton and Davies facing up to the opening attack of Alf from the OP and Lewis from the River. The ball is moving a little and Marcus is attacking with three slips and a backward point. The outfiled seems a little slow and after 8 overs the Lancastrians are on to 11 after 8 with Davies yet to get off the mark.

Pete is introduced at the OP, not his usual end, for the 10th and then replaced by Cove in the 15th. He has Davies wafting, trying to get out of the doldrums but it gets him nowhere and Lancs have only reached 30 by the 15th even though we would have liked some wickets given the help of the first hour. The rain that threatened seems to have gone away and we go past 1:00 in high cloud clear sky and warm sunshine.

Pete then changes ends and immediately has success as Davies bottom edges his first ball of the 16th into Alviro's hands at third slip. All he had to do was fall over and keep hold, which he did. Pete sprints back and kisses the crease at the River End and the visitors are 30 for 1 with Khawaja replacing the unhappy opener.

Pete is much more effective coming in from the River, he has Khawaja flashing outside off to a ball he can't get an edge on, Horton misses one going away and then snicks one thatfalls short of Hildreth at first slip. At the 20 over mark it has been a hard morning for the Red Rose batsmen who have moved the score on to a mere 36.

A morning that will probably go to the home side although we would have liked a little more in terms of batsmen back in the hutch. We go in with Lancs at 47 for 1 Horton on 25 and Khawaja at 9 and Craig Overton 5/2/10/0 with Pete the pick of the bowling on 6/1/10/1.

After lunch the pace shifted up a little and Lancashire had a sort of mini collapse as Thomas had Khawaja caught by Jones at mid on in the 25th just after the visitors had passed the 50 mark (51). Prince then stayed around for a little while but didn't do a lot until he was caught in front by Alf for 5 with the score on 71 in the 29th over.

Horton, who has managed only 90 runs in his last 8 innings, and Croft then set themselves to accumulate and they do so to 50 for Horton and over the 100 for their county until George Dockrell gets Croft sweeping. The man is through the shot before the ball arrives and it bounces more than he expected, gets a top edge and is caught behind by Craig Kieswetter.

112 for 4 ushers in Jos Buttler to a very generous round of applause at the end of the 48th over. He takes a single off the last ball and faces Pete at the start of the 49th. He gets one run and a working over from his former team mate. However Jos get his own back by depositing George into the CA in the next over.

At Tea, after 55 overs, Lancs have moved on to 130 for 4 with Buttler on 11 and Horton on 73.

After Tea, George opens the bowling and his 5th ball is deposited in the River (bounces between the Trescothick and Botham Stand and over the fence) by Jos. Alfonso starts from the OP and with Jos at the non striker's end Alf pretends to 'mankad' him with his first ball to the amusement of everyone in the ground, the players included.

Lancashire move towards the 150 slowly but Horton is once again missed by Hildreth at first slip off Trego once more. Some believe it was a straight drop but the commentators seem to think it dropped short once more. Hildreth has moved up a little aftet the first one dropped short. However Horton is still in and Lancs move to 149 after 61. The analyst at Lancashire states that the last one was a definite drop. The 150 arrives off Trigger in the 62nd.

Lewis stops the Buttler train with an excellent ball that removes his off stump at 165 for 5, 18 is enough for the crowd with a couple of sixes. That also happens to be LG's 50th first class wicket with hopefully many many more to come. In comes Smith.

Horton goes to 100 with a gifted boundary from George Dockrell which nearly also gave the Lancashire man Chris Jones' head in the short fielding position on the leg side. It came off 209 balls and included 16 fours. The man has worked very hard for that and his county must be grateful that he has because he is the bulk of their runs today.

Horton is now seeing the ball like a football and seems to be hoping to move the score along a little faster now with the help of Smith who is having a decent season. The big man has a couple of early scares but they shift towards 200. This comes in the 78th over.

Craig Overton is in need of a rest and struggles to the end of the phase before the new ball comes in and is given to Alfonso with the opposition on 214. We get 2 goes with this because we lost 9 overs so the new ball and 7 overs tonight and then another new ball tomorrow morning. Lewis has first go with it at the River and just as we are thinking it would be nice to see Horton on his way, there he is... on his way. Horton LBW to Gregory (seemed high and legside from here but we'll take it) for an excellent 140 off 256 balls and with 21 of the 24fours hit by Lancs today, one of the others was a 'Chinese cut' between the legs of Smith that he had no idea about. The man has carried his county today. Now if we could only open up the other end before the close of play!!

We hope for an Alfonso inswinging yorker to give us another wicket but it isn't to be at 221 for 6 off 87. White has 1 and Smith has 13. Thomas 17/6/27/2 and Gregory 20/8/39/2 . Very good bowling from our back two.

Day 2

The day starts with a minutes silence in memory of Brian Roe and Damien D'Olivera who both passed away over the weekend

With the 13th ball of the day Lewis Gregory gets Somerset's second morning off to a nice start when he has Smith LBW for 14 at 226. Once again the conditions are warm with low cloud. Alfonso opened the bowling with a solid first over.

Chapple is keen to get the score moving and comes in with intent, taking 14 runs off the next Gregory over to move Lancashire to 244 but before they can pass 250 Alfonso has White playing on and he is bowled for 13 at 249.

Chapple is dropped on 14 at 249 as the ball goes between a large gap between first and second slip from Pete Trego. The boundary takes the opposition over the 250 and the Lancs man then skies one safely to take himself to 20 and his county to 256.

At the start of the 103rd over with neither batsman looking in any trouble with any of the bowling, George is introduced from the River and has Hogg caught off his first ball at slip defending. 266 for 9. Kerrigan is the last man in and looked absolutely dead from the first ball to the third that dismissed him LBW. All out for 266.

A good 'solid' bowling performance, never letting the batting side settle and taking at regular intervals while Horton held his county together with just ovef half the runs. Now it is time to show that we can work with the same conditions and not crumble. A dodgy little session before lunch of about 40 minutes and then a second 'new' ball session afterwards.

Chapple opens from the River to Trescothick. A 'feisty' six balls with the possiblity of a legside 'strangle' with ball 4. Chapple half went up but the keeper didn't hold on to it. Hogg is the first bowler from the OP to Chris Jones.

The progress to and after lunch is slow and the batsmen had to be solid and wary as Chapple is no mean new ball bowler even into his 40's and there's always Kerrigan waiting to bamboozle you. Up to lunch it is slow, but it really had to be and they barely managed double figures. After lunch it was no better and it seemed inevitable that a batsman would fall when Jones was bowled by Chapple. Most Somerset supporters were simply grateful it wasn't the skipper. Many have questioned the ability of Chris Jones but he is usually out to a good or at least decent ball and this was no different.

Nick arrives and starts off in his supportive role and follows that unerringly, taking no chances and letting the Boss do any aggressive scoring that is required. When he is bowled by an excellent ball from Kerrigan he had faced 49 balls for the princely sum of 9 runs and we are 2 for 49. Alviro is the next man in taking up the same role but slightly more aggressively. He supports through the 50 and then helps MT through to a 50 off 144 balls with 8 fours and a scoreboard side flipped six. Tea arrives with Somerset at 91 for 2, Marcus on 50 and Alviro on 16.

Back after Tea and the first target of 100 is achieved almost immediately. The level of patience required to get anywhere in this game is unusually high and both the bowlers and the batsmen simply have to wait for things to progress because trying to force them does not seem to be ending well for either side. Somerset will be hopinig to assess their position at the end of today a significant distance towards the Lancashire first innings total with a significant number of wickets still standing. The visitors, of course, want the exact opposite. The pitch is really giving no indications asto how either side can achieve their particular objectives presently.

The attrition continues but Somerset stand up to it and Marcus finally turns the half into a full ton in 219 balls at 175. His 15 fours and 1 six century is not clapped at all by the Lancashire team who believed he was caught and bowled earlier in his innings though most in my vicinity believed it was pad only. Some may also have believed he was run out taking the quick single for his 50. But the umpire decided no in both cases and the hundred stands however much the opposition would like it to be otherwise. Alviro is presently two runs from his 50 as well and gets there at 183 with a boundary to Gimblett Hill. 116 balls with 6 fours and 1 six with 4 overs left this evening.

The day ends with Somerset at 193 for 2 with MT on 107 and AP on 57, a stand of 144 between them and a strong position to start Day 3.

Day 3

Morning cloud seems to be the order of the day again at the start of the second half of this match. The 200 comes up quite quickly (83.5 overs) and they seem to be looking to oush it on a bit because by the end of the next over they have moved on to 213.

Unfortunately Alviro gets one from Chapple that 'went through the top' loops up and is caught off an edge. Excessive bounce and very little he could do about it but a stand of 168 is just what the doctor ordered in 157 balls.

217 for 3 and Hildreth with something to say we hope. He gets a middle stump half volley first up and is off the mark with a boundary. Unfortunately his time at the crease is all too brief as he looks very good for a couple of overs and gets up to 10 before he is out to a pretty regulation LBW to Smith at 236 and wanders back to the dressing room with another disappointment for us and I am sure himself. One can only think that his place in the middle order is probably not as safe as it had been in the past. He has to stamp some authority in that middle section or make way for a younger man who may. Alex Barrow must be looking at that spot.

The plan must be now to pass the Lancs score and then consider a total to geet by Tea-ish. Unfortunately that is pushed forward when Marcus drives the wrong Smith ball and is caught by Croft at point for 128 one runs after the 250 has come up. That means Pete Trego is in a little earlier than anticipated. The plan may need a slight re-assessment at lunch if nothing else goes awry.

Something else does though as White is re-introduced and gets CK LBW with a low one that comes back and we are 288 for 6 10 minutes before lunch. Craig Overton and Pete Trego may decide the outcome of this game in the next couple of hours it they can survive to lunch even. Once more the middle order has not built particularly on an excellent start. From Alviro Petersen on, it is still something of a lottery and we end up too often hoping the tail will stay in with the one batsmen from 5 to 7 who can hang on by his fingernails and eke out another 80 or so.

Not to be as the Somerset innings develops in the all too predicatable way we have come to know and hate. Pete is ajudged LBW, a long way forward at 290 and we continue to stumble to a position of meciocrity from one of strength. Lewis is the next man in and we hope the tail may once again recover something that the lower middle order seems incapable of creating. We are lucky that Craig is dropped by Horton in the slips and Lewis is allowed to spank a shot to bring up the third batting point. Lunch arrives at 301 for 7.

Apologies for the loss of rich text, the editing system seems to have gone for the moment After lunch, Lewis looks good until he tries a little hard with one from White and puts it into Smiths hands for 25 at 327 for 8. A 100 run lead is looking unlikely as Alf joins Cove. But Craig has other ideas. In the 116th over he hits White for two fours at the start, he then hits Chapple for one two overs later before putting Kerrigan into the Botham twice in the 119th. Alf just keeps giving him the strike and he is making the CA Botham sweeper hate his job almost every over. Craig is also making our middle order look decidedly ordinary. He doesn't stop at 350, he doesn't stop at his own 50 and he is still going when we pass 400 with Alf on 18 and himself on 62. Presently the stand is 83 and the lead is looking significant at 144. Lancashire are struggling to deal with our Mighty 8th wicket partnership. It reaches 100 at 427 with Alf on 30 and Craig on 77. Tea comes with Somerset clapping in their pair off and Lancs wondering what the hell to do next. 437 for 8 Cove on 84 and Alf on 33. We all hope that Craig will keep it together. He does to get past his previous highest score of 87. He continues to record a new 8th wicket partnership beating the previous 121 by Merv Kitchen and Brian Langford of 121 in 1969. He brings up the 450 and then the 200 lead with himself on 99. Then Kerrigan one to spit, take the edge and go to Horton at first slip who holds on to a much more difficult shot than the one he dropped when Cove was on 5. 99 is all there is Craig and he walks off visibly upset and to an ovation from the crowd and both balconies. A partnership of 140 is not to be sneezed at. His time will come and today he has been the difference between the two sides. George rises to the occasion as well and punishes Kerrigan for his audacity in going around the wicket and taking Cove. He smacks him for a Botham Stand six second ball. I have to say I am personally surprised they sent GD out. They surely want a could of overs at the Lancs men tonight. The overs at them amount to just under 20 and though there are lots of oooohs and ahhhs there are no wickets and Lancs leave the field 59 for 0 with Khawaja on 14 and Davies on 38. The only incident was Horton ducking into a good bouncer from Alfonso and getting smacked on the side of the head. He left the field and will return sometime this morning should a wicket fall. Day 4 Starts with no windows editing facilities so apologies once again to those reading this live in one huge paragraph. The other problem is that there is no grey cloud cover or particular humidity for the first time in this game. It doesn't stop George getting excessive bounce with his first delivery. Alfonso starts from the OP end and we await the first hour's developments with dread and anticipation.

Lancs a lot CC1

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Date: 29/06/2014 12:32

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Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 17:01

Somerset have included Tim Groenewald in their squad, who has joined the county on loan until the end of the season from Derbyshire after which he will sign a three year contract.

The Somerset squad is- Marcus Trescothick (capt), James Hildreth (vice capt), Nick Compton, George Dockrell, Tim Groenewald, Chris Jones, Craig Kieswetter, Jack Leach, Craig Meschede, Craig Overton, Jamie Overton, Alviro Petersen, Alfonso Thomas and Pete Trego.

Lancashire squad: Glen Chapple (capt), Andrea Agathangelou, Jos Buttler, Steven Croft, Alex Davies, Kyle Hogg, Paul Horton, Kabir Ali, Simon Kerrigan, Ashwell Prince, Usman Khawaja, Tom Smith, Wayne White.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 18:00

Why on earth is Jamie O still in the squad?

Sorry, just seems more than a little daft?

Yes, Alf might not make it with his back but surely that's what TG is for?

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 18:03

I think this is the first time for a while that we've had two spinners in there.

Doubt we'd have deliberately prepared a turner with them having Kerrigan?

Perhaps GD is at risk of losing out due to the perceived increase in Jack Leach's batting ability?

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 18:04

Interesting to see how we go with this selection, top 7 assured to be the same I'd say.

Jove sadly I feel has zero chance, Leach more so but still practically none.

Cove deserves to keep his spot, so then 2 from Mesch, Alfie and Timmy G.

Alfie reportedly feels fine, but we are een to ensure scans are all clear before risking him.
Therefore I fully expect Mesch to keep his spot and Tim to debut.

Strong tail again with 8 mesch, 9 cove, 10 timmy g, 11 George.

Really need a competitive first day, to put last night and Notts day 1 behind us.
Im not greedy, 300-7 in either suit will do me, just need not to be out the game by tomorrow evening.

Hope and 100% sure Jos will get a great welcome tomorrow, at the same time I hope he drops everything and gets a king pair!!!

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 18:12

Quote:
AGod
Why on earth is Jamie O still in the squad?
Sorry, just seems more than a little daft?

Yes, Alf might not make it with his back but surely that's what TG is for?

Maybe it's psycological, keep him involved in the squad to up his confifence

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 18:54

Yep Jones' heroics in the second Trent Bridge innings may have put Craig Mechede's place at risk. Although his bowling is OK his batting hasn't exactly been turning heads.

George was rock solid at Nottingham. Pete could do what he did because he had faith in GD's defence. But Jack deserves his chance if he gets it.

(Sm72)

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 19:02

Jack has never let anyone down when he's played.

He and GD although both left arm spinners are different types of bowlers with GD's chief weapons being flight and bounce and Jack's being relentless accuracy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Jack replace Meschede to be honest. I don't think CM has really recovered bowling form since the side strain.

Pete and TG both have first-rate stamina and can bowl long spells and whilst I'm wary of Craig O's workload, he's certainly shown the ability to do a large volume of work in recent weeks.

Alf and Lewis should both hopefully be available for Uxbridge as well so if somebody needs a rest after this game, replacements could be on hand.

On the other hand, Meschede has a strong rep vs left-handers and I think Lancs have as many as 4 in their top 7?

Equally though that would be 4 guys needing to deal with rough outside off-stick vs spin..

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 28/06/2014 23:41

Quote:
Nailsea_Fizz
Quote:
AGod
Why on earth is Jamie O still in the squad?
Sorry, just seems more than a little daft?

Yes, Alf might not make it with his back but surely that's what TG is for?

Maybe it's psycological, keep him involved in the squad to up his confifence

My thoughts entirely, Nails.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 07:09

Hope they play 2 spinners and play Jove. After all they've got jos and we will need about 13 players anywAy. Is that not right?

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:03

Well, all being well, competition for seam bowling spots should be about to get quite lively. Assuming that Alf and LG are good to go for Uxbridge, then that will give us 6 people realistically in contention for four places with those two joining the four that are likely to play in this one.

Craig Overton has huge credit in the bank. And Pete has just made a ton.

So I've a feeling that Meschede will need a very good performance and TG an exceptional debut to hold off Lewis/Alf for next week.

But with a warm sunny (but not humid) day in the forecast and (whisper it) a largely dry forecast then one suspects that this will be a match which favours the batsmen rather heavily.

Ashwell Prince the most key wicket for us, you'd have to think as their most experienced batsman and one fresh off a huge score.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:03

no Lewis Gregory in the squad? I thought he was fit again.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:08

He is but quite a long lay-off and only one seconds game so makes sense to give him another week.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:09

Raining hard at the moment so might be a good day to bowl first

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:11

I'm sure WSM had his tongue firmly in his cheek but I hope that Jos makes a good score in a losing cause. I never want anyone to fail(G Batty excepted) and he is young man with a great potential

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:40

GM, I couldn't agree more.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 08:53

I suspect that he will score heavily as he's a man in form.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 09:13

Well I guess a little tongue in cheek but I support Somerset far more than I'd wish an ex player to do well.
I loved Jos for us, think he's Englands best 1 day batter by a country mile, and has the potential to be Priors long term replacement with time.
I'd be happy Jos got 2 hundreds in this game but only if we are guaranteed 24 points aswell.
So I maintain 2 ducks and several drops and i will not be very upset.

The next 3 games are huge, we have Lancs, Mid'x, Northants then a reasonable break.
We need 1 win at least to stay away from those bottom 3 spots, if we can get 2 wins we'll stay right in touch with the top spots ready for the run in.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 09:26

I'd take Kartik as an ex-player to fail, GM.

And, yep, WSM - I agree 1 win from 3 to keep us clear of 8th place, two wins to keep us in contention for first. That's how tight this league is!

These 3 games will set the tone as to whether we come back from the break chasing the holy grail or fretting about trouble.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 10:06

Big game for Chris Jones.

A couple of 50s (or one ton) in this one to follow the second dig at TB and he may then have a good shot at keeping Myburgh out of the team (or at least dragging James Hildreth into a 3 way fight for 2 places in the team.)

Big game for Meschede. Needs to show renewed bowling form or might get stuck with a spell in the seconds when Alf and Lewis come back.

With Lancs' official overseas player, their best batsman and their in-form all-rounder all being southpaws then it could be a big game for GD - a very important role for him to play bowling into the rough in their second dig, I'd fancy...

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 10:34

Raining in Taunton currently sad smiley

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 10:37

Raining hard in TA2. sUSPECT IT IS ONLY A SHOWER, BUT EQUALLY VERY MUCH DOUBT THEY WILL START ON TIME NOW EVEN IF IT STOPS.

Edit; Oooops, sorry for shouting!! Damn Caps lock!

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Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:21

The rain is coming down and the umpires are just going out to have a check on the covers. Dark and grey but it probably will be dry enough quite soon for a start about midday.

No toss yet no team news yet.

(Sm72)

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:23

Supposedly the scoreboard says Alf playing and Craig O not playing?

If so, I assume Craig O is simply being rested.

That would be a decision that i would support BUT he could have had an extra day of complete rest rather than Friday's stuff if he's tired.

And before anyone repeats that "it's only four overs in T20," I would argue that there is presumably specific training and preparation before each T20 match - nets, bowling, batting and fielding drills, maybe even general fitness type training etc.

We could simply have allowed the man to put his feet up after his unstinting effort at TB!

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:25

No team news either way so I would assume the team on your scoreboard is the one given in rather than the definite side.

(Sm72)

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:27

The idiotic Beeb site had warm sun all day in both the text description and the picture symbols.

On the actual radar they had some significant looking rain just to the West of Tiverton at 10AM. It's, presumably, that which is emptying from a great height in TA1.

Why don't they look at their own radar before putting up the symbols and the text?

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:50

My initial feeling is that's a good toss to lose!!

I imagine we'd have inserted had we won it, as it's still a bit cloudy and there should be the usual green start on the pitch.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 11:56

Our bowling attack will be our 5 leading wicket-takers this season....Thomas, Gregory, C.Overton, Trego and Dockrell.

One of the first matches all season we've been able to select from a position of strength rather than who is fit.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:00

And Gregory wasn't even in the squad according to our oh-so-reliable website!!

But yes, very strong attack on paper, although Lewis may well need to feel his way back in after the hammy. But very happy that we've got what would also be my first choice attack out onto the park!

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: doc h (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:13

Live event 10

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:18

Sounds like Lewis all over Davies so far. He hung around a lot at Old Trafford and I would like shot of him early.

Re: Jos Buttler returns to the County Ground

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:22

13 of the last 15 CC wins at Taunton have been won by the side that did not bat first.

That's not a great statistic from a cricket point of view because it does suggest that the track is flattening out all too frequently.

Might be a pretty good pointer for us in this current match, though!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:40

Rain still in the air and the ball is moving about a little for both bowlers. Davies has managed 1 in 9 overs and Horton is taking most of the balls. Gregory has nearly had him twice and they have managed 15 in 9.

There may be a little more wet stuff before the day settles down. Very warm and humid so you have to hope we make the most of it.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 12:40

Starting to get to "really need a breakthrough," time if one assumes that conditions will become easier as the day wears on.

Sounds like we've bowled decently but maybe the ball has done too much to catch an edge?

Notts and Middx still going great guns in their games.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 13:13

The ball hasn't done enough to be honest, though Pete is getting it moving away from Khawaja now. Davies went to a bottom edge that fired up into Alf's hands at 3rd slip.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 13:18

When's lunch?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 13:24

2.05 I'd guess?

I think at least 2, maybe 3 now have apparently been nicked short of Hildreth so the slips maybe need to move up?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 13:32

Well the first wasn't nicked and went to the fielder and the second which Horton did get bat on literally died at Hildreth's feet. Lunch has just been taken at 1:30. The third was a Khawaja flash which he also did not get bat on.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 14:12

Commentary seems to be broken?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 14:36

Thank you, Alfie!! Commentary back in time to hear Prince trapped in front of the timbers!!

Huge and much needed wicket as we try to get through them.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 14:58

Have to say that I don't really agree with the view here that seems to be that Anthony Gibson is some kind of star commentator.

Every time I hear him his basic premise seems to be that any match at Taunton is almost certain to be a "tedious draw as in the games with Yorkshire and Notts," and then he goes on about how (he thinks) we deliberately prepare flat tracks to neuter visiting attacks.

I think he comes in with the above pre-conception and seldom changes it through the course of a match unless and until it gets to the point where it's completely untenable.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 15:02

Regrettably, Horton seems to be playing to his full potential today.

I fear a century from him..

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Slow left (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 15:11

An opposition batsman has scored a 50, we're doomed!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 15:49

Well done, George/CK.

Jos in now.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 16:02

Croft gone and some bloke called Buttler in.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 16:39

And he needs to go, and quickly, or the day may take on a rather different complexion from a Somerset point of view...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 16:44

Alf's first ball with Jos at the non striker's involves Alf pretending to 'mankad' Buttler much to the amusement of one and all.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:00

Hilda drops Horton on 81 at 146. This time it did carry as James is standing up closer now.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:09

Sadly our slip catching has let us down at times this season sad smiley

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:13

Maybe James is now close enough for the ball to carry, but closer than you'd ideally like to make it catchable.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:21

Well Done Lewis! His 50th first-class wicket! And quite a big one!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:22

Gregory has just taken his 50th FC wicket (a rather important one); I am expecting at least 950 more in my lifetime.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:24

Lewis Gregory he's our man if he can't send Jos on his way no one can. Lovely ball, fooled JB and cartwheeled his off pole.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:27

I would have said that Hortan was the more important wicket at the moment.

Come on lads.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:35

I think Jos could have taken this innings away from us had he stayed in for a few hours. He scores fast, as we know!

I'd love Horton out as well, and we had a chance or two to dismiss him, but remember how Joyce held Sussex's first innings together in our last home match (again with a bit of help from our fielders behind the wicket) but in the end it didn't deny us victory.

By the way, Horton's last 8 CC innings have brought him only 90 runs. Typical he finds form today.

This is a good contest though and enjoyable cricket.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:42

Could have LB but didn't.

I think it is possible that Marcus Trescothick could take the game away from Lancashire sometime tomorrow if someone doesn't get him out quickly as well possibly. He scores fast as does Peter Trego and Craig Kieswetter when he keeps his head on.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 17:59

For those who remember him, it has just been mentioned that Brian Rowe passed away on Friday night.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 18:10

I am assuming you mean Brian Roe and not Brian Rose.

The former (always associated by me with Graham Atkinson) was a very energetic batsman whose hitting belied his slight frame. I can recall him hooking a ball out of The Oval, a triumph of perfect timing.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 18:26

Good to hear that Compton gave Horton a pat on the back as he made his way back to the pavilion. I suspect that Horton's innings was just the kind that Compton himself would like to have made.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 18:45

Probably LoL. Before my time and simply given a name I thought might be significant to some. Many apologies for not knowing how his surname was written. Definitely Roe not Rose.

A good day for Somerset. Kept at them and didn't let them get away. New ball tomorrow morning.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 18:54

Easy enough mistake if you didn't already know of the man.

Brian Roe
[en.wikipedia.org]
was another man who came from elsewhere but settled in the west country.

Much too soon for Brian Rose to leave us.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 19:32

The impression I got from the commentary was that the track was really slow, such that it wasn't easy to score if the ball was kept up to the bat.

Unusual scorecard with 140 and a next best score of 18. Sounded like a decent first bowl after injury from LG. Good on him.

We might need to hope track speeds up a bit so that run scoring is a bit easier when it's our turn.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 19:58

Very saddened to hear of the death of Brian ('Chico') Roe.

He always came across to me as a very amiable man, who had a very deep passion for the game.

As a batsman, he was very neat and I recall his extremely accurate throwing whilst fielding in the deep.

To his great credit, he put a good deal back into the game at club level after his First Class and Minor County playing days were behind him.

RIP.

[www.devoncricket.co.uk]

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 20:24

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa

Brian Roe was another man who came from elsewhere but settled in the west country.

My mistake: Roe was born in Cleethorpes but brought up in Barnstaple.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 21:21

It seems he was playing cricket in the leagues up to last year and most of the guys in the box who knew him reckoned he had probably played for every team in North Devon at some time or other. Known in later life however for playing for Braunton

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 21:48

1st days photos.

A good day bowling by Somerset, a few bad balls but not many, if there was any chances missed I don't know of them, I am unable to see out of shot while looking though the camera.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2014%20Somerset%20Cricket/LV%20County%20Cricket%202014/Somerset%20v%20Lancashshire%20starting%2029th%20June%202014/TomSmithapppealingforcatchbehind.jpg

Craig Kieswetter and Marcus Trescothick appealing for something while Tom Smith was batting.

Craig Kieswetter making a good stop on the leg side when a wide leg side ball was bowled to Paul Horton, although he didn't stop it cleanly he saves four byes.

Jos Buttler bowled by a good ball from Lewis Gregory.
When Jos came out to bat he was clapped almost to the pitch, and a good clap when he walk off.

Lewis Gregory in deep thought after bowling two off side wide balls one after the other that went for four runs.

Paul Horton hit Chris Jones on the head, thank goodness for helmets

This had the crowd and Alfonso Thomas smiling when Alfonso pretended to run out Jos Buttler for backing up at the none strikers end.

Paul Horton found out it can be painful if you miss the ball.

Before Jos Buttler was out he hit two big six's off George Dockrell.

Ashwell Prince lbw Alfonso Thomas.

This was not an easy catch by Chris Jones to dismiss Usman Khawaja off Alfonso Thomas.
Chris Jones saved a lot of runs in the field today.

Peter Trego must have just missed the bat of Usman Khawaja by the look of the arms raised in the air.

Usman Khawaja didn't look happy batting lucky for him the ball did not carrying to James Hildreth

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 21:55

Brilliant photos mike. The one of jos getting bowled is a gem!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 22:38

Great photos, Mike, which tell the story of the day (my first at HQ this season).

As Mike said, it was very good to witness the warm and prolonged applause which greeted Jos Buttler (and which accompanied his departure). AT's bit of by-play in pretending to warn JB for backing up was delivered in great good spirit (though I am not entirely sure that JB - who I got the impression found it a bit disconcerting to be batting against his erstwhile colleagues - was greatly amused).

The Lancashire supporting friend, with whom I watched today's play, said at the beginning of play that Horton has one main scoring shot - an extra-cover drive; and so it proved. While I don't usually favour boundary "sweepers", there might have been a case for posting a deep extra-cover to Horton.

All the bowlers plugged away and, with a modicum of luck, we might have made greater inroads.

I thought that Kieswetter kept well throughout, not least in catching Croft off a top-edged leg-side hoick off Dockrell.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 23:01

Enjoyable day after an unwanted delayed start.

On whole I thought we bowled superbly well, very dry and tight and deserved far more than we got. At least 8 if not 10 wickets would have been adequate rewards for our efforts today.

Excellent and expected warm reception for Jos, happy to give him 18 before Lewis shot him out, very amusing from Alfir trying to Mankad him. Not sure how close or not they were as team mates but it seemed to go down in good spirits when he gave him a hug.

Horton rode his luck but fair play, he was only one who looked comfortable all day. Still dislike the guy after an article he did many years ago after a loss to us, saying how they shouldn't be losing to small counties such as Somerset!

Need to get these last 4 by lunch and ideally under 300 and then get to work.
Reports of pitch being a bit slow, but if we get as predicted a sunny day then hopefully a baked wicket should help a prosperous day.....

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 23:04

Nice touch by the club in inviting Jos's parents to the match, they were made most welcome in the Long Room by members.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 23:33

Cricinfo from afar gave me a pleasant day on which we seemed to give nothing away. I would have been more than happy with that score at the start.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 29/06/2014 23:58

I had a chat with Jos's parents when I entered the ground, it was also nice to see Jos's sister and her children again.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 05:09

Great photo's again Mike.

Happily would have settled for that score at the start of play, so let's hope we can clear up the tail, then get some serious numbers on the board ourselves.

Grizzzly

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:03

Can somebody ask the commentators to turn their mikes on, please.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:05

Awful effort by the Beeb so far today - have not bothered to turn their mikes up.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:10

"awful", "not bothered" - bit strong for a technical error with no obvious cause that has now been solved.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:15

All loud and clear here in ta1 !
Good early wicket for Lewis.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:17

FC wickets so far this season (on the fall of Smith's wicket):

Thomas - 33; Gregory - 27; Trego - 27; C Overton 26.

Looks good to me.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:20

The commentators may very well not be aware of the technical issue, foldback in their headphones can be perfectly clear but the producer elsewhere may have made the error. Usually the people doing the talking have nothing to do with the technical aspects of the broadcast.

Good start this morning

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:40

White plays on to Alf at 249

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 11:46

Chapple becomes the second highest scorer of the innings!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:01

Batting does sound rather tricky unless the bowler drops short.

I don't think our reply will be an especially easy and comfortable one.

It sounds like there will be a need for real graft and patience. Possibly a day for Nick Compton, I would fancy.

The rest may have to largely rein in their instincts and bat in diligent fashion - operating on the basis of frustrating the bowlers so that they do then drop short.

Supposedly Horton thinks the track started extremely dry and will deteriorate. Any marked deterioration would be relatively unusual at Taunton. We will see..

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:02

But he was dropped on 14 as he snicked one for 4 between first and second slip who were standing too far apart and immediately moved closer afterwards.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:13

Hogg now out. Ct Tres, bd GD.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:15

All Out!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:16

George finishes them off in 4 balls. Hogg caught behind ball 1 and Kerrigan LBW for 0 ball 4. He could have been out to any of them.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:18

This sounds a very poor pitch, with Horton claiming it's difficult to bat on and LG apparently saying it was very difficult to bowl on.

BUT.. it just might produce a compelling piece of cricket.

With GD wrapping up their innings in a hurry, it does rather make one wonder how big a threat Kerrigan will be and, indeed, whether we might regret not having picked Leach as well as GD, come the Lancashire second dig...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Following on (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:19

Great to have rolled them over quickly this morning.
Did Kerrigan struggle because of excessive spin, or just because he's a number 11?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:21

Commentators suggesting plenty of turn.

They said yesterday that Horton never looked confident vs GD.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:58

Sky Sports News saying we picked up only 2 bowling points.
Surely an error?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 12:58

Six runs off eight overs ! We are certainly exercising due care !!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 13:24

Yes, FE, obviously an error, given that there were only 87 overs yesterday.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 13:33

I think this might be the most important single innings of our season thus far, and quite possibly the most tense.

If the pitch characteristics do not change markedly as the game goes on, then I would have thought we would not want to chase very many in the fourth innings of the match because if scoring remains difficult then any chase will take some time and the more time it takes, the more time there is for (psychological) pressure to build.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 13:40

I've now looked at yesterday's report and see that LG agrees with Horton that track is difficult to bat on as well as bowl on.

LG's comments about needing to "bore the batsmen out," seem spot on, on such a surface to me.

And so that's the game for this afternoon - a battle of concentration/focus and sheer bloody-minded will power as bowlers dry to bowl dry and get SCCC batsmen to lose focus and try and whack a ball that isn't there for the short and SCCC batsmen should be trying to meet every ball that's even roughly on the right line and length with exaggerated forward defensive strokes in the hope of exasperating the bowlers to the point where they start either dropping short or "experimenting," with experimentations that do not quite work.

Could be very, very compelling in an attritional and tense sort of way.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 13:45

64 overs after lunch.

I think I'd be very happy if we could close on 150 or so for three.

But there'd be some serious hard work involved to get there..

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 14:10

Jones bowled- Im shocked!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 14:17

Jones must get bowled for at least 60% of all of his dismissals?

It's extraordinary for a top order batsman to get castled so often.

Presumably he plays early and far out in front of his pads, meaning he's very susceptible to any late movement?

Most accomplished top order players, play the ball as late as possible.

Perhaps Jones would be more suited to batting lower down the order where late movement (from the pace bowlers) may be more infrequent.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:30:14:19:13 by AGod.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 14:36

Message to Palairet: I trust you can live with the news that a record held by you (or your brother) for over a hundred years as the highest individual FC run scorer at Taunton has just been exceeded by the great Trescothick. He's not the classical stylist you were, but I imagine he is loved just as much.

I had thought Gimblett might be quite high on this particular list, but Somerset played on a lot of out-grounds in his time.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 14:39

Although Tresco was rather busier with international commitments in his career than Gimblett was, which ought to at least somewhat cancel out any "outgrounds," effect.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 14:44

Don't forget that Gimblett lost six seasons to the war.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:13

Huge blow with Compton gone.

Hopefully AP will play in his "patient" mode today (sometimes he can do it, and sometimes he doesn't).

Really don't think this kind of track will suit either Hildreth or Kiewswetter, neither of whom are exactly renowned for their powers of concentration.

I have to say that, if we can avoid using this particular track again this season, then we will surely do so. (And maybe it might get dug up in the winter?)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:17

With this looking like a low scoring game, a quick 40 from someone will change the face especially if allied to a slow hundred from someone else

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:27

I trust, GM, that you will not allow that quick fifty to be scored by a player from the opposition. Didn't your mum tell you to be careful what you wish for?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:33

That's one way of looking at it, GM, and might suit a CK or a PT.

But personally, I think the team should be looking at a goal of trying to keep Lancs in the field for about 150 overs or so.

If we could score at an average of 2.5 runs per during said 150 over innings, that would get us as many as 375 runs. That would, surely, be a very much more than useful lead. So I think the patient approach should remain..

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Keith's Sweater (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:50

Most FC runs at County Ground, Taunton:

ME Trescothick	7274
LCH Palairet	7228
PM Roebuck	6414
H Gimblett	5669
IVA Richards	5631
JC Hildreth	5510
PD Bowler	5200
RJ Harden	4989
SMJ Woods	4674
FS Lee		4610
E Robson	4598
PB Wight	4573
BC Rose		4328
IT Botham	4145
LC Braund	4128
PR Johnson	4105
MJ Kitchen	4062
WE Alley	4001
GD Rose		3910
RT Virgin	3868
RJ Turner	3812
ID Blackwell	3806
JC White	3800
G Atkinson	3714
A Young		3687
MF Tremlett	3456
PW Denning	3428
M Burns		3380
J Daniell	3379
VJ Marks	3340
PD Trego	3334
RA Ingle	3290
MN Lathwell	3259
KA Parsons	3184
DB Close	3157
SJ Cook		3103
AV Suppiah	3088
AE Lewis	3082

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:51

I agree with the patient approach in general AG but still maintain that a quick 40(or more) from CK PT or CO would do nicely. And yes LoL, but I was only talking about this innings. A lead of 100 would go down very well, but we do have to have time to win.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:54

Re: the list of run-scorers:

Didn't Peter Bowler do well, considering that (if memory serves) he had a rather long tenure for Derbyshire before he came here. Indeed, I rather imagined that his career there was longer than his career here, but perhaps I've got that wrong.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 15:57

GM... the solution to this conundrum is, of course, obvious.

Tresco and AP should "simply," bat for the next 70 overs, whilst ticking along at 2.5 per over, setting up Pete to lead an onslaught against a tired attack afterwards, so that we still bat 150 overs but get even more than 375 runs, perhaps more like 450, leaving us with four sessions in which to bowl out Lancs for the win!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 16:01

Jones played late it seems and was beaten for pace as it jinked back a little Decent assessment of the man's career based on the guess AG. Shame it wasn't the way he went today.

What about Nick's place in the order? Wanna assess that on how you think he got out to Kerrigan?

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 16:11

It's going to be an attritional game this and difficult to predict until probably the end of play tonight. We probably need one big score and time to drag them out a second time. I doubt this pitch will produce a result if there have to be another two innings to decide it unless something happens in that dreaded third innings.

100 up for us.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 16:23

Here's hoping that Pete T will have moved above M Burns in the list by the end of or first innings

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Keith's Sweater (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 16:30

There's another landmark for Trescothick not so far away: at the time of typing (64*), he has an aggregate of 12,620 runs for Somerset in all forms of the game, which puts him just 52 behind the current record-holder, Peter Roebuck.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014:06:30:22:32:20 by Keith's Sweater.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 16:56

Grockle - regardless, Jones seems to me to get bowled an awful lot. There is, presumably, a reason why he seems to get bowled disproportionately often.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:09

Chapple and Hogg clearly back on, in harness, to try and dry everything up again and get a wicket by frustration. Important to get through to whoever they have to bowl in between this tandem spell and those two returning with the second new ball.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:32

TThankfully Marcus appears to have it in hand at the moment. Seems to have some idea what to do, he'll go far i reckon

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:37

Then you must be quite chuffed now, what with a century for Tresco!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:40

Fantastic from the boss again. Past it.. not a chance.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:40

Sorry, that was meant to be a response to AGod's earlier comment that he would be happy with 150/3 at the close.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:41

It's those new bionic ankles he's had fitted

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Slow left (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:48

I think I love Marcus.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SillyMidOn (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:54

This Trescothick chap seems quite good.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 17:57

Quote:
AGod
Grockle - regardless, Jones seems to me to get bowled an awful lot. There is, presumably, a reason why he seems to get bowled disproportionately often.

Is it 'disproportionate'? Have you done the extensive research? Has there nevef been an opener who was 'disproportionately' bowled? Is this agreed policy? Someone who is bowled a lot must move down the order?

It's not how he gets out surely but how many runs he scores before he does that will determine his place in the batting order if there is a place at all.

Your assessment of why he gets bowled seems flawed, maybe because you haven't seem him bowled that often, I'm happy to have the decision about his place in the order made by those who watch him live and their assessment of the reasons rather than your speculation which was incorrect in this game.

That was what I was replying to.

(Sm72)

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Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 18:10

This has been a very good solid performance from AP and the boss. Even at this rate we are ahead before lunch with 60 overs left to try to establish a large lead.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 18:10

Well I reckon that's an excellent day! Polished them off pretty quickly, then patience from CJ and NC to blunt their attack early doors, before AP and the boss cashed in. Proper county cricket.

Surprised to see 'stumps' on Cricinfo at 6pm - I'd got used to play dragging on till 6.30 - I guess a lot of spin today.

More of the same tomorrow, please.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: cricketharris (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 18:33

Six o'clock or 96 overs in the day if later. Today there were 97 by 6pm. In the circumstances one of the best afternoons cricket for a few seasons - probably.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 20:02

Well, Grockle, Jones has been bowled in each of his last three knocks, has he not? I'd suggest that that, in itself, is somewhat unusual.

Looking back at last season, Jones did not play that much but, in the home games with both Notts and Surrey, Jones was one of only two players to be bowled in each of those two matches, the others being Shahzad vs Notts and Meschede vs Surrey. He also seems to me to have been bowled quite frequently in the seconds this season.

Those that talk about batting claim that good players should not be bowled very often.

As to whether method of dismissal matters?

Well, it does in the obvious sense that if you are getting your pad in the way then you are leaving the umpire with a decision to make, whereas there is none if you are castled. Equally, if you habitually get your pads in behind the line of the ball then you have a second line of defence if you get an inside edge. Compared to batsmen who tend to nick to the slips or keeper, being prone to being bowled is also less advantageous because when you nick it then your opponent had to perform to get you out, by catching you.

His propensity to be bowled is one that I'll be keeping an eye on.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 20:07

As for today, unlike the moaners who e-mailed the Beeb team to complain about it or, indeed Anthony Gibson himself, I never doubted that batting with care and with the aim of patient accumulation was absolutely the right way to go about today.

Following that plan I think we did as well as could be expected, though there is surely still much hard graft ahead of us before we can seriously think about winning the match.

In past seasons, I suspect that we would have already managed to throw it away by trying to bat in the way that we'd prefer to play rather than the way in which conditions dictate we should.

So I think DN's mission to change the team batting culture is continuing to bear fruit.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 20:40

An absorbing day's play. We did bat with extreme care and the rate was little over 1 run per over for quite a while. Tres was magnificent - his defence was watchful and when the ball was there to hit (which the Lancs bowlers didn't do too often) he hit it.

He manipulated Kerrigan by driving for six and getting the field moved back so singles could be take. Compo was very patient too as you would expect but missed one that must have turned away from him. Alviro had his patient hat on but was always looking to unsettle the bowler which resulted in Jos donning the helmet and stading up to one of their quicks ?Smith?.

Very well placed but new ball due after 2 overs tomorrow. Need for another very patient session perhaps.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 20:48

Commentators said Jos stood up to Hogg.

Re:Compton they said that he played for turn that did not happen and was bowled by Kerrigan's arm ball.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 20:58

2nd days photos.

Some may not agree with me on this.
After finishing off Lancs I could understand Marcus Trescothick and Chris Jones not playing any shots before lunch but after lunch the same tactics were used, I could also understand not taking any chances but you must still play shots. We lost two wickets while playing like that, has soon as Alviro Petersen came in Marcus then started scoring runs and for the rest of the day both Marcus and Alviro built the innings up slowly and got us in a good position for tomorrow.

Before the play started for the day a one minutes silence was held for the sad news of Brian Roe and Damian D'Oliveira. RIP.

A good start to the day Wayne White bld Alfonso Thomas.

Kyle William Hogg getting an edge off George Dockrell.

And Marcus Trescothick taking an easy catch.

Chris Jones did play at this ball and was bowled by Glen Chapple.

And Glen Chapple was delighted.

Did Nick Compton play a shot I am not sure if he did, he was bowled by Simon Kerrigan.

Marcus did have one life that I remember, if you can see it the ball caught the edge of Marcus's bat near the top the slip fielder jumped for it and the ball went pasted his head to the boundary.

Once Marcus started playing shots he played some classic shots of old.

Alviro Petersen also played some very good shots.

What ever happened earlier in the day by the end of the day Marcus and Alviro got us in a very good position to build on it tomorrow.

Edit - corrected thanks to AG

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Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 21:02

Is it my imagination or has Jos Buttler cut something of an anonymous figure on his return to Taunton - despite that well-deserved warm welcome when he came out to bat on Sunday?

Several posters have said he took the joke `mankading` by Alfonso in good spirit, but to me it rather looked that `we were not amused`. Then, during his time at the wicket, Jos had the second lowest strike rate of the top six Lancashire batsmen (despite those two sixes from his 58 balls).

Keeping wicket, he has so far let through seven rather feeble byes and has obviously not taken on the role of some `keepers` of being the side`s gee-up man. This latter point may be because he is new to the Red Rose set-up, of course, and Glen Chapple did seem to come to him on a couple of occasions for advice about the Somerset batters.

Another strange aspect of Lancashire`s day was the relatively few overs allocated to Tom Smith, the third leading wicket-taker in the country so far this season with 40 - only four less than Saeed Ajmal for Worcestershire and two behind Jack Brooks of Yorkshire.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 21:09

Lack of Smith was indeed very strange.

Mike- huge thanks for the photos as always...p.s the southpaw nicking GD to MT was Kyle Hogg. Glen Chapple is right-handed at the crease.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 21:27

And has blond hair.

But lovely photos, nonetheless.

winking smiley

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 21:30

Ginger (greying) winking smiley

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 21:44

p.s the southpaw nicking GD to MT was Kyle Hogg. Glen Chapple is right-handed at the crease.

Thanks for that AG I will correct my photos, Glen Chapple was not out. Too much sun. moody smiley

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Keith's Sweater (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 22:27

Quote:
Keith's Sweater
There's another landmark for Trescothick not so far away: at the time of typing (64*), he has an aggregate of 12,620 runs for Somerset in all forms of the game, which puts him just 52 behind the current record-holder, Peter Roebuck.

Got this a bit wrong. Well, it's completely correct if you insert the words "in home matches". But that makes it a pretty tenuous claim, even by my trivial standards.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 22:34

Thanks, Mike, for the photos. I agree with your view of the day's play.

Thanks also to KS for a fascinating table.

cjm: you may have missed my comment yesterday "AT's bit of by-play in pretending to warn JB for backing up was delivered in great good spirit (though I am not entirely sure that JB - who I got the impression found it a bit disconcerting to be batting against his erstwhile colleagues - was greatly amused)."

MT wafted casually at his first ball (I wondered whether he was fully "switched on"). Once he got into his stride, he batted with authority and style - it was a pleasure to watch his innings and to see him reach a well-deserved century.

Re Compton, I agree with SJB - from where I was sitting, the ball seemed to turn and beat his outside edge. I will watch that particular highlight with interest.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 22:50

It sounded as though Kerrigan posed more problems when the ball was quite new.

Should we get into position to go for a win, then I wonder how new a ball GD is comfortable with?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 22:58

DN says that we would certainly aim to bat all day long tomorrow, if possible.

He also urges those still to come to 'learn from Tresco's knock,' and says they will need to 'get in the right frame of mind.'

That's a comment which does not appear to hint at DN thinking that the track will become any easier tomorrow.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 23:07

Re. Mike's photo.

"p.s the southpaw nicking GD to MT was Kyle Hogg. Glen Chapple is right-handed at the crease."

Is the batsman a left - hander?

His left hand appears to be at the top.

I may be wrong. It is late and I am weary.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 30/06/2014 23:36

Did you notice the numbers on their backs in the Hogg wickets.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 02:10

Sterling effort by Marcus again. I do enjoy this humble pie that he is making me eat this year !

Looking at the list of Taunton run-scorers (thanks to KS), the name that surprised me in terms of it's lofty attainment was James Hildreth, who is only around 1750 runs behind MT.

Given that he is only 29 years old, he must have an excellent chance of topping the list within a few seasons, albeit based on recent form, perhaps tomorrow would be a good time to re-launch his attack on that target !

Grizzzly

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 06:43

Me too, Grizzly.

My pie is so delicious that I can eat the whole thing in one!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 06:45

Yes, Mike, 22, 22 and 2!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 07:56

Perhaps Nos/Tres might have a re-think overnight?

If they think that the odds of taking 10 Lancs wkts tomorrow are unduly long then it logically follows that they would also think this an easy pitch to defend on.

In which case, they believe that we've already all but insured ourselves against defeat. If they thought along those lines then today could become about the pursuit of batting bonus points. As things stand we may get no more than 2 of them. If we want to push on for a third then any such decision would necessarily have to come early in the proceedings today, I'd think. We could probably play ourselves back in for 10 overs and then launch, I suppose.

Doubt any of that happens - only a consideration if they think that it's become hugely difficult to take wickets on this most turgid of pitches.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 08:52

The pitch is slow with unexpected high or low occasional bounce. It seems easy (ish) to defend on the back foot. But difficult to get away good length deliveries.

Some say it is quite dry and likely to become more uneven and take more spin. If we can bat all dayish and post a good lead we could see George having a profitable day tomorrow.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 09:22

Yes, AG - Kerrigan certainly looked more potent when the ball was newish (as did all the bowlers).

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 09:55

And if Marcus survives then he will get 20 overs or so against a new ball this morning with which to inform his decision regarding the rest of this match.

If Marcus personally witnesses the new ball doing very, very little this morning then he may form the view that a draw is all but inevitable, especially as Kerrigan is likely to also get a bowl within the first 20 overs with that new ball, so Marcus will have seen both pace and spin at first-hand and with the new ball by the time he decides whether there's a case for a 10-12 over thrash in search of an extra batting point, versus the other possible objectives of trying to bat all day (which seemed to be DN's preference when he spoke to the official site last night) or, perhaps, pushing on with a view to declaring at tea. The only thing that MT would be missing would be the clairvoyance to know exactly how the track might play with a new ball tomorrow.

On reflection, I think that unless the track has changed markedly overnight, then I would probably favour batting normally until the 100 over mark, by which time the scores might hopefully be more or less level with us plenty of wickets in hand. At that point, I'd make a dash for the third batting bonus point. That would take us up to lunch. If, contrary to expectations, attacking on this track is something that does actually work for us, then we could then carry on thrashing it for another hour or so after lunch and then maybe look to get them in before tea.

My thinking is basically that if we get to the 100 over mark in this innings, then with only 5 and a bit sessions left and the scores more or less level with us wickets in hand, then only one side could really lose the game from there and it would not be us. That's unless the pitch has changed markedly and become difficult to defend on in which case the right strategy is obviously just bat, and bat and bat.

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Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 10:30

How could Marcus possibly be missing any clairvoyance when you're around to help him, AG?

Bat on, bat all day if they allow, get as many as you can...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 11:26

Reports I read suggested George was getting a better bounce as he was taller than
Kerrigan. He certainly came on and polished off the tail nicely so could be all set up for him to win the match tomorrow. I think we are just a better bowling unit than Lancs, full stop.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 11:35

Moved on to 213 this morning, same cloud cover as last 2 days but a little closer than yesterday.

George was getting a lot of bounce in the four deliveries he actually managed to bowl yesterday. So on the basis of that it must be most definitely his game (Sm101)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 11:44

Alviro gets one that 'went through the top' bounced high, took an edge and looped to the slip cordon. Nothing he could have done about that. Not something the Lancs batsman will be happy seeing though. In the next over there is one that almost rolls along the ground.

Interesting times at Taunton.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 11:51

This Roebuck stat - I assume it is at Taunton and not everywhere Because the Mighty one has just gone past it but he's scored a hell of a lot more runs than 12620.

(Sm72)

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Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 11:57

Hildreth regulation LBW for 10. Disappointing as it is far too often.

(Sm72)

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Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:00

The commentators claimed that AP's ball was well wide of the stumps. If so, then he could have done something about it, i.e not essayed a shot in the first place.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:01

It's almost entirely predictable that Hildreth comes in, hits a few fours and then gets out promptly after at the moment. He's almost in the rut that Tres was in last year.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Following on (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:01

Lancashire CCC are posting videos of the fall of wickets on their twitter feed. The ball did look quite wide.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:02

Yes, Tumbles, if there is uneven bounce from straight balls (as opposed to just from the rough) then we have two bowlers, in Craig O and GD who might be better placed to extract it than anyone in the Lancashire ranks.

It sounds like there are a few flat-out grubbers creeping in to things.

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Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:06

Predictable from Hildreth Im afriad. Dropped catched no runs, Barrow must be looking like getting a run in the team shortly or must wonder why/what hes done to be dropped when looking at Hildreths form.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:14

I thought a ball that 'went through the top' was a ball doing something totally unexpected. Everyone in the box took an intake of breath - most of them long term cricketers or watchers.

What a shame that Alviro didn't have the nanosecond reactions to change his shot on the basis of the ball doing something totally unexpected on hitting the pitch and leave a ball that HIT his bat rather than him HITTING the ball. He probably was leaving it before it did what he couldn't have predicted - well he hasn't got your skill has he?

(Sm151)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:14

Quote:
Tumbles
It's almost entirely predictable that Hildreth comes in, hits a few fours and then gets out promptly after at the moment. He's almost in the rut that Tres was in last year.

The problem is that Hildreth spent LAST YEAR in that rut as well.

So, really, he's up to just over 1.5 seasons of not really pulling his weight from a runs point of view. A period of 26 CC matches (by the end of this one) of under-performance.

As Ronnie says, Alex Barrow must surely be in with a shout of being given a chance.

Either that, or if SCCC persist with Jones, then Hildreth must, surely, be under threat from Myburgh's return?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:29

Well time for CK & PT to blast us a bit of a lead.

Not complaining but why have Lancs only now starting using Smith..

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:33

They seemed to be far more interested in Wayne White yesterday. More bounce perhaps? He is a bit of a unit.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:35

CK takes us into the lead with a well run 3

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:42

Yes, I can only imagine that they thought that White might get more bounce out of the track yesterday.

I hope we get that third batting bonus point here- would be quite pleased with that as an outcome.

I suppose one way to look at this game is that only three men have made more than 27 on this track, and 2 of those guys are/were Test batsmen.

And of those three men, at least two of them (Tres and Horton) were dropped during their knocks.

It seems highly probable that with the track being so slow, then there's no way we could afford to drop any chances at all, of those that we manage to generate, and still expect to have enough time to win.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:43

Smith is now the highest wicket taker in CC1 it seems.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:45

He is, which is partly why it was so odd that he bowled so little yesterday.

And Old Trafford is not exactly a track that is usually loaded in favour of the seamer, either.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:48

CK gone to a low ball that came back LBW to White 288 for 6. Trigger.........

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:51

Clearly no real possibility of just batting out the day and time now.

Pete's started positively and will no doubt try to continue in that manner.

If we can get a lead of, say, 50 with the third batting bonus point as well then that's still a fair overall effort with the bat, I'd say.

And then it sounds like "bowl wicket to wicket," for all the seamers and hope for grubbers and more lbw decisions like the ones vs JH and CK, whilst GD will operate into the rough to Khawaja, Prince and (if we get that far) Smith.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:53

Spitter at Pete they just said from Kerrigan?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:55

Might not get 300 at this rate.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:57

Nope, may well not do with Pete gone.

If there really is lots of help for Kerrigan today, then one wonders how positive Lancs might attempt to be in their second dig... i.e. will they think that if they could set us even 150, then they might beat us? I'm not suggesting they would declare with 150 lead, of course.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:57

Trigger LBW a long way forward 5 to 7 collapse once more. So sadly predictable. 290 for 7.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 12:59

Grockle - how much do you think it's conditions lying behind this particular collapse of 5 to 7?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 13:04

Good, we DO get the three batting bonus points.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 13:57

I did Hildreth out of a CC match as he missed one game on paternity leave, or waiting with his partner for the baby, or whatever the case was.

However, 25 CC games (rather than 26) of underwhelming performance is still an issue.

Ideally, Somerset would have sufficient competition for places, that such a long run of not doing much would never happen, for the simple reason that a “first team guy,” would get dropped well before the run had got to 25 games.

That hasn’t happened yet. It remains the case that guys like Barrow and Jones do not really seem to be seen by management as true options to compete on a level basis with the “established first team players,” but rather they only tend to get introduced when somebody is either injured or away on international duty.

But, frankly, if we’re going to have guys like Barrow and Jones in the squad then they have to be considered as legitimate alternatives to first-team guys when first-team guys are not in form, otherwise they’re only filling one of the functions of a squad player (that is they are providing cover but not meaningful competition).

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:09

Useful runs these, we really do bat all the way down to 10-11 with this side.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:11

Supposedly, DN told Anthony Gibson that he asked the groundsman to prepare a particularly dry wicket.

If that's the case, you wonder why they did not also select Jack Leach?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:28

But who would they have left out.?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:33

Lead now over 100.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:33

A N Other seamer, one assumes.

Obvious candidates would have been either Craig O on the grounds that he has had a heavy bowling workload recently and is one season removed from the stress fracture so could possibly have used a rest or Lewis G on the basis of giving him another week to come back after his hammy. Presumably, we'd received Alf's scan result before the game so that wouldn't have been a consideration.

Having said that, Kerrigan has not got much out of it, figures wise. But maybe he's just not on song.

We'll see what George D can do and, indeed, what our seamers can do second time around.

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Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:40

Looks lime they made the right decision so far on team selection judging by the current score.

Keep it going craig.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: brt1919 (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:50

Crikey, at this rate they can pick Craig as a batsmen & give Hildreth a rest or a game in the 2nds!

Have we got time to win this?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:50

The conditions on this pitch have probably had something to do with most of the dismissals.

Pete was unlucky and probably victim of an umpires' trigger finger. He seemed a long way down

Craig K played across the line and missed it.

James was just in front and didn't hit it.

Alviro's was a spitter

Craig is putting any spinner from the River end to the sword.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:52

Quote:
Grockle
Trigger LBW a long way forward 5 to 7 collapse once more. So sadly predictable. 290 for 7.

Which now makes something just over 100 for 1

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 14:55

Quote:
Tumbles
Might not get 300 at this rate.

400 now up!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:09

some talented guys in our team Lewis, COVE, and Mesch. And Jove when he gets it right. Hildreth has to be vulnerable.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:09

Marvelous

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: brt1919 (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:14

Scrap my earlier question of have we time to win this, the way Cove is going we won't even need to bat again....

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:15

Lancs are struggling to find an answer to our number 8. Good to see. Alf playing an excellent back up role.

Jos not having a great day behind the stumps, especially standing up.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:22

Quote:
Grockle
Lancs are struggling to find an answer to our number 8. Good to see. Alf playing an excellent back up role.
Jos not having a great day behind the stumps, especially standing up.

Indeed. Not only is Cove at number 8 ahead of LG, but, as you say, Alf is clearly (today) playing a back-up role.

Jos (Bless) has conceded 20 byes.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:22

Which I suppose was Giles's point about Jos... more experience behind timbers needed.

He's still wrong to imply to Jos that he's only going to get in to the England set-up as a keeper, though.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:44

I've been thinking for a while that we might start playing all of Cove, Mesch, Trigger and Lewis at the expense of one of the batsmen. Mesch looks a bit out of form with bat and ball since his injury though.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:49

Blimey - an afternoon beyond our wildest dreams. Of course, some of the numbskulls on facebook still not happy, but really really impressive today - hope we can force a win...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:55

I've just come in from interminable meetings and the day has brightened up considerably. I 'm even thinking of 3 Lancs wickets down tonight, or is that too hopeful. If we can get Notts 0 for 2 why not Lancs. Keep going Craig (with ball or bat -don't mind)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 15:57

I'd think we should declare soon and get them in?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:06

Quote:
AGod
I'd think we should declare soon and get them in?

Agreed, but surely give Cove a chance to get his maiden century first.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:08

Nope - get what we can - everyone seems to think it'll be even harder to bat on this pitch tomorrow...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:19

Quote:
SheptonPaul
Nope - get what we can - everyone seems to think it'll be even harder to bat on this pitch tomorrow...

The lead is already 180+.

Cove's 100 would surely take this to 200ish and leave an hour or so to bowl this evening.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:20

Make them get us out.
Demoralise them as much as possible.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:25

Quote:
Frome Exile
Make them get us out.
Demoralise them as much as possible.

200 behind.
100 for our no.8 batsmen as part of a 100 plus 9th wicket partnership must be somewhat demoralising - especially if allied to a few wickets down before close of play.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:28

This partnership is the highest against Lancashire. Beating Merv Kitchen and Brian Lanford's 121 from 1969.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:28

130+ 9th wicket partnership is all the demoralising they need.. plus lets protect Georges fingers eh.. last thing we want is him going out and hit.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:29

At this rate, Chapple will have to start to worry about whether or not to take the third new ball of the innings!

I'm not sure, SP, about the theory of it being more difficult to bat on this the longer this goes. It sounds as though batting has got progressively easier today? That's what the commentators reckon anyway.

I'd say it looks like it may be new ball or bust from a seam bowling point of view. But even for George it may be that his best chance is within the first 35 overs or so.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:32

200 lead with Craig on 99!!

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:33

Craig is well caught left handed (Horton) 99!!

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:35

Cricket is a bit harsh at times :-(

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:35

No!!! So who wrote of our new no. 8 getting 100...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:36

Nice six, George!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:37

Gutted.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:37

What a shame Well played young Cove. If he wants to vent his frustration Mr Horton's wicket makes a lovely target!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:39

Cracking effort from Cove.

Oh for 1 more run for him though !

Grizzzly

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Phrench Phil (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:41

Quote:
SheptonPaul
No!!! So who wrote of our new no. 8 getting 100...

Sorry. I'm afraid it was me, and I had it all worked out.

A 100 for Cove, a 200 lead, a few wickets before close and....

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:47

He'll forgive you one day Phil...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:48

Personally surprised they sent George out but the six second ball got Kerrigan back. Kerrigan went around the wicket, the ball spat a bit and took the edge and Horton took a harder catch than the one he dropped when Cove was on 5.

Craig's day will come. Thommo has gone to 50 by the way.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:49

Well that's it, and I'm quite glad as want to be bowling now.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:51

Lets have them 3 down at Stumps.. I'd give Craig the new ball myself, especially after what he did at Trent Bridge.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:53

AT caught at deep midwicket. 218 ahead.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:56

Excellent day so far but lets be honest - if Alf can get a 50 on this track then batting can't be that difficult.

Please explain why batting tomorrow will be more difficult - hope I am proved wrong but see this as a nailed on draw unless the weather changes !

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Slow left (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:58

Because Somerset bowlers will be against Lancashire batsmen, rather than vice versa.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 16:59

Maybe we are just a better team, who bowled and batted better than Lancs?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 17:03

Well, we'll see, Rodders.

Batting did not sound even remotely difficult in that session.

Perhaps this is going to be one of those games when batting is most difficult in the first session of the day?

Lancs seemed to find it tricky on both day one and day two with the bat and we seemed to find it tricky this morning with the bat.

I think we probably need to get as many as five wickets within the first 35 overs or so with the new ball to have serious victory hopes... and even then I suspect we'd still need to get a couple of wickets with the second new ball to finish the job.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 17:16

Alf made 50 because Craig was one of the ONLY batsmen to make this pitch look easy and he was with him. Don't denigrate Alfonso's ability as a batsman or as a batsman against a tired attack either. His 50 only included 3 fours and came of well over 100 balls so it was by no means easy.

If anything it simply identifies Alf kept to the task in front of him while others were frustrated out by the difficulty of scoring.

The pitch was also harder in the morning (tomorrow starts in the morning). We do have to get them out but the fact that a batsman with just under 4000 first class runs and a high score of 119 not out gets a slow and studied 50 doesn't really suggest batting is easy.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 17:20

Horton retired hurt.. well its a bonus of sorts I guess.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 17:21

Horton giving a lot of lip to Overton and then gets a cracking bouncer from Alf which he completely misreads and which smacks him on the side of the helmet. Mr Horton retires hurt for this evening one would assume.

At least 5 near misses in the first 5 overs not including Horton's misjudged duck into a bouncer.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 18:10

End of Day 3. Lancs are 59 for 0 with Khawaja on 14 and Davies on 38. Horton retired hurt during the third over.

Loads of cries of OOO and AAHHH in that phase of play but no wickets. The first phase tomorrow may decide what happens to this one. Could be a long day.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 18:53

Seems strange that Cove never bowled - that being the case Grocks why was Horton giving him lip ?

Still think a draw is the most likely outcome sadly but well done the lads for a good day's cricket.

And why did AP bowl in that situation ?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 19:44

AP bowling does make me wonder whether MT was rather wishing he had JL available.

Yes, there was a left-hander in but, even so, for AP to be ahead of CO and PT with the ball...

Still, if this match is a draw and that is surely the favourite, then I think the one thing that we'll look back on that *could* have made a difference is us not being 100 percent in the field in their first dig. Horton was dropped on 81 and I recall the commentary saying that George dropped Davies very early on in their innings. So, possibly, had those two chances been taken, we may have wrapped up Lancs up for 80-90 fewer runs in their first dig (meaning they'd stay behind for longer in their second dig) and we may have had them back in to bat a good 30 or so overs earlier, giving us an extra 30 overs to get the job done with the ball.

Other issues from today, such as the failures of 5 and 6 to make a score will probably not ultimately make any difference to this result as, even if they'd got in, they would surely have scored no more quickly than Craig Overton anyway.

I'd think we'll need to bowl brilliantly and catch everything to be in with a shout of forcing the win tomorrow. Apart from anything else, they've not even scored slowly tonight so, if we maintain similar fields, then unless they lose a bit of a flurry of wickets, then it would seem unlikely that they will be behind for most of the day, meaning we'd need time to bat again anyway.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 19:53

Not sure with a day to go and a side 160ish ahead that a draw is somehow the 'favourite' result.

It'll make the Lancashire staff and press really happy to hear this, they think this is a lost cause.

A draw is certainly possible but it surely isn't 'favourite' until about lunchtime tomorrow.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 20:38

If Lancs "staff" members really think this is a lost cause then it may prove to be exactly that for them.

But as it took them nearly 4.5 sessions to bowl us out and after they got through tonight without loss (Horton will, surely, be back tomorrow?) then I cannot see a good reason for them to believe that they are likely to lose.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 20:39

Obviosly Jos Buttler may well have the opportunity to play a match-saving innings for Lancashire tomorrow. But there is no doubting that behind the wicket today he wasn`t just average. He was very poor.

Twenty-four byes speak for themselves, but he also missed three stumping opportunities (only one of them down the legside) that had Simon Kerrigan tearing his hair out, and dropped Cove off occasional off-spinner Steven Croft as the Somerset man was accelerating passed the 50 mark.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 20:46

So his move to lancs to keep wicket is a great success then?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 20:51

Well, his agent, Neil Fairbrother will, one assumes, judge that in somewhat narrower terms:

a) How soon will he get into the Test set-up?

and

b) How profitable has the move been?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 21:23

3rd days photos.

A good day watching cricket for Somerset supporters.
I have had a hard time picking photos today to post, some days are better for photographers than others.

Alviro Petersen hitting four runs this was the 150 partnership between him and Marcus.

A very good catch by Jos Buttler to dismiss Alviro Petersen off the bowling of Glen Chapple.

The next two photos are very similar dismissals.

James Hildreth lbw Tom Smith.

Craig Kieswetter playing a very similar shot out lbw Wyne White.

A lovely innings by Marcus Trescothick ended with this shot, caught Steven Croft bld Tom Smith.

A short but sweet innings by Peter Trego this powerful shot going for a six.

Alfonso know how to bowl a yorkers and he knows how to keep one out.

Craig Overton takes the headline today this shot took him past his previous best score of 86.

When you are so young it must be hard when you get so close to getting your maiden 100.
Craig Overton can only watch as Paul Horton catches the ball off the bowling of Simon Kerrigan for 99.

Alfonso Thomas scoring four runs and reaching his fifty.

Paul Horton makes the same mistake of ducking into and turning his back on a ball from Alfonso Thomas,
he did not carry on batting and left the ground. I hope he is okay.

A batsman who keeps making the same mistake is Alex Davies in both innings he has been hit where it hurt by Alfonso Thomas.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 21:45

I made the comment about expecting the pitch to be harder to bat on tomorrow simply because comments I'd read on here from day one, and to some extent day two, gave the impression that it started dry and dusty, was taking some noticeable turn on day one, and somebody (Nos? Gibson?) said that Kerrigan would be tough to master on day four. Also, comments have been made that balls were keeping low or spitting up on days 2 and 3. Yes, it may flatten and deaden even further - but it may not.

I suspect AP bowled this evening because it was turning and GD was on the other end - ie worth a try.

Re. other comments above: it is extremely rare for any team to take ALL their chances and for ALL their batsmen to contribute in any given game. We may like our team to be playing at 100% for every moment of the season but, believe me, it won't happen. All we can ask is that they give of their best, and that it proves to be better than any other county's players gave over the course of the whole season.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 21:48

Another really good day, great to see this fight again, Notts apart, various batters keep standing up to get us out of any trouble we get ourselves into.

Tres as I've always said is a class act. That's 3 tons this year, to go with 4 50's, an average of over 50, 700 runs in the bank, trust the doubters will lay of him now, until next week at least!!!

Craig was superb yet again, what a talent, huge disappointment all around the ground when he was out, at least 5/10 seconds silence in sadness of him missing out before he dragged himself off.

I'm hugely positive for tomorrow.
This year Lancs have on the whole batted poorly.
There was enough in those first 6-8 overs that could easily have got us a wicket or 2.
Obviously the morning is key, realistically we need to have 3 at least by lunch, probably 4 to stay in the hunt.
Flip it over and how positive would we be? They'll need to bat well past tea to save this, even a chase of 100 of 12 or something would be gettable with a fair wind.
If we can get 170-4 at lunch, 280-8 at tea, something like that it could get interesting.

Another morning like day 3 v Sussex will do nicely.....

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 22:01

I think I'll go with you WSM until I see and hour at least tomorrow. GD got spin on Monday and Kerrigan was a handful to everyone but Craig who simply smacked him.

Have to agree about Jos standing up today Kerrigan must have been frantic, but I doubt he has had that long with the keeper and we all remember Craig having problems with Chawla early on last year. But it still wasn't a great performance and JB himself looked down at times.

The one thing it will show if Jos does get the Test call is that selectors take no notice of Championship cricket because the Lancs 'staff' were also commenting on his keeping last week. (I'm referring to the Lancs press officer and their local press boys who follow this lot week in and out plus a couple of their data boys in the box - the press box has been crammed this week).

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 22:05

I don't believe SP that it is "extremely rare," for a team to take all of its catches in a given innings. It might not be extremely common, but that's not the same as it being extremely rare.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 22:10

You'll have to ask Horton when you get the chance Rodders to get an answer to your question. Craig was fielding at mid off and Horton was sometimes at the non striker's end in his three overs and it seems he felt the need to converse with our player in a mildy aggressive way.

AP bowled one over to allow George Dockrell to change from the OP to the River End. He then bowled the last over to vary things I suppose. He didn't cause any problems or give away any real runs so I wouldn't read too much into his use at that time of the day.

As most of the people who were there have intimated. The conditions tomorrow morning might very well decide the nature of this game but I wouldn't put all your money on a draw just yet if I was you. 90 odd overs on this pitch is a very long time.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 22:52

Well unlike the Lancs media staff, one guy who spent a fair amount of time batting on the track was Craig Overton. He says he's expecting a little bit of turn but that, otherwise, it will be a lot of hard work on a flat deck and that we'll have to try to 'bore them out.'

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 23:12

Most has been said already, but a few observations:

- Cove looks a proper batsman. If he had his time again, perhaps he would have played a less flamboyant drive to the ball he received on 99
- LG also looks a good batsman. We must have the best 7-11 in the country
- Petersen got a ball which seemed to fly; and MT one which seemed to stop
- the Somerset bowlers (particularly LG against Davies) were unlucky. There were several edged boundaries
- several balls kept very low. There must be a chance that this will happen more frequently as the pitch wears.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 01/07/2014 23:15

Well obviously Craig is right and the people who have watched Lancashire bat all season have no idea what they are talking about. At least I think that is your implication AG

Do you just have some pathological need to be absolutely right? Is it impossible for you to look at another perspective without trying to simply disprove it because you don't necessarily agree.

Craig is here, so are these 'media' people (sorry are their opinions less because they are 'media' people or because they see things differently to your 'armchair' view?). They both know things and tomorrow will be what it becomes. It may go your way but guess what... it might just not.

Have a go at living with the possibility that your paper assessment and what you've heard Anthony Gibson tell you might be trumped by the actual conditions on the ground on a day that hasn't started yet.

Take a chance. Let reality make the decision in real time

(Sm130)

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Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 00:05

If a spinner's wicket is prepared and we only pick one spinner, is there a lack of communication somewhere?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Roger Sweet (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 00:57

I am surprised that nobody has commented on the 2 runs that Craig should have received when Davies "stopped" a boundary shot when he was clearly in contact with the boundary rope. Everyone in the Tres stand saw it quite clearly. Although Davies is a young professional, the onus was on him to admit that it was a boundary. Should his conscience return overnight, do the laws allow an adjustment to be made on the following day so that Craig is recorded as being out for 101??????

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 06:36

I doubt it but he should be roundly booed, Batty style, for his very poor sportsmanship.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 06:50

Grockle - nothing to do with Gibson, most of his stuff is twaddle, IMO.

But it is, nevertheless, true that we very rarely see marked deterioration of tracks at Taunton as a match progresses. If we did then it would not be the case that only 2 of the last 15 wins at Taunton went to the side that batted first. The stat implies that things tend to get easier.

And events so far in this match suggest that taking wickets with the old ball is not a remotely easy thing to do. We're already 17 overs into this ome so may only have 15-20 overs of any kind of shine left on the ball to do damage with this cherry. Then we'd have 40 or so overs of toil before getting one more blast with a new cherry after tea.

Obviously from all reports some balls are keeping low but they don't necessarily seem to be taking vast amounts of wickets, the grubbers. One reason is probably that, since the very start of this match, there have been a number of edges that have dropped short of the slips.

So, we're likely to need a lorry load of wickets this morning and a few after tea to have any significant chance of winning. Every chance, I'd guess of taking zero or only one wicket in the second session of the day when the ball will be 49 overs old at the start of the session.

So, if we want to prove the Lancs' media people right then I'd say that we'll need at least 5 wickets in the morning session against a team that may set itself purely to defend.

But if Craig O is right then Lancs would have to be utter duffers to get 'bored out,' on a day where they have zero need to chase runs.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 07:30

Today is an important day. We have to take 10 wickets in 96 overs. Lancs do not have to take chances. Application, skill and luck will all play their part. If at tea there are 5 wickets down, remember that we only need 5 balls, and no one would have expected Alf to get 4 in 4 against Sussex. My only problem is that I'm in Newcastle and I wish I were in Taunton. if we have a run chase I would back us to get 70 in 10 overs.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 08:01

We still owe them for 11-3, get at em lads.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 08:23

Most of the ball that are keeping low are outside the off stump (LH) that I have seen, I should think it is from the bowlers follow through. There has been dust when the ball has pitched on a good length.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 08:49

I heard yesterday that it is not so much that they have specifically prepared a pitch that would turn a lot (personally I think that if they were to do so then Lancashire, who have one of the highest wicket-taking spinners in the country, along with anything up to 3 other potential spinners they could include in their squad, are not the opposition to pick for it), but more the effect of the Rod Stewart concert when the ground staff were unable to water the square for several days before the event and now a couple of weeks down the line this is having a knock-on effect with the pitch drying out sooner than would have been expected.

If we win this match, maybe we should get Rod Stewart to prepare more pitches in the future

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 10:30

Mike - yes, that was what the radio guys were suggesting. And that would make sense, because if the ball was grubbing from straight then one would have thought that there would be a clatter of wickets at regular intervals (lbw or bowled).

When they said this, I thought to myself that, against the left-handers it would probably pay us to try to bowl round the wicket to them, and from wide on the crease - trying to angle the ball into them whilst landing the cherry in the rough outside their off-sticks. Such an approach might produce the odd on-target grubber to Khawaja, Prince, Smith and Hogg.

If the low bounce is occurring overwhelmingly in the follow-throughs, then it's less easy to see how that will aid us vs the right-handers unless, as Craig O suggested, they get bored (in which case they might do something stupid and bottom edge one into their stumps or something).

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 10:42

But, even if we do win this match, I don't think that we would ever want to produce such a slow dirge of a pitch again.

I'd love to see us produce turners if there was a bit of pace and bounce in the tracks.

But I think this sort of pitch makes life harder for both batsmen and, especially, bowlers than one would ideally like.

Also, from a spectator point of view, the sort of day that the game featured on Day Two is not necessarily for everyone - as may have been indicated by the number of whingers that contacted the Beeb to complain about it.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Little Bird (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 10:46

We can really only properly judge a 4 day match when it's over and I'm looking forward to today, while anxiously following events at Edgbaston too where there seems certain to be a result, hopefully a home win.

Another 'enjoyable' day yesterday in which one again we showed what character and depth we have.

Whether CO hit 99 or 100 was almost immaterial except for the record books, his innings was excellent and changed the course of the match for us. Well Done!

With the excellent form shown by our lower order most of the season, if the powers that be are looking to fit TG into this side, I wonder if Hildy could be dropped to accomodate him? He's not having the best of seasons sadly.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:01

Welcome to Day 4. For those hoping, the conditions this morning are less conducive to swing than in Days 1 to 3. Wispy cloud and dry warmth rather than the humidity of earlier in the match.

Let's see how the first hour goes and re-assess at 12 shall we?

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:02

They never, ever drop one of the anointed first-team batsmen from the CC, Little Bird, so I would not hold your breath on that one!!

As for TG? He will have to work his way in with some exceptional second-team performances as far as 2014 CC1 is concerned, IMO. Either that or wait for injuries to give him his chance.

If Alf retires from red-ball cricket at the end of the season (he considered it last season) then TG may be in pole position to get that spot in the first XI for 2015.

The signing of TG is probably more about Alf and SK being near the end and needing an extra bowler in the squad going forward than about an injection of somebody who will be a huge influence on this CC season, IMO.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:11

Especially bearing in mind that TG was originally signed for next season, and it's only because Derbyshire decided to get him off the payroll early that we have him on board now.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:12

Yes.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:19

Davies gone, edged behind to CK 65 for 1 from Alf

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:26

I notice Prince has come in not Horton. Is that to do with time off pitch or do we know if he will only bat if needed?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:34

Seems he can't play for 40 minutes and also has a 'bit of a headache'.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:36

And a large bump on the back of his head, apparently.

Irrespective of the ball not having got up as much as expected, if the bump is on the back of his head, it shows a rather poor technique - i.e. that he must have stopped watching the ball relatively early in proceedings!!

Perhaps, if he does come out, we should give him a few more bouncers...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:43

Tight first from Cove at the OP and Khawaja is not enjoying facing George.

Seems Horton got it just under the sidepanel mostly rather than turning his back on it so smacked him somewhere behind the ear sort of. He kind of ducked into it.

(Sm72)

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014:07:02:11:50:39 by Grockle.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 11:59

33 overs into this new ball and only the one wicket, so I'd say that leaves us, almost certainly, needing something very dramatic indeed to happen with the second new ball for us to get anywhere.

Apparently, DH has said this track is more Galle than Taunton.... conditions with which most English players (both batsmen and bowler) will be really unfamiliar.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 12:06

Well the hour is up and you have to say that NOW indications are that it will be a long day. The humidity and movement Somerset were hoping for is not there and although there is spin in the pitch.....

George is certainly getting something but we don't have Jack as well (except as 12th man occasionally) and Craig is also asking questions but there is no real pressure to push the score along so no reason to gamble on anything. 17 overs in the first hour and 26 runs in the same time.

Need something special and that bit of luck to get this game moving anywhere.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 12:09

Craig misses stumping Prince on 5. He went up the pitch and got enough body on it for it to fly up out of CK's hand. By the time it was back in there Prince was back in the crease but it has to go down as a missed opportunity. 90 for 1

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 12:25

We simply do not have bowlers experienced enough in "Sri Lankan," type conditions to be able to expect to take 10 wickets in a day on the sort of track that it sounds like this has become.*

It's not the bowlers' fault and not a criticism of them.

It sounds like we have been bowling well enough to make batsmen look uncomfortable.

But when a pitch is deathly slow then it's difficult for all concerned - batsmen (to score quickly but, sadly, not to simply survive), bowlers (to take wickets) and Captains (to set fields for alien conditions).

* Maybe if we had Murali, Vaas, and Malinga playing and at their best then we might be able to get through Lancs on this pitch!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 12:53

Trego will come on when its too late and take two wickets.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 13:00

Funnily enough that has just been mentioned here as well. Khawaja has just been dropped by Craig Overton on the CA boundary. High spiralling ball he got 2 hands to. But George gets him 3 balls later bat padding to the close fielder. Khawaja out for 60 137 for 2.

Well done GD, Khawaja has struggled against him all day.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 13:52

Well done, GD/CK.

If there's one Lancs man you'd put money on to, temperamentally, be well suited to just blocking all day, it would have been Prince, but it sounds like GD has drawn him down the track with a clever piece of bowling?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Following on (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 13:53

Cricinfo as an interesting take on the dismissal "stumped Thomas!"

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 13:56

Multi-skilled, our Alfie!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 14:17

Very poor from Jos by the sounds!!

Good for us though.

Sounded a good catch by CK.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Following on (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 14:25

Not a very happy home coming for Jos - 22 runs scored 24 byes conceded and just the one catch.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 14:33

CK took a diving two handed catch for Jos. Then Thommo sent Smith on his way and Horton is now there.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 14:41

If anyone has bowlers of the quality of Malinga, Vaas and Murali available at the moment, can they send them down to Taunton please. I'd happily take all of them irrespective of the conditions. I assume we are talking about them in their prime and not as they now are?

If this was 'sri lankan' conditions the only attack that would be useful would be one full of spinners with a couple of seamers to add some variety.

However the seam suggests we have a 'Vaas' possibly. Another wicket before Tea would add a bit of interest, especially if it was Horton (who nearly ducked into another one in his second over facing Thommo).

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:00

We need to make the second new ball telling, if we do it's ours to lose.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:06

It is long and arduous work. They have now tried Trigger at least and will have to bat again to win this one. They need to say goodbye to Horton before Tea to have any real chance you get the feeling.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:08

At least one and hopefully 2wickets by tea wouldhelp the cake digest.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:15

What a compelling session of cricket I've missed.

With just the one wicket before lunch, and having been assured nothing signifucant could possibly happen between overs 48 and 80, I chose to pay the game no more attention.

How Gall(e)ing!!!!

winking smiley

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:19

Yep, Tumbles, all hanging on the new ball.

I would think we've done very well to get as many wickets as we have done in this afternoon session.

I think the key question (or rather key answer) might be the one to the question that MT will presumably ask GD:

"How soon would you feel comfortable bowling, in terms of the age of the new ball?"

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:19

It has been a phase sort of game all the way through FE. Nothing happens then a flurry then nothing happens. I'm hoping for another flurry either side of Tea involving some 5 wickets. 200 up we will have to bat again to win it.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:33

Alf takes the new ball.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:34

Come, on Alfie!!!!!!!!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 15:43

Tea and no real change.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 16:15

Magnificent figures for Alf, given the circumstances of hot day, painfully slow track etc.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 16:22

George back on for 8th over with the new ball...

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 16:54

As I thought a draw - might as well shake hands now. Great shame if as posted making money from a music contest cost us a victory or even the Holy Grail !

Lousy track after the first morning for either discipline it would seem.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 17:03

And that is your lot. 251 for 5 and the draw is agreed.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 17:08

Yes, Rodders, not a good track at all. Bad for strokemakers (unless, I suppose your name happened be Craig Overton) and less than helpful for pace bowlers. Some turn, but too slow to get many people out.

The sort of track that does little for the game, IMO.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 17:57

If Kentish Townie were to resurface to announce that "Taunton is Killing Cricket", I might for the first time be inclined, rather sadly, to agree with him.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: rodders (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 18:36

Well LoL I am not KT but I think based on this match Taunton is not doing a lot to make the four day game vibrant and spectator friendly !

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 18:39

So would I LoL, but unlike you, not for the first time.

I saw the first session today, but by then had had enough. The pitch was painfully slow with some balls from Thomas first thing this morning bouncing twice before reaching Craig Kieswetter behind the sticks.

Some times I sensed a lack of urgency from our players, almost as if they had the foregone conclusion that the game was drifting towards the inevitable boring draw.

Good bowling from George who asked a lot of questions from the batsmen. A couple of missed opportunities as have already been detailed.

We didn't succeed in "boring the Lancashire batsmen out", but it certainly did as far as some spectators were concerned.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 19:24

Slow pitches are, in general, a problem I think in this great game of ours. This may have been a particularly bad example in the slowness stakes but there are far too many pitches on the slow side in world cricket in general - for example, in the West Indies.

I understand the point about the Rod Stewart gig and this specific pitch.

But, more generally, we should probably expect a lot of slow pitches in the South of England this summer, due to the incredibly wet winter that the South experienced.

This pitch was ultra-slow because it was too dry, but a good many others will be slow, I would imagine, because the sub soil will have been absolutely sodden in the winter.

In amongst all the many ECB grants that are doled out to Counties for training facilities, spectator facilities, drainage etc, I would suggest that maybe there should be (if there isn't already) money specifically for work on squares with an ECB mandated aim of "more pace and bounce."

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 19:31

I'd think that the main message that DN might take from this game is that we perhaps need to sharpen up our catching.

As I suggested yesterday, a couple of chances that went down in their first dig could have made a difference in terms of giving us a bigger lead (making it less likely that we'd have to bat again) and maybe creating another 30-35 overs in which we could be bowling at the back end of the game.

I'm aware, also, that the odd chance was missed today including, I believe, a stumping.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 19:48

Tresco says that the past couple of pitches that we had produced were ideal, giving help to both seamer and spinner and being good for batting on.

In a slight under-statement, he says that we "didn't quite get the prepartion of this one right."

I'm not quite sure that I understand why the square could not be watered at all in the days leading up to the Rod Stewart thing? Is it simply that they would worry that if we slightly over-watered it, then we'd end up with indentations from music spectators?

Or was it the case that there was a whole load of electrical equipment dumped on the ground for days before the actual gig?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 19:53

4th day photos.

Although wickets were slow coming today we did begin to take wickets so it look like we had a chance of winning, then as the bowlers tired the pitch became the winner not Somerset.

How Ashwell Prince survived for so long I do not know! he was living a charmed life going down the pitch to George Dockrell. Several of my photos feature him.

Alex Davies was first to go caught Craig Kieswetter bld Alfonso Thomas with the score on 65.

Usman Khawaja kept his foot in the crease with Craig Kieswetter removing one bail trying to stump him.

Even Usman Khawaja started going down the pitch Chris Jones couldn't get the ball back to Craig Kieswetter in time for a stumping.

Ashwell Prince, at times it was hard for both wicketkeepers stood up to the stumps on this pitch, this went for four byes.

Next is three photos in sequence.

Ashwell Prince advancing down the pitch to George Dockrell.

The ball went up into the air off Ashwell Princes pad, Craig Kieswetter is watching the ball above his head.

Craig manage to grab hold of the ball but by then Ashwell is back into his crease.

Everybody was watching the ball to see if it was going to roll onto Usman Khawaja stumps.

Finally Ashwell Prince went down the pitch once to often and was stumped by Craig Kieswetter off the bowling of George Dockrell

Two photos.

Tom Smith was caught by Craig Kieswetter off Alfonso Thomas.

And everybody celebrates.

At the end of the match nobody celebrated, we were surprised so many stayed to the end. I wonder how the umpires will mark this pitch??

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 19:58

Brilliant as always, MIke, thank you.

I would think that the pitch would be graded as "below average"?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 20:34

When one can't get to many matches, it's a real pleasure to have Mike's splendid photos to look at.

On a point of information... Mike writes above:

Even Usman Khawaja started going down the pitch Chris Jones couldn't get the ball back to Craig Kieswetter in time for a stumping.

If Jones had got the ball back in time, it would surely been a run-out and not a stumping.

But that hardly spoils the vibrancy of the photograph!

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 20:51

CK absolutely demolished the stumps on the Prince stumping!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 21:11

Is it LoL!! I will not edit it so your post makes sense.

I can see you are correct.

so if the ball happens to bounce off a close fielder into Kieswetter's hands he than removes the bails that is a run-out?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 21:28

As I understand it, only the wicket-keeper can touch the ball before a stumping.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 22:16

Quite right, LoL.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 22:27

I know he is.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 22:33

Re-name the dreaded thread:

"Rod Stewart is killing Cricket".............

Discuss !

Grizzzly

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 22:36

Well, that's three of us (including me) who think I'm right and I agree with the other two, though I await a ruling from Professor Bobstan.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 22:39

Quote:
Grizzzly

"Rod Stewart is killing Cricket".............

Grizzzly

Given what's he's already done to singing, he's on the verge of becoming a serial killer.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 23:01

why is the concert getting the blame?

The equipment was all gone from the ground on Saturday 21st eight days before this match started, there were water sprinklers going on the Saturday.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 23:14

Bagpuss had reported that we were unable to water the square for several days due to the concert?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 02/07/2014 23:39

Had all the catches and mis-stumpings been made in this game it would have been an interesting one.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 00:16

I blame Mick Jagger.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: North Berwick John (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 05:19

Nah, it wos that first dissonant chord in Tristan and Isolde that started the rot. Wagner killed cricket!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 07:48

44-14-94-6 for Alf. Brilliant figures!

I see Chapple claims that 'earlier in the match we'd have fancied ourselves to win.'

Looks an odd comment to me unless, perhaps, he means that he fancied them when they won the toss or, possibly, before our first innings started?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 08:02

Prof. Bobstan says: "I agree with all of you. You're all wonderful, wonderful people."

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 08:45

Talking of wicketkeepers - Craig let through 10 byes in the two Lancs innings and Jos 24 byes in the one Somerset innings.

It was certainly a difficult wicket to keep on esp. up to the wicket which makes Craig's work commendable in my eyes!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 08:48

Just read on the other site that Tres thinks Alviro took a couple of wickets in the Lancs second dig.

Someone has been out in the sun too long!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 08:58

I read that John, also the club said Lancs got 7 points and they got 9, it also says Lancs declared at Five that is not correct both captain would have agreed on a draw.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 09:07

One only has to look at the standard of grammar and typographical errors on the majority of reports that appear on the Somerset CCC official site, to begin to question most of the comments made thereon.

My English teacher at school many, many years ago would have his red pen working overtime had any of his pupils submitted such poor work.

Perhaps Trescothick was reported accurately as mixing up Alviro with Thomas, but the result was still the same.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 09:44

I agree CP.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 09:53

There was one moment of apparent prescience from Craig Kieswetter. At the end of one over from Alfonso Thomas, CK had been standing up when Croft was batting. At the beginning of the next AT over, when Jos Buttler was facing, CK stood back. There then followed a long- range discussion between bowler and 'keeper about where CK would stand, which CK concluded by saying he might nick one. The very next ball, Buttler nicked one - and Kiewetter took a good diving catch in front of first slip.

I agree with SJB and Mike that CK kept well throughout the match in difficult conditions.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 10:21

Apologies for the end of the report on here. I gave up trying to write it on Day 4 after the windows editing facility on the SN admin package decided to refuse to load at the end of Day 3. When they get it sorted I'll finish off the report and sort out any grammatical stuff there. Damn difficult to do in html and when you are looking at a single block of text.

I thought CK held up well in the conditions, especially standing up when the bounce was distinctly variable. The missed stumping was not taken well by members of the press but it did deviate off Prince's body and Craig did have to actually get hold of the ball before he could do anything with it.

How has Craig been keeping? The press in general yesterday were not complimentary though I saw little wrong with the Somerset man's standard I have to say

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Angell Face (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 11:16

I thought he kept pretty well in the Lancs first innings, didn't see the second. Not easy on that wicket. If the replacement for Prior came down to a choice between Kieswetter and Buttler I know who I'd pick. Only comment I'd make is that I sometimes think he stands a yard or two too far back. Don't like to see a keeper take too many balls round his toes.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 11:22

The slips were certainly too far back in Lancs' first innings.

There is also the change between James and Marcus now where Marcus has moved to second slip. That didn't work at all well. I'm not sure whether it is because the understanding that Craig has probably worked out with his skipper over the years has to be reacquired with James or not but there seemed some uncertainty about where first slip should stand and which chances the two fielders should go for.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 12:56

Just seen on Sky Sports News that Alfonso has been given three penalty points for "throwing a ball at or near an opponent". Was that in this match?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:02

seems to be FE

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:06

Yes, it was in the Lancashire game, FE.

"Thomas was reported by umpires Rob Bailey and Peter Hartley during Somerset’s LV= County Championship match against Lancashire on 29th June – 2nd July 2014 for a Level Two breach of the code (throwing a ball at or near a player, umpire or official in an inappropriate and dangerous manner). The penalty for this offence is three penalty points.

This penalty will remain on his record for a period of two years and the accumulation of nine or more penalty points in any two year period will result in an automatic suspension."

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:09

I saw that incident and think it is a harsh penalty.

The Fonz collected the drive and instantly threw it back at the wicket (perhaps thinking the batter would have left his ground in playing the shot). Yes it hit he batters pads - but he was in front of his stumps (or thereabouts).

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:10

Yes, it was on Tuesday evening (he hit Davies on the pads, when throwing the ball at the stumps when Davies hit the ball back to him)shortly before Horton ducked into a bouncer. I heard (but can't vouch for it) that Thomas had been annoyed by words aimed at him by Davies and Horton when Thomas had been batting.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:16

Marcus our captain is in danger of a ban if we are not careful.

Isn't it five players reported over a two year period that the captain gets a ban?

I can think of three times I hope there are not more.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:19

It happened just before Horton got hit.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 13:32

Quote:
Sloop John B
Just read on the other site that Tres thinks Alviro took a couple of wickets in the Lancs second dig.
Someone has been out in the sun too long!!

Nice work if you can get! Spend most of the day off the field having a massage or a cold drink or watchhing the cricket with your feet in an ice bucket and your Captain comes away thinking if you've been bowling the oppo out!!

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 14:14

Quote:
Grockle
The slips were certainly too far back in Lancs' first innings.
There is also the change between James and Marcus now where Marcus has moved to second slip. That didn't work at all well. I'm not sure whether it is because the understanding that Craig has probably worked out with his skipper over the years has to be reacquired with James or not but there seemed some uncertainty about where first slip should stand and which chances the two fielders should go for.

James has been fielding first slip to the quicks for a number of years now. To my knowledge Marcus tends to be the first slip when the spinners are on.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 16:14

He wasn't first slip at all during this game or the Notts game.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 19:43

Who was at first slip then ?

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 19:57

One or two of Mike's photographs of yesterday's play appeared to indicate that JH was fielding at first slip, and I thought that he was too when I was watching.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 20:12

He has been for the last two seasons 95% of the time.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 20:14

In one of the photos, CK appears to be almost taking the ball off the top of JH's boot. MT barely in shot. Pretty obvious that Hildreth was first slip when CK took that catch.

Re: Lancs a lot CC1

Posted by: Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)

Date: 03/07/2014 20:59

Marcus has also been putting the pads and Box on and fielding at Silly Mid On, or Short Leg, if Jones has not been in the team with James in the slips.

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