An Air Of Permanence Lancs CC1 Day 1


By Farmer White et al
January 18 2023

Farmer covers the game against Lancashire at Southport in July of our County campaign of 2022. We see for the first time the Lewis Goldsworthy/James Rew partnership in a CC1 game - Remember this date. Things have changed.

County Championship 2022. Division 1. Lancashire v Somerset. 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July. Southport.

Tom Abell, Tom Banton, Craig Overton and Will Smeed were unavailable for selection due to being on England Lions duty. Jack Leach was unavailable due to being rested following his recent Test match duties. James Rew made his Championship debut in this match. Amar Virdi was on loan from Surrey to Somerset for this match.

Lancashire. K.K. Jennings, L.W.P. Wells, S.J. Croft, D.J. Vilas (c)(w), J.J. Bohannon, R.P. Jones, G.P. Balderson, L. Wood, T.E. Bailey, W.S.A. Williams, J.P. Morley.

Somerset. M.T. Renshaw, S.M. Davies (w), T.A. Lammonby, G.A. Bartlett, L.P. Goldsworthy, J.E.K. Rew, L. Gregory, R.E. van der Merwe, P.M. Siddle (c), J.A. Brooks, G.S. Virdi.

Toss. Somerset. Elected to bat.

First day 11th July – An air of permanence

If you keep your wits about you, watching cricket at Southport is a pleasant, relaxing business. Mobile phones and live stream cameras aside, it could be Clarence Park half a century ago. Southport beach too could be Weston. Looking out to sea with the tide out, it is difficult to differentiate shoreline from skyline. Cars parked on the beach too, although I don’t recall seeing cars doing handbrake turns on Weston beach in the Seventies. It is quite a walk from my hotel to the beach and the best part of two miles from hotel to ground, all of it up hill. That was quite a stride in the searing heat of the first day with a backpack filled with fluids (they would have been called drinks in the Seventies) and food. One lesson was learned very quickly. Walk on the shady side of the street. Shade was in plentiful supply courtesy of the high hedges and trees which adorn the garden fronts of the expansive houses which line the walk from Southport to the Trafalgar Road ground of Southport and Birkdale Cricket Club.

Trafalgar Road is a club ground with a substantial clubhouse, and for a Championship match endless rows of folding seats sufficient to accommodate a crowd, by my estimate, in excess of two thousand. As at most out grounds the elements have free reign. Shade is virtually non-existent and covered seating entirely non-existent. Arriving half an hour before the start, I found a tablecloth-size patch of shade behind the boundary which abuts the Dover Road. It was under the only treetop between the ground and the high-flying sun and had been annexed by a group of Somerset supporters sporting smiles of relaxed satisfaction.

This was where the application of wit came into its own. Looking almost vertically to check the location of the sun, the lessons learned as a schoolboy astronomer still coming in useful, I calculated its path across the sky and spotted a high privet hedge at the edge of one of the gardens which run along the Harrod Drive End. I concluded that if I moved one of the collapsible chairs right back against the slightly curved hedge, within half an hour it might provide the same sort of continuous protection from the sun as that provided by the wall behind the back row of seats on Gimblett’s Hill at Taunton. That spot I annexed on behalf of Somerset, for the sun was now producing the heat of a furnace.

By eleven o’clock the ground was teeming with people, either already in seats or looking for them. People walked behind or in front of the rows of seats seeking out the diminishing number of empty ones. At half past eleven people were still pouring into the ground with empty seats now at a premium. The sun, despite a thin covering of hazy white cloud, continued to beat down with unremitting ferocity. By then, Somerset had won the toss, elected to bat on a wicket showing some green and had lost two wickets, both to the early movement of the right arm pace of Tom Bailey. Of Somerset’s left-handed openining pair, Steven Davies had edged defensively into the hands of Rob Jones diving low to his right at second slip, and Matthew Renshaw, also defensively, had repeated the stroke, this time edging low to Jones’ left. Somerset found themselves on 16 for 2, their travelling supporters experiencing the sinking pangs of déjà vu while Lancashire employed four slips. A tense quiet covered the ground with Lancashire on the cusp of a decisive advantage and Somerset needing to shore up after another dispiriting start. 

Out of that Somerset despond Tom Lammonby, in from the fall of Davies’ wicket, shone a shaft of light. After shoring up for eight overs, scoring just one run, he drove both Bailey and Williams straight for four. “Well done, Lammers,” the relieved response from among the Somerset support. When George Balderson replaced Bailey at the Grosvenor Road End, George Bartlett, with the crispest of clips through midwicket, found the clubhouse boundary. The stroke had all the freedom that marks Bartlett’s batting when he is in form and, added to Lammonby’s effortless drives, began to kindle a spark of hope in Somerset’s travelling supporters.

As the pair settled, they picked up the pace. The left-handed Lammonby turned Balderson behind square to the boundary where the applauding group of Somerset supporters who had annexed the spot under the tree sat. In Balderson’s next over, Bartlett glanced to the Harrod Drive End and drove square off the back foot for four more, taking Somerset to the relative riches of 54 for 2. From there, against Luke Wood’s left arm pace, Lammonby glanced fine and clipped square for two more boundaries. The gentlest and most beautifully timed straight drive from Bartlett off Wood raced to the Harrod Drive End. It took Somerset into the 70’s and towards the prospect of a substantial score. It brought Somerset cheers, particularly from the Grosvenor Road End, and a cry of, “Shot!” from the Harrod Drive End together with one wry comment of, “There isn’t much cheering from this end.”  

That changed when, with his second ball, from the Harrod Drive End, the 21-year-old Jack Morley, with his left arm spin, tossed up a delivery and yorked Bartlett who looked deceived as he desperately tried to get his bat down. Bartlett had looked confident and in control for his 27, and with about 20 minutes to go until lunch Somerset looked to have overcome their early setbacks. Now, the innings was back in the melting pot. Lewis Goldsworthy, with a young history of digging in, announced himself with a sharp square cut which ran into the hospitality area next to the clubhouse where it was fielded one-handed by someone holding firmly to a half-full glass of golden nectar with the other hand. That took Somerset to 89 for 3 and lunch with Lancashire holding some advantage. There was now little sign of assistance for the bowlers, although one Lancashire supporter gave some hope to Somerset when he said, “I don’t remember a match here going into a fourth day.”  

Lunch was a trip back in time, wandering the freedom of an out ground. Not unlike Weston in the Seventies, although I don’t recall Weston ever being quite as hot as Southport was on this day. The sheer necessity of wearing my wide-brimmed wyvern hat outweighed the symbolism of doing so. The relaxation of a lunchtime walk across the outfield of a first-class cricket ground, especially in the unregulated informality of an out ground, has to be experienced to be appreciated. It was particularly appreciated by the Somerset supporters I spoke to as we ambled, because it has been a pleasure denied them during the first part of this season at Taunton, much to the chagrin of many. The Taunton outfield was re-seeded during the winter and the grass is not considered established enough for, “ a couple of hundred people in soft-soled shoes to have a gentle walk at lunch.” At least that is how many supporters have expressed their feelings about it to me. There is, no doubt, professional logic to the suspension of access, but the denial of a tradition that goes back deep into the mists of time has generated real ill-feeling.

After my extended amble I found myself at the far, Grosvenor Road End. The crowd was by now so packed that returning to my seat at the Harrod Drive End proved something of, to use the modern management idiom, a challenge. The crowd was so great that the front rows of the temporary seating were positioned at the boundary edge and the rear rows within a couple of feet of the perimeter fence in many places. Getting from one end of the ground to the other was rather akin to driving along a Somerset country lane and meeting a succession of cars coming in the opposite direction. Stopping for a chat to Somerset supporters dotted about the seating added further to the delays, as did stopping to take in some of the cricket from different angles.

The cricket itself seemed to progress at a similar rate to my walk. ‘Turgid’ some might have called it. Ten overs it took me to return to my seat. In that time Somerset added 16 runs. Goldsworthy edged one ball just fine of gully. On another day he might have edged it a trace wider and been caught. I was beginning to hope that the Lancashire supporter who had told me matches do not reach the fourth day at Southport was right, for Somerset did not seem destined for a large first innings score. Finally, back in my seat, the deed matched the thought. Lammonby attempted to play Will Williams to leg, missed, was struck on the pad and the umpire’s finger rose. Somerset were 105 for 4 and a disappointed Lammonby walked off for a hard-won 42 scored in nearly two and a half hours.

Somerset were again in familiar first innings territory and so were the anxiety levels of Somerset supporters as James Rew walked to the wicket to join Lewis Goldsworthy. Goldsworthy has shown real fighting qualities with the bat in his short career but, before this innings, had not convinced me he could dominate the bowling and make a score of real substance. As to Rew, this was his first Championship innings. Once again, Somerset were on the brink. Just under three hours later, with Rew walking back to the clubhouse, Somerset were in sight of a substantial score on a pitch that really was turgid, and on which runs had to be worked for.

Goldsworthy got the partnership, which would stretch to 145, underway with three boundaries in four overs. Goldsworthy does not have the classical look of Abell or give the impression of ease of stroke which Bartlett displays, but those three strokes were all perfectly timed. The first, a clip off Bailey with the lightest of touches sped to the fine leg boundary. The second, a check drive through extra cover seemed to have insufficient power in the stroke, but the ball reached the boundary with some ease. The third was played with the simplicity of a bat placed to await the arrival of the ball and angled to divert it safely past the slips to the boundary. There followed three overs for two runs. It was a start to the partnership which set the pattern for the rest. Small clutches of boundaries broken up by short periods of calm.

Goldsworthy’s was an innings which changed my view of him. To date, I had seen him as a fighter with the bat who could hold the line for a session or so, but who did not ‘go on’. In this innings, he controlled the rest of the day with a combination of resolute defence and incisive attack. It was an innings which should establish him in the side for some time to come. At the other end, after Goldsworthy’s boundaries, the left-handed Rew took the initiative, playing with an air of imperturbability which belied his years, although Wells missed a very sharp chance off Morley at slip. In an over, Bailey was driven through the covers to a shout of, “Shot!” and glanced fine of my seat at the Harrod Drive End. An on drive off Wood defeated the diving Croft at deep midwicket and Balderson, replacing Bailey, was glanced, again fine of my seat, to take Somerset past 150. Rew was justifying some of the praise which has been lavished upon him by those who have seen him play for the second team. A Lancashire supporter sensed the threat presented by him and Goldsworthy when he said, “We need a wicket here.” A single, cut square by Goldsworthy, brought up the fifty partnership before Rew again took the lead with a reverse paddle sweep off Morley as Vilas rotated his bowlers until a brief hiatus in the scoring eventually brought Lancashire some relief.  

Then, with tea approaching, the traditional over or two of spin before the interval was pounced upon by Goldsworthy and Rew. Morley was glanced fine for four by Goldsworthy, and Luke Wells was struck for 17 in an over, one Lancashire supporter comparing the onslaught to being assailed by the flying ants which were apparently in evidence in some parts of the ground. Perhaps the ants were only interested in Lancashire supporters, for none troubled me. In that Wells over boundaries came from a paddle sweep and an on drive from Goldsworthy and a pull from Rew followed by a neat cut for two to deep backward point. It sent Somerset supporters to tea with an extra spring in their step, a step which was already looking sprightly with the score on 191 for 4, with Goldsworthy on 58 and Rew on 40. Even the ferocity of the sun had eased slightly as the high white cloud thickened. 

The evening session began as the afternoon had ended, with Somerset on the attack. As he had before tea, Rew played the glance particularly well, finding the boundary three times, twice off the spinners. Morley was reverse swept too for four and driven off the back foot through the covers. The cover drive went straight to that small group of Somerset supporters under the tree by the Dover Road. Rew’s was an innings of real authority which could not help but draw plaudits from the Somerset supporters to whom I spoke. Another of the joys of out ground cricket is the freedom with which spectators can walk among one another between overs and, where space permits, pull up a chair for a chat before moving on.

Goldsworthy’s innings lost nothing in comparison with Rew’s. Their composure spawned an air of permanence. Together, they moved Somerset from a position of creaking jeopardy, to one where they might look towards dominance. Rew’s presence was perhaps the more striking, if only because he was an 18-year-old on debut. Goldsworthy though, only 21 himself, looked to be controlling the situation. His deflections demonstrated both perfect positioning and angling of the bat and time in hand to play the ball. Some brought neatly placed singles. One, played fine past slip off Wood, flashed towards and ran across the Harrod Drive End boundary to my left. Off Wells, in an over, he cut backward of square, drove to the off and then, off the back foot, through point, all for two. He took Somerset to 250 with a drive through the covers and a cut through the point area, both for four, both in the course of an over off Bailey, now with the new ball.

The partnership finally ended with Rew leaning slightly away from the ball and clipping Williams firmly to Bailey at midwicket. It brought a shaft of disappointment to Somerset supporters with the pair having looked so firmly in control. The disappointment did not last as thoughts of the emergence of a new Somerset player with real potential took hold. A score of 250 for 5 put a very different complexion on the game too after the fourth wicket had fallen at 105. The partnership would need to be built on though, for thoughts of a result in under four days had receded. It was difficult to remember much by way of an appeal after the first hour, and Goldsworthy and Rew had looked in control for most of their partnership. A substantial first innings score seemed essential and would need some more work yet.

Lewis Gregory, as ever, erect and looking purposeful, marched to the wicket. A short period of consolidation and a top edge into ‘no man’s land’ on the on side apart, he and Goldsworthy looked to be building another partnership. Gregory drove Balderson square for four and a thick edge, safe, followed. Goldsworthy turned Bailey to fine leg for four and, fortuitously, edged a cut off Williams over gully for the boundary which took him to 99. His century came from an altogether more accomplished stroke when he drove Balderson, again with a check drive, to the cover boundary. Goldsworthy raised his bat, the crowd broke into generous applause and Somerset supporters around the ground identified themselves by rising to their feet. From there, Somerset went quietly to the close with Goldsworthy on 103 and Gregory on 23. It was a score which I suspect most Somerset supporters would have settled for at the start of the day and would have snatched for at 105 for 4. I walked the two miles to my hotel with that spring firmly established in my step, and on my evening stroll, the beach looked all the more like Weston.

Close. Somerset 297 for 5.

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An Air Of Permanence Lancs CC1 Day 1
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Date: 18/01/2023 13:09

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Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2022 21:05

Tom Abell will not be skipper for this one as he has been chosen to lead the Lions here instead. Lewis Gregory may captain and Matt Renshaw will be back (already is it seems)

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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2022 22:19

Any one coming up for it? I hope to go to most of the game.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2022 00:11

Somerset will also be without Tom Banton, who will be keeping wicket for the Lions, and Will Smeed - both selected against South Africa at Taunton on July 12. They are certain to get a game, as both sides will be able to use their full squads of 13 players to give the South Africans match practice ahead of their series against England.

Another Taunton lad, spinner Jake Lintott, currently plying his trade as a spinner at Warwickshire, will join Smeed in making his first appearance in an England squad.

Lancashire will also be short-handed beside the seaside at Southport. They have three players - Liam Livingstone, Matthew Parkinson and Phil Salt - in the England ODI side playing India next week. Plus, of course, Jos Buttler, England`s new ODI captain, although the tide must have come in on Southport sands on many a moon (if that isn`t mixing my metaphors) since Jos last played for his county.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2022 07:24

Some red herrings, really, since only Abell and Parkinson are really of much consequence in red ball cricket anyway (and Jos never plays).

Sadly, whatever batting line-up Somerset select, one can only conclude that it is much more likely than not that our batting will be inadquate, especially the top six batting.

Realistically? Renshaw would need to score heavily.

And Hildreth (who has some runs in the current Second XI game) and Davies (who failed in the same game) would need to magically roll back the years.

I notice that Davies was used as an opener in the seconds game.... I wonder whether there's any chance that that foreshadows another experiment with Steve as first-team opener (the only experiment involving a non-overesas opener in recent years that actually worked last time around).

I note that Ned Leonard is not playing in the current seconds game, so wonder if he might be busy with exams or something or, sadly, injured?

Personally, I think we should perservere (from the last match) with Kasey Aldridge, rather than just defaulting back to Brooks. Kasey did well in the last match and does not deserve to be dropped, IMO, plus we need to start to give at least a nod to the future, don't we?

In that vein, I also note that James Rew is going well in the current seconds match.

It wouldn't totally shock me if neither Ben Green nor George Bartlett got the nod for a top six place and if Rew were instead brought into the order somewhere (possibly with Davies moving up).

Incidentally, Bartlett, like Leonard, is not even playing in the Seconds game. Yes, I know George was in the T20 squad vs Surrey but, since the seconds game is at Taunton Vale, there can surely be no doubt that, had Jason and Andy wanted George to play the seconds game, he could have done so.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2022 23:23

Leonard is injured and continues to suffer from perceived mismanagement at 2nd team level.

Surely the time has come to being George back into the 4day side, although one would note he has done little red ball batting in recent weeks



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2022 11:42

@CJM . Jos Buttler actually played a 2020 match for Lancs last week. Scored 40 odd in the losing side at Worcester. Was dropped early on but didn’t convert.

One wag on the Lancashire forum suggested that JB being appointed the one day captain would restrict his availability for Lancashire!

Livingstone hardly ever turns out for Lancashire either. I’m very sad about him. Apologies if I’m repeating, but saw him score four centuries the first six times I saw him for the seconds and two of them were necessarily very disciplined innings because of the match position. He looked a future England test player to me from the first innings I saw, a century against a very good Notts second attack on a green wicket. He even talked about not wanting to be sidelined to white ball cricket only . Scored a century in both innings of a first class match on the sub continent.

He is now as irrelevant to Lancashire cricket as JB . I was about to say that he is irrelevant to four innings cricket but I guess with the style the Test team is playing, he might actually have a chance of selection if somebody loses form . I don’t imagine I will see him play four day cricket again.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2022 13:04

Yeah, Des, few people would be greatly surprised to see the likes of Jos and Livingstone parachuted into the Test team (along with the likes of Jason Roy) in the not too distant future.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2022 14:45

If Buttler were to be appointed Lancashire's one-day captain, would that mean he would captain the country for just one day?

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2022 09:49

The one that got away. Was playing only 10 miles from Taunton 🤦‍♂️

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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2022 12:06

One wonders whether Mr Hurry even knew about his passport status?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2022 12:11

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His record is such that it would scarcely surprise were Williams to prove the knife going through the butter that is (so often) the Somerset top six.

IF England let Leachy play next week?

Maybe the hot forecast might give us a sniff if we can bat first I.e maybe the track might break up?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Underthebridge (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 00:41

Quote:
AGod
One wonders whether Mr Hurry even knew about his passport status?

We at Bridgwater knew about it in 2017 when he was here last. I would have thought Somerset might have done their homework back then since he played in at least 1 2xi match

[www.espncricinfo.com]

There again who knows

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 09:43

One also 'wonders' whether Somerset knew and made a decision one way or the other about the player - why is the assumption that Somerset do not do 'due diligence' rather than either not taking action or not being the place a player wants to go?

There's about as much evidence for either 'wonder'

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 11:31

Surely Craig and Jack will be available for this? If so, Craig may well be a candidate for skipper, I expect us to offer him much increased leadership opportunities as he slips further down the England pecking order and we perhaps have to prepare for circling scavengers if he is not centrally contracted

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 12:01

Craig?

He’s in the England ODI party.

I think those start next week?

Leachy should be available to us unless the poxy ECB mandate that he rest.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 12:40

I do agree with you, Railboy, that Craig is at risk of slipping back in the pecking order and losing his central deal. If that happens, then that will swallow up any gains that might be made (financial gains) from potentially not giving new deals to Hildreth, Brooks and Waller.

And you’re also right that TMC vultures would start to circle, of course.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 13:11

Forecast not looking anything like as hot up here as in the south. Difficult to forecast pitch at Southport . It has had a very mixed reputation in recent years . A second 11 game was abandoned as dangerous with very variable bounce in 2019, I think. Things were a bit strained with the county for a while , particularly with the Attila the Hun of diplomacy, Paul Allott getting involved. ,

It does have a reputation for spin. However, in 2011 the pitch fooled both Lancs and Notts into playing extra spinners but the match was completely dominated by seam and in particular Andre Adams. So I really wouldn’t like to guess.

I think Wasim Akram got a career best 8-30 against Somerset in 1994 there ; maybe a painful memory for some.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 17:44

Will you be supporting Lancerset, Des?

LoL

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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/07/2022 18:51

That match that Des alluded to:

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Mark Lathwell, who almost always did well on coastal grounds, did quite well for us.

But it had taken us 185 overs, 60 of them bowled by Mushy, to get Lancs out, with Crawley making an unbeaten 281.

A young Banger played in that game. A couple of years later, also against Wasim, he played a very good innings of about 80, before being run out - astonishingly for the second time in successive innings - as a result of a deflected Shane Lee drive (few players have ever played so straight so consistently as Shane).



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 08:37

Josh didn't make it to the end of the Quarter Final yesterday .. hope it was a precaution and nothing serious for Monday

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 12:56

Thanks for posting that match link AGod. I always find the Lancashire archive as torturous to navigate as most of its website.

This was posted today on Lancs Forum.

“Trafalgar Road Ground is a cricket ground in Southport, Merseyside. The first recorded match on the ground was in 1956, when the Lancashire Second XI played Cheshire in the Minor Counties Championship.

In 1959, the ground held its first first-class match when Lancashire played Worcestershire in the County Championship. From 1959 to 2017, the ground played host to 44 first-class matches, the last of which came in the 2017 County Championship between Lancashire and Middlesex.

The ground has also held List-A matches, the first of which saw Lancashire play Glamorgan in the 1969 Player's County League. From 1969 to 1987, the ground held 4 List-A matches, the last of which saw Lancashire play Scotland in the 1987 Benson and Hedges Cup.

With the first recorded match on the ground in 1956 involving the Lancashire Second XI, the ground has since held a combined total of 25 Second XI fixtures for the Lancashire Second XI in the Minor Counties Championship, Second XI Championship and Second XI Trophy.

In local domestic cricket, the ground is the home venue of Southport & Birkdale Cricket Club who play in the Liverpool & District Cricket Competition. In February 2016, the Club signed a three year staging agreement with Lancashire to host county cricket, which is believed to be the first of its kind in England and Wales.


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cricket.lancashirecricket.co.uk/news/2022-news/match-information-southport-birkdale-cricket-club/

I would also add that Dave Snellgrove, whose father Lancashire player Ken was born in Shepton Mallet is still playing for Southport and Birkdale in the ECB Liverpool premier competition. Currently they are in danger of relegation after a near miracle escape last year. At 53, though still playing for Lancashire and England over 50s, Dave now is a shadow of the player who made himself a legend of the competition. The players in the competition picked a composite team from 2000 onwards and Dave was picked both at number three and captain.

I’m not sure how much of the game I will be able to see as it is a merciless ground in sunny weather. A few years ago when I was a lot healthier than now, I was forced to spend about 20 minutes under a temporary stand where I couldn’t see anything of the game, just to have some respite from the sun.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 13:33

Tuesday looks a good day for you, Des, if the forecast is to be believed: “No sun, no sun at all,”
(As the advert says).

Tomorrow looks hot and sunny - 25 degrees, then cloudy on Tuesday and then sunny but only 18 or 19 degrees for the final two days.

Perhaps a hot day one might help the pitch deteriorate, such that we might play both VDM and Virdi?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 14:52

No Josh. Dunno whether he’s in doubt for next weekend. So a significantly weakened attack without Cove, Josh and Leachy to go with weakened batting without Abell.

James Rew is in the squad, as is George Bartlett and both spin options, VDM and Virdi.

Peter Siddle is the Captain.

No sign of Hildreth. I think somebody said he was sick vs Surrey. So maybe he still is or perhaps we’ve decided to look to the future a bit more with Rew and Aldridge both in the party. Personally, I hope Rew and Aldridge both play.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 16:10

Thought when George was on for Josh last night it was a worry but because we weren't pushed at the end of the game he may just have been rrested for the four day game. That's a bummer.

Well an interesting game ahead then with a few surprises. Hope James Rew gets a game along with George as well.

Jason Kerr has named the following 13-man squad for this match: Peter Siddle (c), Kasey Aldridge, George Bartlett, Jack Brooks, Steve Davies, Lewis Goldsworthy, Ben Green, Lewis Gregory, Tom Lammonby, Matt Renshaw, James Rew, Roelof van der Merwe and Amar Virdi.

Given that squad you have to expect
Renshaw, Lammonby, Gregory, Siddle, Virdi to play for definite. RvdM as a batting spinner?

On top of that and without mentioning James Hildreth or Marchant you would expect Jack Brooks to be in there. Steve Davies may open and they may then bring Rew in for keeper duties. Then it's a batting option (George or Lewis Goldsworthy?) and a bowling one (Ben Green or Kasey?). Maybe they won't use Steve Davies? Maybe they won't use RvdM?

Hmmmm

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 17:14

A bit surprised that James isn’t in the squad. I know he’s had a mediocre season, but thought he’d come in given the number of players we have unavailable.

Really hope he hasn’t played his last first XI game.

Nice gesture to make Peter Siddle skipper though.

As for Jack Leach being ‘unavailable’, (courtesy of the ECcool smiley, words fail me.

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 17:16

James made a 50 in a seconds game last week but I think (but don't quote me) he has been getting over a 'family' illness with his kids for a couple of weeks and he might have relapsed after the effort.

Think he would probably play if he was fit but he may not have been cleared to...

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 17:24

England won’t require Jack’ services until 17th August! And by tomorrow he won’t have bowled at all for 9 days. ECB says he needs a rest! Absurd. Wonder if Jack feels he does?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: dilly (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 17:52

Is it a blatant conspiracy, do you think, that the only two teams in the quarter-finals who have to travel hundreds of miles on the day before their Championship game were made to play their match late in the day on Saturday therefore having to travel all day on the interceding day? The other T20 teams are either playing at home on Monday or not at all. Surely we and Derbyshire should have been allowed to play their game on last Wednesday ot Thursday.
I see that yet again we are having to play our semi-final second, the other two teams having a nice rest before the final. I am not paranoid, I am not paranoid……..

Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 20:18

Yes those spinners who don't play white ball need 'a rest' during the month of predominently white ball cricket... must tire them out all that waiting....

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away next Monday
Posted by: Cleavo87 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 21:45

Quote:
AGod
No Josh. Dunno whether he’s in doubt for next weekend. So a significantly weakened attack without Cove, Josh and Leachy to go with weakened batting without Abell.
James Rew is in the squad, as is George Bartlett and both spin options, VDM and Virdi.

Peter Siddle is the Captain.

No sign of Hildreth. I think somebody said he was sick vs Surrey. So maybe he still is or perhaps we’ve decided to look to the future a bit more with Rew and Aldridge both in the party. Personally, I hope Rew and Aldridge both play.

Ben Warren on Somerset Podcast I have listened to tonight said Josh has hamstring problem but they are hoping that it is just tightness. He may therefore be sitting this one out as a precaution.

I do wonder whether we are looking to the future. Hildreth played in 2nd XI last week so one would assume he is fit and available. Think Kasey will keep his place given how well he bowled in the last CC game v Surrey. Would also like to see Rew make debut but as batter only. Maybe at 6 or 7.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 21:56

There was mention of the illness that had hit James and family at the end of the week before last returning at the game yesterday but there seemed to be uncertainty about what it was and whether it had hit the whole family again. So who knows.... suppose we'll see in the next game at home in just over a week.

Until then it is good for this side to start to work without the concept of a Hildreth safety net though as we are all well aware iyt hasn't exactly been much of one this season or last to be perfectly honest. Hope it isn't his last game or his last contribution as a servant to the club - he has been a formidable one for many years

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 23:40

Lancashire include 18-year-old left-arm seamer Josh Boyden, who only signed a professional contract last week, in their 15-man squad:

Vilas (c), Bailey, Balderson, Bohannon, Boyden, Croft, Hartley, Hurt, Jennings, Jones, Lamb, Morley, Wells, Williams, Wood.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2022 23:57

I'd leave out Brooks and Davies.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 11:23

Good to see James Rew in as a bat. Good to see George getting a go. Can't understand the 'resting' of Jack Leach by the ECB but welcome to Mr Virdi as well.

Steve Davies did open but unfortunately not for long.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 12:05

Seems the Virdi loan is just 1 game so maybe there isn't a plan other than to fill that place left by Jack's enforced absence.

Roland Butcher can't understand why we didn't play a 'youngster' instead... well Roland we are playing 'youngsters' this is because the ECB won't ket us play our first team spinner for little or no apparent reason

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike K (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 12:41

Very impressed by the livestream picture quality

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 12:46

Damn George! That was a shame with Tom L and him batting well on a pitch with something in it

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 12:56

So we have 5 players on ECB related absence, Lancashire a not dissimilar number. I wonder, across the full board of today’s CC fixtures, how many players are missing due to ECB dictat? And by very nature, these will be the best players, and then people have the bare faced nerve to say that the CC isn’t good enough!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 13:27

Well exactly, Railboy.

Very annoying that George seemed to lose concentration when the spinner came on as had been doing a decent job Vs the seamers.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 13:28

I see Harmer has 3 wickets in the first morning, again. (Sm111)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 13:46

Well George did a bit more than Steve Davies did so hopefully he has moved up. This is very much a 'who fancies the veteran positions' side with Lewis Jr, George and James Rww getting starts.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 14:20

Quote:
Tumbles
I see Harmer has 3 wickets in the first morning, again. (Sm111)

Make that 5

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 15:56

A really good afternoon for Somerset - a pity George lost out, but always good to see young players scoring runs for the county. Whisper it quietly, but we're in danger of getting batting points here...

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 15:57

Good afternoon session from Lewis Jr and James Rew - think these two are in your red ball middle order from now on to be honest

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 15:57

I am happy with the score @ tea, it is an improvement on what we normally do in the first innings.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 15:57

Don’t think there’s much in this for the bowlers, as yet. We shall hopefully pick up a reasonable haul of batting bonus points, which would make a refreshing change.

Hopefully today’s hot weather will help the track deteriorate for VDM and Virdi.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 16:06

James Rew looks very composed. I think that we will see a lot more of him in Somerset colours.

Meanwhile, James Hildreth is 78 not out at tea for the Seconds (and Mason Crane has bowled seven overs for 57 runs).

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike K (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 16:25

Well done James, terrific stuff

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: MisterMurph (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 16:30

Commentator really doesn't like Essex, does he...

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 16:52

Quote:
MisterMurph
Commentator really doesn't like Essex, does he...

I think more people are becoming aware of their 'home' tactics

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 17:16

So the suggested return of the Hildreth illness seems not to.have been the reason he is not in Southport unless it stopped him travelling. Good to see him getting 2 decent cumulative scores over the half ton

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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 17:26

Well played James Rew

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike K (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 18:02

Well batted Lewis a well deserved century

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 18:02

Brilliant knock from Lewis Jr... really mature innings

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 18:21

Delighted to see the landmarks for two young batsmen. Apart from my delight for them, from a selfish point of view, should give a bit of confidence for the batting for my visit next week .

Also re TL, I’ve been critical at times but he looked very compact today.

To answer LOL’s question from the other day, I felt like I was supporting Somerset. Apart from my disillusionment with the Lancashire establishment over the last few years, I find the team not dislikeable but very non box office . I find it very difficult to identify with a three year contract for a no doubt worthy but unexciting New Zealander around age 30.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 18:23

Very very well done Lewis Goldsworthy, I couldn't be more delighted. He made an excellent impression last September and pity he wasn't a regular at the start of this season. A player we need to keep for a long time

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 18:27

A pleasing day with the bat thanks, chiefly, to Goldsworthy - who followed his maiden 50 in the last match, with a maiden ton here and from Rew with an excellent debut 75. As Anthony said, it could very easily have gone pear-shaped from 105/4 and - as he implied - with us it usually does! So excellent resilience from Lewis and James.

Not a lot in this for the bowlers, yet, so we need these two and VDM to put on plenty more tomorrow to try and ensure that we don’t come under significant pressure during our second innings. That said, not sure how strong the Lancs spin bowling resources are for this one and also not 100% sure whether we’ve picked two spinners because we really expect it to turn a good deal or because we think it will basically be flat but spinners will be the only ones that will be good bets to get something out of it.

This game would be a good one for Gregory to fire in with the ball.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 19:07

What a great effort by Lewis Goldsworthy and James Rew.

From a position of 16/2, with Renshaw & Davies back in the hut, we could so easily have folded, as so often has been the case in recent times. So to see Tom L & George B steady the ship, followed by the tremendous effort by Lewis and James, really is a massive boost, as well as being extremely positive for the future.

Haven't felt so good about a batting scorecard for quite some time.

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 19:40

Superb stuff from Goldsworthy and Rew, proper quality batting. A thoroughly enjoyable days play, somewhat tarnished by testing positive for Covid this morning. Stay safe everyone, this isn't fun.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 20:22

Sorry to hear that OG.

Was thinking of going tomorrow but sold out apparently. I haven’t been a member at Lancs for six or seven years now.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 20:40

Very sorry to hear of our positive testing, Big Jim. I hope the symptoms won't be too uncomfortable for you, but you now have an excuse to do absolutely nothing for the next few days but sit and watch the streaming of Somerset's demolition of Lancashire, followed by total domination on T20 Finals Day.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 21:03

Think we are finding our core of the next side. Not both openers - though Tom Lammonby is starting to click into place. Think Lewis Jr is the 4 and Tom Banton (who has worked hard this year) and James Rew are the 5 and 6 though personally I think Rew could open

Is George the other opener when we don't have an international? It isn't Ben Green so either James can step up if not George or we still have an issue at 1. George looked in charge today except for the lapse in concentration that lost him his wicket

But it's getting there - still though potential needs to be replaced by performance. Today wasn't a bad start

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Flyboy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 21:15

Only saw the last session but allow me to confirm some previous comments, not many places to hide from the sun at Southport. Even so, tomorrow should be fun

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 21:17

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa
Very sorry to hear of our positive testing, Big Jim. I hope the symptoms won't be too uncomfortable for you, but you now have an excuse to do absolutely nothing for the next few days but sit and watch the streaming of Somerset's demolition of Lancashire, followed by total domination on T20 Finals Day.

I consider that an order, which I shall hopefully carry out to the letter.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 21:23

Wishing you well BJ, hope you’re over it soon.

PS top innings from Goldsworthy today, great to see youngsters like him, Rew, Bartlett and Lammonby playing well.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 21:49

I see Ollie Sale took his promotion to Somerset Seconds captain with some aplomb against Hampshire Seconds at Taunton Vale today - seven sixes and 11 fours in a score of 97, batting at no.8, in a Somerset total of 460-9.

Others in the 80 included James Hildreth (86) and Welsh wicket-keeper/batsman William Smale (87), who has also had trials with Glo`shire, Derbyshire and Warwickshire.

Another trialist to look promising was 21-year-old batter Richard Xavier Clarke, who notched 77 today after scoring a century against Glamorgan Seconds last month.

Good batting day all-round.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 22:10

Take it easy Owain... you don't need that thing long term

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 11/07/2022 23:37

Yep, get well soon OG.

I prescribe copious amounts of ‘live stream’ therapy.

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 05:29

What a fab day 1 👍👍👍
Good sprinkling of Somerset fans.
Probably less than many away games but it's 250 miles from Taunton so a big thumbs up to all who have made the effort.

Very healthy crowd for a 4 day game.
No alcohol allowed is very poor for a red ball game, full.on bag searches so over the top.
Crazy queues at 11am getting in, many missed the first 2 wickets in silly queues halfway back to Southport!!!

Minimal facilities in the ground, one burger van, one public bar & 4 portaloo's.....
But all the same, love a festival. Chairs on the boundary edge, very intimate, very little officious stewarding, pretty much allowed to roam everywhere.

Batting was superb. It was doing plenty first up, George & Lammers really got their heads down and got us safely through most of the toughest part of the day.
Little Lewis was superb, calm, solid, compact, just ideal inning for the conditions.
Rew equally looked so assured, for an 18yr old school kid, we have a proper talent on our hands here.

If the rumours of Banton to Warwick's are true then in red ball especially I think Mr Rew & TKC are going to end up more than adequate replacements 👍👍

Roll on day 2, 21/22c forecast ☀️☀️

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 08:18

Yes, BJ, take it easy the infection only last for days, but people still do not feel 100% for quite a while.

The high temperatures we are getting will not help with breathing problems.

Back to the match, it cheered me up yesterday seeing an 18 & 21-year-old doing so well, the future is bright.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 09:12

5, CC matches yesterday is in their second innings, that make Somerset score look even better.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 09:35

Its kind of raining in southport...

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 09:40

Wall to wall high cloud cover in Southport this morning. Local forecast suggesting possibility of patchy rain this afternoon.

Outstanding yesterday from Lewis Goldsworthy and James Rew. Crucial knock from Tom Lammonby and another from Lewis Gregory to help Goldsworthy get us to the close.

During the Goldsworthy Rew partnership, I actually heard an opposition supporter say, "We need a wicket."

A day of Somerset joy.

Farmer

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:01

Great to hear of Farmer’s day of Somerset joy. I look forward to the report which I’m sure will rival Paul Edwards’ who I believe was signing his book on the ground yesterday.

WSM ; pleased to hear it was more enjoyable in the ground. I had heard from Lancashire members that it was a shambles getting in even for members but it is what we are used to in Lancashire .

A friend came up with a ticket for me last night but this morning I have an awful cough so don’t think it would be fair to be in a crowded ground. Haven’t got any tests left ; wouldn’t be surprised if it was my third Covid.

OG, I command you to follow the advice of the others. It has been found to be a major factor in Long Covid even in those who didn’t have Covid severely, that they did not rest and that was certainly true in my case.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: themaclad (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:08

[redrosefans.proboards.com]

This is our thread for the game

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:18

I do hope you haven't got a third Covid, Des.

Sorry to hear about yours too, BJ. I'm now negative, but still somewhat below par - rather like LoL's golf. I'm sure you know how much he loves golf and how much he will be glued to the St Andrews tv coverage.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:47

Cheers for the kind words everyone, it's really appreciated. Seems like Gregory had enough of the go slow stuff, probably the most predictable fall of wicket ever.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:48

I think Gregory was going for the next batting point.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 11:52

Quote:
Mike TA1
I think Gregory was going for the next batting point.

Without doubt

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 12:08

IF we’re “right,” in our implied assumption (implied by our team selection) that the pitch will deteriorate, then there’s nowt wrong with a go-slow… stay in as long as possible, giving the bowlers more chances to create rough.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 12:13

Gloucesters are going to lose.

We could really do with somebody winning the Kent Vs Northants game, rather than a high-scoring draw. Few will be surprised to hear that Zak Crawley has already failed at the start of the Kent innings.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Flyboy (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:01

Pretty happy with that, continue Brooks please

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:05

Aye, a good morning, that pitch does look pretty docile though. Hopefully it will deteriorate as the match goes on. We can but hope.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:09

As you said OG

Bat until you stop and then hope they collapse and we get amongst them twice seems to be the way to try and win this

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:12

Both spinners will need to Bowl tightly because Lewis Gregory hasn’t really been in red ball bowling form and it’s hard to see Jack Brooks keeping it tight on this. I hope Peter doesn’T decide to overbowl himself.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:15

Well let's undersell it all before it starts shall we? There's an unusual move!!

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:41

Nice to be able to wander around on the outfield and take a look at the pitch....looks like there are a few rough patches, i guess from the footmarks.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: MisterMurph (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:50

Did we get to 350 after 110?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 13:52

Nope we were 351 at the end of the 111th

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 14:24

Handy knock from RVDM, at least putting ourselves into a position where we shouldn't be losing this.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 14:56

Yeah, realistically, Grockle, If a Somerset side with poor batting form and a poor composite average racks up 400+? The implication is that either:

A) The oppo bowling is hopeless as per Warks (OHD apart)

OR

b) It’s a pitch loaded in favour of the bat.

The Lancs bowling didn’t look “hopeless,” to me. You?

Hence I think that we need our spinners to bowl tightly because, even if the track starts to take turn, I don’t think it will be yet.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 15:01

This ISNT the Somerset side 'with poor batting form'

The opening partnership is different (still an issue if Renshaw does not fire but Lammonby is more than he was when he's back and I wouldn't have picked Steve Davies)
The middle order is very different and has not been used before. It may be the solution to the 'poor form'
Back end is the back end - it usually hits something

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 15:16

I see Ollie Robinson, the Kent keeper batsman, is looking into a move.

I think we should try for him. If Rew Goes to uni? He will miss half the county season for the next 3 years!? Davies? Busted flush, I’m afraid. Batting dreadful this year.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 15:18

Is Gregory injured? Or just demoted from the new ball in favour of Brooks?

Peter S feeling mean with his own bowling!!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 15:28

He is bowling isn't he? He went for 4 off an over?

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 15:35

Is now. Wasn’t watching só posted based on scorecard from a while ago.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 16:23

I have switched to the Taunton match for a while. England, are doing well, they have just lost their second wicket,
Will Smeed 80 not out.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 16:28

Yep - there's a thread for it Mike

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 16:45

Peter: Please bowl yourself sparingly! You are essential for Saturday.

Realistically? You need Wasim, Waqar and Mushtaq or Holding, Marshall, Roberts and Garner to get many wickets on this *road*

Please conserve your energies!!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 16:53

I know there is Grockle, I am listening to the Taunton match and watching this match.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 17:17

Hard work indeed.

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 17:25

Does it have 'DRAW' written all over it yet?

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 17:39

IF we keep it tight (hence my earlier point).

We must stay “on it.” If not? They could, conceivably, bat well past us.. and put us under pressure on Thursday..

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 17:58

Virdi’s 5 overs less than stellar.

The fact he made 15 unbeaten was one of the warnings re:flatness of pitch.

Looks like we should have picked either Aldridge or an additional batsman?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 19:03

Its obviously been hard work for the bowlers out there today, but who knows what tomorrow brings? An enjoyable game so far, I really like the venue, makes a very pleasant change.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 21:09

Apparently, at today’s game, Lancs members were asked whether they accept the Execrable Cricket Board’s (the worst governing body that has ever been seen or will ever be seen of any sport anywhere in the world, ever) preference to reduce next season to only 10 CC games. The Lancs County Cricket Board wanted to gauge spectators’ views.

Will Gordon Hollins and co even bother to ask before (I imagine) rushing to give support to Hollins’ former employers?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 21:27

They should ask EVERY county at CC games.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/07/2022 21:31

It’s a fair question AG. I actually asked it via e-mail to GH a couple of months ago, but received no reply.

It would be nice to think GH would show at least some respect for members and ask for input in line with the Lancs. initiative.

In reality, I doubt anyone will know anything about SCCC’s stance until sometime after it has been conveyed to the ECB.

Which is pretty sad really.

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 11:26

Good start, a few more before lunch would make it very interesting.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Hayseed (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 11:54

I'm not sure if you're referring to the same thing but some lancs fans from the Lancashire cc Action Group were handing out leaflets yesterday encouraging lancs supporters to oppose the proposed reduction in cc games... So it wasn't so so much lancs cc asking for views it was a lancs supporters group trying to organise opposition and get fans voices heard. As the above comments and many others have shown individuals don't seem to provoke much of a reaction from our board at least maybe an organised group will have more luck...

Hayseed III

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 12:41

Has Anthony Gibson never heard of Arthur Shrewsbury? His father would be ashamed of him.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 13:05

Maybe I should send him my copy of "Give Me Arthur", an excellent read.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 13:07

I’d be tempted to make Amar Virdi Bowl for the rest of today, from one end, since we cannot afford any injuries ahead of Saturday and really don’t want to flog our seamers into the ground.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 14:45

LoL, Give me Arthur. Said by you know who.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 15:01

If there were any doubt at the time?

One can see, now, that there is little question that, well though Goldsworthy and Rew did, it was still the case that four members of our top six did nothing like well enough given how flat the track is.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 15:18

Fifth-rate Warks rushing headlong to another defeat.

They stay in the “relegation hunt.”

Speaking of which? Zero of three bowling bonus points won’t do us many favours.

Whether somebody will win Kent Vs Northants remains unclear.

Gloucs, of course, got thrashed and are surely doomed.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 17:05

Quote:
AGod
If there were any doubt.... flat the track is.

Not quite AG.

Even Lancs people were saying the plan at Southport was put them in and get them out while there was life.

The analysts on Monday were saying there was movement early on Day 1 and that Lammonby and Bartlett were probably the reason Somerset got a decent front end score their partnership lasted longer than the movement and then Rew, Goldsworthy, Gregory and RvdM capitalised.

So 4 of the top 6 and 6 of the top 8 did their job... a distinct improvement on earlier games. Though only progress if it happens more than once

(Sm72)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 17:34

I didn't see very much movement, personally.

A pre-match plan and what actually happens are not necessarily the same thing... Lancs might have hoped there'd be plenty of movement, but I don't believe much materialised.

Equally, of course, our pre-match assumption was, presumably, that the pitch would be at its best for batting on in the first half of the match... I don't know that the pitch has suddenly become markedly flatter.. perhaps it's just got even slower, but I have yet to see much in this track, at any point, for bowlers of any type.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 17:42

And the obvious worry, now, is that our batting - even on a road - may prove insufficiently resilient, second time around.

On paper, Lancs' spin options are NOT intimidating, but after an overly long spell in the field and with relatively few members of the top six with any real recent form behind them*, then it would scarcely surprise if we struggle to see out the draw with conviction.

I assume Lancs will bat on until about 45 minutes before lunch tomorrow, giving them two bites with the new ball, either side of lunch tomorrow. They could realistically hope to have a lead of 250 or so by then, meaning that it would be very unlikely that - IF losing wickets, we would then score enough runs to make them bat again.

The other way would be a hyper-aggressive declaration, very early tomorrow, with a lead of "only," 160 or so and the expectation - even if their bowling went well - of batting again to knock off x or y runs.

* Renshaw no FC 50 since 12 May vs Gloucs

Davies no runs all season, really

Lammonby, last first-class game before this one was more than one month ago, when he failed twice vs Surrey

Bartlett, hasn't play first-team all season before this one.

(so not exactly a group of form horses!!)



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 17:53

We batted well enough overall in our first innings, but I do wish we’d pushed earlier and harder for the fourth bonus point.

Points make prizes, as Mr Forsyth used to say. (And help in relegation battles !).

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 17:56

I am glad for his sake that Virdi took a fine catch, but his bowling has not been impressive, for which he can hardly be blamed. But I note that in similarly good batting conditions at the Oval Dom Bess took five wickets today. Come back to where you belong, please, DB.

And now Virdi has taken another good catch.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:04

We've got them on the run now. Total collapse!

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:08

With hindsight, LoL, it's rather unsurprising that a guy who - to the best of my knowledge hasn't been picked for any first-team games this season - has not been able to instantly turn it on.

Of course, we must have been hoping/expecting that the track would offer significant turn........... and even a spinner with no form behind him could potentially do well in such conditions. Said conditions have, however, failed to really materialise early enough to help us.

If we'd had Leachy instead of Virdi? Perhaps we would have limited Lancs to parity or thereabouts.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:12

Well the analysis must all be wrong because YOU didn't see much movement? For once the questiom arrives? "We're you there?

Because the three people I heard talk about it all were and movement might be easier to discern live sometimes rather than on the livestream?

It's why Ant Gibs is peeved about being to the side in CC games at Taunton... better to see it live it seems rather than refer to the livestream.....

Anyway I'll go with them as they are also less biased towards the issue of our batting line up at the same time.... even though 2 of them were Lancs voices.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:15

Renshaw's action that he's using now is *hideous* even more unattractive than Root in terms of how round-armed he is!!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:21

Hayseed at 1154. Your theory sounds far more like it to me. I can’t imagine Lancashire asking members that sort of question. They would get some very rude answers. It would go against all the culture of Lancashire to ask such a question as well. Members have been a nuisance at Lancashire for years, hence the Lancashire Action Group who do some good work.

I really hope that Lancashire are not rewarded for this pitch with a Somerset collapse tomorrow. I know all about the argument that bowlers should have to earn the wickets if they’re ever going to be Test players, but this is too far the other way. To me this pitch is more fine worthy than the Chelmsford examples and certainly more than the Taunton one.

Grateful for the combination of circumstances that have stopped me going ; ps thanks for your good wishes Bobstan. Tested negative but pretty bad cough and throat.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:22

"Because the three people I heard talk about it all were and movement might be easier to discern live sometimes rather than on the livestream?"

Given that the cameras are placed pretty much directly behind the arm and no people are allowed to sit directly behind the arm at a ground , unless at an extremely elevated level, (not possible at Southport!!) then I consider that to be a logical impossibility.

If you're not behind the arm or very, very close to it? You're reduced to drawing inferences about movement from the "shape," and reactions of the batsmen as opposed to seeing the ball deviate (unless the movment is hugely lavish, which it really wasn't).

That said, even if reduced to drawing such inferences, one could ask the question as to how often were Bartlett and Lammonby actually beaten during their innings? I don't recall it happening with any great frequency. Certainly, I think it's very obvious that George will have been bitterly disappointed with the manner of his demise - almost reacting in slow motion to a very full ball from the spinner.

p.s The reason that Anthony will be unhappy at being "moved to the side," as you put it is surely because he knows full well that it's much easier, when live, to judge movement from a position as close as possible to behind the arm, than from his position that he has been moved to. I know he's also unhappy about his position vis-a-vis the sun for the T20s, but that's a different issue.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 18:23

Yes, Des, today has *not* made for compelling cricket, I'm afraid. The Bazball lot would, I guess, be happy, with Lancs making something like 460 or so runs in the day. I guess the home crowd will also have been happy, but I do not think a neutral would have found much interest in today's proceedings.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 23:23

The fact our lads had to toil so hard, probably reflects well on the Lancs bowlers, particularly the Bridgy ‘Kiwi’ Williams, who was relentlessly probing in my opinion

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2022 23:55

I have enjoyed 3 great days at Southport.

But as ever it appears I need only have read Agods posts to gain the real view on what happened.

How silly of me to waste a 450 mile round trip 🙈

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 08:14

Lancashire, had two options, one - declare with a good lead hoping to get Somerset out, given Lancs a small target to get. Two – bat once with a large lead, hoping to get Somerset out.

The second option could help Somerset achieve a draw, those draw points Somerset need.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 09:30

It’s ironic that, in a total of 624-9, two of our bowlers achieved career-best analyses.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 10:03

Also strange is the way that cricket defines “career-best analyses.”

For example, I bet Roelof has had some games, before, when he took 4-50 or 3-40 or similar but 5-160 odd is implied to be somehow better by dint of the fact that, by convention, we are bound to call it “a career best.” And yet bowlers, conventionally, are judged by their average.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 11:17

Said by the poster who lives and dies by the stats if they confirm his assessment of a position whatever other factors may exist/influence it. 🤔😁👍

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 11:58

I’m really glad you had a great three days WSM. I’ll be making a similar length trip to Taunton next week where I will be hoping for some better balanced cricket. I’m dreading the heat , however.

I’ve got to say that I have no regrets over not travelling 20 miles. Admittedly I’m feeling like death warmed up but I really hope as I said yesterday that Lancashire are not rewarded for this pitch. Come on Somerset!

I haven’t seen a lot of Renshaw but what I have seen doesn’t impress me at all.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:06

Oh dear. Guess that could be the end of Davies for some time. I just hope people don’t expect miracles of Rew with the bat if he’s going to have to keep as well.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:13

Renshaw not mustering a great score in either innings, which is a particularly bad outcome given the runs scored on this pitch. Now up to the others and the the tail to save this one in what should have been a nailed on draw

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:27

All very sadly predictable, I'm afraid.

We are getting truly abysmal value from that new contract that was, fairly recently, given to Steve Davies. As far as I’m concerned, he should be axed.

Poor stuff from Renshaw in the second innings here, as well.

Bartlett, I’m afraid, seems somewhat likely to be released at season’s end. Not picked all season. Picked here only because of two absentees. And not enough runs to keep his place for the next game .. in which case this may, sadly, prove his final CC appearance. Could he save himself in the 50-over? How much store would management put by performances Vs bowlers who will largely be second team type players?



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:39

Des - What has become of Blatherwick, who looked so good Vs Somerset last season?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:44

He was injured for a short time but has certainly been back playing for seconds recently. That’s the Lancashire way. We wasted a year of Livingstone in the second team when he was clearly ready for what would have been a season of second division cricket. I don’t blame that for what’s happened to Livingstone in the last couple of years where he has fallen prey to pub cricket hubris.

Back to Blatherwick, I was really disappointed by the three-year contract for William Williams but again, that is the modern way.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 12:55

Yeah, it’s a shame if he’s not getting opportunities, assuming (of course) that his form upon return from injury has been presentable.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: somerset blue (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:00

Very harsh on Bartlett, who looked very assured in the 1st innings, and needs a run of games. If he leaves it will because he chooses to go elsewhere.

Quote:
AGod
All very sadly predictable, I'm afraid.
We are getting truly abysmal value from that new contract that was, fairly recently, given to Steve Davies. As far as I’m concerned, he should be axed.

Poor stuff from Renshaw in the second innings here, as well.

Bartlett, I’m afraid, seems somewhat likely to be released at season’s end. Not picked all season. Picked here only because of two absentees. And not enough runs to keep his place for the next game .. in which case this may, sadly, prove his final CC appearance. Could he save himself in the 50-over? How much store would management put by performances Vs bowlers who will largely be second team type players?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:04

Management clearly don’t have faith or he would have already had a run of games. As a replacement for two guys who were with the Lions here then he needed plenty of runs on a road to have a shot at keeping his place. Yes, he started out well in the first innings, but then gave it away when set, through a lapse of concentration
, and then failed in the second innings. So.. one suspects he would need injuries and/ or other international calls to have a shot at further CC games this season..

I suppose IF it gets announced that Banton is off to Warks then maybe TB would be dropped and then Bartlett might get a last chance, I guess.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:09

I've seen Tom L get out to reverse sweeps more than once this season but NOT a second attempt after the first wasn't responsible.

As Justin Langer used to say... if you can hit the normal straight shot then why risk reversing? Tom CAN but doesn't.... no thought in a difficult position. It should be a gamble shot to a bad ball NOT your 'go to' shot is a position where your wicket is more important than the run!!

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:19

Infected with a white ball mindset. It’s the curse of modern cricket, I’m afraid.

The idea of patiently taking what the bowler gives you seems anathema to the vast majority of modern players. Same is a big reason why averages of 35+, let alone 40+, have become much rarer than they once seemed to be. Yet this is deemed “progress.” It is NOT.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:37

Tom Lammonby has signed up for Bazball. If you don't get out playing a shot, they play the same one next ball. The process of throwing your wicket away reminds me of the Ben Stokes test dismissal.

Regarding George Bartlett, I feel sorry for the guy. Byrom was in a similar situation, went to Glamorgan and opened making 144 yesterday. Bartlett will probably only make the 50 over competition now if all the youngsters are not available. Is Hildreth playing the 50 over?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 14:53

Grockle 1409 and AGod 1419; completely agree . Root has something to answer for here. I think I may have said on here recently but it may have been on Lancs forum,I believe the reward/risk equation will very rarely favour a reverse sweep or a ramp shot in proper cricket.

God, I hate the way modern cricket is going. But then I hate modern life so no surprise there. And, yes I would gladly do without this device I am typing on.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:08

Good resistance from these two so far, anyway.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:10

In this game the onus is on the bowlers to take wickets.

There is no impetus for us to score runs. I've no problem with a well played ramp or reverse sweep when you are being tied down and need surprise runs. There is NO other need for the suprise shot at all.

Why take risks and give your wicket away when the resulting runs are totally irrelevant?

Looks like age doesn't give you knowledge if present evidence is to be referred to!!

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:12

"Bartlett will probably only make the 50 over competition now if all the youngsters are not available. Is Hildreth playing the 50 over?"

I think he's very likely to get a go in the 50 over?

I mean?

No Abell, Banton, Smeed or Lammonby?

BUT.... I think it's hard to really move up in management's estimation given that most of the oppo's best bowlers will be engaged in appalling franchise rubbish?



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:20

Green, Goldsworthy, Thomas, Drissell, Renshaw and Rew will be in the 50 over? If so someone is not making the cut

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:43

Drissell? He plays for Durham!! And he’s a spinner?

Also: Don’t forget … every time an utterly worthless franchise loses a player to injury? They will steal another player from a county.

A guy like Greener, for example, might get signed in those circumstances - and all the more so should he go well on Saturday!?



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 15:59

IF we can cling on for a draw, then we will - at least - gain some ground on hapless Warks.

I think we will lose further ground on Kent and Northants, though, with the South Midlands county being saved by two overseas batsmen here on short deals, Rickelton and Neesham.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 16:10

Hmmm… not sure Gregory will try to block? (Although he should).

VDM Is, arguably, not much better at blocking than MDL!? So… Possibly if we get to him he should try to play his natural game in the hope we can make Lancs bat again, thus removing 2 of the remaining minimum 28 overs from the equation?

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 16:53

Awful giveaway from Gregory

Really, really poor.

If they mess this up, the others - bar Rew - should be buying Goldsworthy all of his beer for the rest of the season.

Older players need to be looking in a mirror and asking themselves how it it is that the team’s two youngest members appear able to concentrate and bat according to the team’s needs and then many of the rest appear to have serious “focus,” issues.



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Owain Glyndwr (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 17:44

Glad we decided to make it an exciting final day, hats off to the lads for that.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 17:47

Well, that was stressful - perhaps unnecessarily so - but ultimately a crucial draw.

Chapeau - as we cycling fans say - to Messrs Goldworthy and Rew, without whom we'd have probably lost. But it's a shame that the ECB ensured Abell, Banton, Overton and Leach were unavailable...

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Mike K (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:10

Terrific from Lewis Goldsworthy and James Rew throughout the match. Good result in the end especially as Kent lost

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:18

Thank heavens for the performances of Goldsworthy and Rew.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:21

The Kent loss means we’re a net 18 points from safety as opposed to the 20 that we were before this round

Yorkshire might be about to lose too, which could put them into the “relegation hunt.”

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:24

Far too much hyperbole as ever, draw never really in doubt. Lots of gutsy batting and postives to take.

On we go, more points to gain.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:29

That’s an absolutely tremendous effort by Lewis Goldsworthy. James Rew also on his debut. RvdM can walk tall as well.

Really glad we didn’t fold in this, especially after another dodgy start.

As for Tom L’s reverse sweep, let’s just say right shot, wrong tournament and most definitely not the right time !

Go get a couple of tons on Saturday now Tom !

Grizzers

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 18:36

Just got in from some business ; delighted with the young players even though it means Lancs less likely to win championship. Think it could have been a catastrophic blow to morale to lose here.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 19:51

Nailsea_Fizz - I like your attitude!!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 22:01

So do I. Goldsworthy obviously the Player of the Match, given how limited has been his experience compared with that of Jennings.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2022 22:19

He was our MVP by a considerable margin but the grit of Rew in the second innings also impressed me... he kept to the job and fought to stay in when it wasn't comfortable to do so.

(Sm72)

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Whome (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2022 12:20

Apparently Jim Troughton when speaking to Anthony Gibson stated that the three batsmen with most potential in Somerset side were Lammonby, Goldsworthy and Rew. This week has seen this come to fruition with two of them and Lammers we know he’s got it, just wish he knew!

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: mama mia (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2022 14:03

Just back from Southport, how wonderful to go to an out ground. Would like to say a big thank you to all the staff at Southport Cricket Club for making us feel so welcome. ait was great to see the future of Somerset on display.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2022 21:05

Glad to hear that MM . Let’s hope it’s not the last time there.

I must admit my bias is towards Liverpool rather than Southport. I remember when Hampshire played at Liverpool in 2000, the Liverpool Echo speculating that Shane Warne might be the last of the all time great players to play a first class game there, given the way the stars were already disappearing from the Ciunty Championship by then. Probably not far off correct though some of you could argue that Trescothick and Hildreth played there in 2011 and 2012 .
Trescothick was certainly a very significant Test player if not an all-time great.

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2022 08:15

Will never forget Hildreth and Kieswetter contriving a run-out, whilst going for an *all-run four* whilst *following-on* at Liverpool. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............

Re: Lancashire CC1 away Monday
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2023 00:23

Reports for the record:

Day 1: An air of permanence

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[farmerwhite.co.uk]


Day 2: "This might not be too bad for Lancs"

Link to report:

[farmerwhite.co.uk]


Day 3: Keaton Jennings 318

Link to report:

[farmerwhite.co.uk]


Day 4: Pure Goldsworthy

Link to report:

[farmerwhite.co.uk]

Farmer

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